Re: [CTRL] Bush's Fund-Raising Opens Huge Disparity

1999-07-27 Thread John Szocik

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Does anyone else get the impression that the Presidentcy goes to the one with
the most campaign money?
I can't help believing that Bush "raised" this huge amount in record time
without the "more than generous" contributions from big corporations who
just, just may want something in return should he be elected. I mean, c'mon!
This is so obvious,the big business boys and those who really do control the
country,ie:Federal Reserve,CFR,and all those other self-serving organizations
who really don't give a damn about the people of this country or the world
for that matter.
I implore all who plan to vote in the coming election to please, please
research this spoiled brat before you throw your vote away and let the
so-ccalled government deprive us of more of our constitutional rights, and
take us as individuals, deeper in debt to the banks that control this
country. We are headed deeper into the scam the government sucked us into
when they let the money minting fall into ,private hands,and out of
government control.( Look it up! The Federal Reserve Bank is not Federal,
it's a PRIVATE run organization!)
By electing Bush, you allow them to continue to take away more and more from
American citizens.Just look at this guys record, I mean really do some
research, then ask yourself if this guy belongs in the Whitehouse! He should
not even be let in as a guest or visitor!
If none of the other candidates agree with you, then "write in" your own
choice. Show the powers that be that we will not stand for their scams
anymore. We don't want pre-selected candidates from these "behind the scenes"
scam artists!
Do yourself and the rest of the country some justice, 'cause you won't get it
from the goverment, THINK hard this time before election day!
Thanks for your time and cooperation!
JOHN

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Re: [CTRL] Bush's Fund-Raising Opens Huge Disparity

1999-07-05 Thread Amelia Edgeman

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Under martial law would not the sitting president remain in office until the
"emergency" passed?  I think that he would possibly do so.  If not, the
theory that Clinton aspires to be the next Secretary-General of the UN just
sticks in my mind.  He will have already passed the power on to himself in
that regard.
Amelia


- Original Message -
From: Teo One Thousand [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush's Fund-Raising Opens Huge Disparity


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 In a message dated 7/2/99 9:00:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 writes:

  What you say here is true, the electorate is stupid, they believe the
   morons on the TV news and the prattle in the newspapers.  They will
never
   believe that little Bush Jr is a rat bastard from a nest of rat
bastards
 and
   we will get to see how Hitler came to power, but this time it will be
the
   Bush boy in control.  Your boy Clinton will do everything in his power
to
  see
   that Bush is elected, just as Bush Sr. threw the election for Clinton,
then
   never uttered a word during Clinton's administration.  Question now is
will
   Bush continue the Socialist agenda to promote the Fascist takeover of
the
   country, or will he just come out in the open with draconian measures
to
   directly cancel freedoms we still have?
 
   Best Regards,
   Bob Stokes
 

 Good observations.  Your last question is quite pertinent.  Her will not
be
 in office until AFTER Y2K so that can't be an excuse for HIM to enact the
 draconian fascist state that we are fast becoming, but if Clinton does the
 man a favor and declares martial law before hand then all bets are off.  I
 see no reason for him to let up and slyly follow the covert agenda of his
 predecessors.  There is NO effective opposition, more control programs and
 lack of effective response means he will have pretty much a free hand,
IMO.
 Teo1000

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Re: [CTRL] Bush's Fund-Raising Opens Huge Disparity

1999-07-05 Thread Teo One Thousand

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In a message dated 7/4/99 5:32:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 
   And who are these fine Democrats who are not forwarding the Fascist
   movement?
   Names, please.
   Amelia


  There are so few Democrats in Washington that you really present me with a
  problem.  There was Robert Reish, but I don't know where he is now.
There's
  Sheila Jackson Lee, Maxine Waters, Jerrold Nadler, Barney Frank, John
  Dingell, Maxine Waters, Marcy Kaptur, andTom Lantos.   I'm fairly sure
these
  guys are basically into the liberal agenda, but it's impossible to be
  absolutely sure.  Most politicians are like Ben Nighthorse Campbell, they
  want to be on any side that seems to be winning at the moment.  Since on
the
  grand curve of political opinion, Communism is the far left and Fascism the
  far right, it would seem that Fascism is the wrong crime to blame on the
  Dems.  Prudy


The analogy is bogus here, IMO.  It seems to me we must look at this as what
is enabling this sort of thing to happen.  The "fascist agenda" may be a
"right-wing" phenomenon in the strict historical sense, but it has no
validity today.  The Democrats are working just as hard (and some would
argue, much harder) at putting more power into the hands of the State, which
is facilitating the Totalitarian Police State which is just down the road,
again IMO.  Democrats, traditionally are more for state responsibility, in
other words give the power to the state and the matter will be solved.  This
agenda only serves the greater purpose of a "fascist agenda" in that it leads
to absolute state control, and subjugation of the population, denial of civil
liberties, ethnic cleansing, and etc.  The "fact" that a few lone holdouts
are not PROMOTING the "fascist agenda", BUT are still facilitating it just
illustrates that they are stupid idiots, again IMO.  What will Maxine Waters
or Barney Frank say when the jack booted thugs take over,  which they will do
by the authority that is granted to them by laws that Frank, and Waters
endorse and work hard to have pass the congress?  Probably something stupid
and lame.  Which illustrates my point.
Teo1000

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Re: [CTRL] Bush's Fund-Raising Opens Huge Disparity

1999-07-04 Thread Amelia Edgeman

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And who are these fine Democrats who are not forwarding the Fascist
movement?
Names, please.
Amelia


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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush's Fund-Raising Opens Huge Disparity


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 In a message dated 07/02/1999 9:00:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   Your boy Clinton will do everything in his power to see
  that Bush is elected, just as Bush Sr. threw the election for Clinton,
then
  never uttered a word during Clinton's administration.  Question now is
will
  Bush continue the Socialist agenda to promote the Fascist takeover of the
  country, or will he just come out in the open with draconian measures to
  directly cancel freedoms we still have? 

 Yes, you're right, because if Clinton isn't a closet Republican, he's the
 next thing to it.  I'm sure he's working for the Bush election.  Now will
 Bush continue to promote the Fascist takeover of the country?  You bet he
 will.  It's been the Republican right-wing agenda all along, and Shrub is
a
 right-winger of the first water.  As the saying goes--he doesn't talk the
 talk, but he sure walks the walk.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Bush's Fund-Raising Opens Huge Disparity

1999-07-04 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 07/04/1999 4:21:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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 And who are these fine Democrats who are not forwarding the Fascist
 movement?
 Names, please.
 Amelia
  

There are so few Democrats in Washington that you really present me with a
problem.  There was Robert Reish, but I don't know where he is now.  There's
Sheila Jackson Lee, Maxine Waters, Jerrold Nadler, Barney Frank, John
Dingell, Maxine Waters, Marcy Kaptur, andTom Lantos.   I'm fairly sure these
guys are basically into the liberal agenda, but it's impossible to be
absolutely sure.  Most politicians are like Ben Nighthorse Campbell, they
want to be on any side that seems to be winning at the moment.  Since on the
grand curve of political opinion, Communism is the far left and Fascism the
far right, it would seem that Fascism is the wrong crime to blame on the
Dems.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Bush's Fund-Raising Opens Huge Disparity

1999-07-04 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 07/04/1999 6:11:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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 You are right about that particular small group.  I'd say communism there
 except for Sheila Jackson Lee, whom I respect. 

She is wonderful isn't she?  There's a person I would like to see run for
president.  I would be willing to contribute money (a pittance to be sure),
time and a lot of enthusiasm to

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Re: [CTRL] Bush's Fund-Raising Opens Huge Disparity

1999-07-04 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 07/04/1999 6:11:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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 You are right about that particular small group.  I'd say communism there
 except for Sheila Jackson Lee, whom I respect. 

She's a marvel, isn't she?  I'd like to see her run for president.  I would
back her all the way.  I don't suppose we have a prayer it might happen.
Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Bush's Fund-Raising Opens Huge Disparity

1999-07-03 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 07/02/1999 9:00:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Your boy Clinton will do everything in his power to see
 that Bush is elected, just as Bush Sr. threw the election for Clinton, then
 never uttered a word during Clinton's administration.  Question now is will
 Bush continue the Socialist agenda to promote the Fascist takeover of the
 country, or will he just come out in the open with draconian measures to
 directly cancel freedoms we still have? 

Yes, you're right, because if Clinton isn't a closet Republican, he's the
next thing to it.  I'm sure he's working for the Bush election.  Now will
Bush continue to promote the Fascist takeover of the country?  You bet he
will.  It's been the Republican right-wing agenda all along, and Shrub is a
right-winger of the first water.  As the saying goes--he doesn't talk the
talk, but he sure walks the walk.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Bush's Fund-Raising Opens Huge Disparity

1999-07-02 Thread Nicky Molloy

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/1999-07/01/048r-070199-idx.html


Bush's Fund-Raising Opens Huge Disparity
Unprecedented Edge May Limit Rivals
By Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 1, 1999+ADs- Page A01

SACRAMENTO, June 30+IBQ-The record-shattering fund-raising performance of Texas
Gov. George W. Bush has created an unprecedented financial disparity with
all of his Republican rivals and likely will severely hamper their ability
to compete for the party's presidential nomination, party officials said
today.

Bush's campaign announced that he has raised +ACQ-36.25 million so far this
year, an amount that far exceeded even the extraordinary expectations that
had been set for his campaign. No one in the history of presidential
campaigns has come close to raising that much money this quickly and no one
has ever raised more during the roughly 18-month nomination cycle than Bush
has raised in less than six months.

Only Steve Forbes, a multimillionaire who is mostly self-financing his
campaign, will have the money to compete with Bush.

Bush's fund-raising report provided more bad news for the campaign of Vice
President Gore. Although he has raised more than +ACQ-18 million so far this
year, Gore's only opponent, former New Jersey senator Bill Bradley, is
raising enough money (more than +ACQ-11 million) to mount a serious primary
challenge.

But in addition, Gore now must worry about a potential GOP rival in Bush who
could start salting money away for the general election earlier than ever
and have more resources for the long war.

The Bush campaign's fund-raising pace makes it a virtual certainty that the
GOP front-runner will decide to forgo federal matching funds in the
primaries, his advisers said. Already, Bush has raised more money than the
estimated +ACQ-33.5 million he could legally spend if accepts matching funds,
and his advisers said he has no intention of returning any money. By
refusing to accept matching funds, Bush could exceed the spending limits in
such important early states as Iowa and New Hampshire, giving him an
additional strategic advantage over most of his rivals.

But Bush's fund-raising prowess also has implications for the general
election, should he become the nominee. Republican nominee Robert J. Dole
was nearly broke by the time he secured the nomination in the spring of 1996
and was significantly outspent by President Clinton's campaign until he
began to receive federal funds later in the summer.

Bush, by refusing matching funds, could continue to raise money after he has
the nomination and use it to start waging the general election campaign.
Gore has decided to accept matching funds, which means he cannot exceed the
overall spending limits. If he wins the nomination, but has spent heavily to
defeat Bradley, he could face the same problem Dole confronted four years
ago.

Gore deputy campaign chairman Marla Romash dismissed that concern, calling
Bush's contributions +ACI-blank checks for a blank slate.+ACI- She added, +ACI-We 
remain
very confident we'll have the resources we need to win in the primary season
and win the general election.+ACI- Other Democrats, however, said Gore may need
to rethink whether to accept federal funds.

But it will be Bush's GOP rivals who feel the immediate impact of the
fund-raising disparity.

The Bush campaign for weeks would only hint at the record it was about to
set. On Tuesday, GOP officials who knew the figures told reporters that Bush
would raise +ACI-more than +ACQ-23 million.+ACI- By Wednesday, when they revealed the
record +ACQ-36.25 million, Bush fund-raisers insisted they had not been coyly
trying to lower expectations. +ACI-There's nothing Machiavellian here,+ACI- one
said.

Even after expecting the worst, officials in other campaigns sounded
overwhelmed when they heard the news. +ACI-Oh my God, that's breathtaking,+ACI- said
Tom Rath, a top adviser to former Tennessee governor Lamar Alexander. +ACI-What
are you going to say? That's phenomenal.+ACI-

Whether Bush's huge financial support translates into the same level of
political support is the next challenge for his campaign. He has scores of
endorsements from elected officials, but the voters have yet to be heard
from. The first test will come Aug. 14 at a non-binding straw poll sponsored
by the Iowa Republican Party. The other campaigns will be feeling as much or
more pressure to demonstrate their viability at the Iowa straw poll. They
face major obstacles as they attempt to build support in the face of Bush's
vastly superior resources.

The only other Republican in the race with the money to match Bush is
magazine publisher Forbes. Bush campaign officials long have regarded Forbes
as a serious threat, primarily because they know he will have the resources
to run television ads aimed at the governor in the same way he attacked --
and permanently damaged -- Dole in the 1996 primaries.

+ACI-I think it clearly gets narrowed down more 

Re: [CTRL] Bush's Fund-Raising Opens Huge Disparity

1999-07-02 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 07/02/1999 2:14:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Gov. George W. Bush has created an unprecedented financial disparity with
 all of his Republican rivals and likely will severely hamper their ability
 to compete for the party's presidential nomination, party officials said
 today.

 Bush's campaign announced that he has raised +ACQ-36.25 million so far this
 year, an amount that far exceeded even the extraordinary expectations that
 had been set for his campaign. No one in the history of presidential
 campaigns has come close to raising that much money this quickly and no one
 has ever raised more during the roughly 18-month nomination cycle than Bush
 has raised in less than six mont 

You know, this is a puzzle.  George W. Bush Jr. is the son and grandson of
men who are most notable for some very strange activities.  His "youthful
indiscretions" make Clinton look like a candidate for the clergy, and yet he
will win the presidency in a walk, because every lowlife right-winger  and
every "profits at any cost" corporation has given him a ton of money.  Either
the American voter or the office of the president is for sale to any scumbag
who comes along who just happens to have a name people recognize and who will
do whatever our corporate controllers want.  Considering just what the Bush
family really is and how much incontrovertible evidence there is to prove it,
I think that an electorate that votes another one in deserves exactly what it
gets.  Happy trails.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Bush's Fund-Raising Opens Huge Disparity

1999-07-02 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote:

 do whatever our corporate controllers want.  Considering just what the Bush
 family really is and how much incontrovertible evidence there is to prove it,
 I think that an electorate that votes another one in deserves exactly what it
 gets.  Happy trails.  Prudy


Sad, huh?  REAL SAD...but true:(


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Re: [CTRL] Bush's Fund-Raising Opens Huge Disparity

1999-07-02 Thread Bob Stokes

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In a message dated 99-07-02 06:50:48 EDT, you write:

"youthful indiscretions" make Clinton look like a candidate for the clergy

 The Clintonites never cease to amaze me.  How can you support Zipperboy
after all he has done ... a candidate for the clergy, what clergy, some sort
of satan worshipping cult?


 lowlife right-winger 

 You claim to be the wife of someone who was in the military, I don't
think so, unless of course if your husband is one of the dishonorable
socialist/communist conspirators plotting to take over the United States

 every "profits at any cost" corporation has given him a ton of money.

 Which is worse, getting money from American companies, or getting money
from our enemies such as the Red Chinese Army?

  Either
 the American voter or the office of the president is for sale to any scumbag
 who comes along who just happens to have a name people recognize and who will
 do whatever our corporate controllers want. 

 Our controllers are not the corporations although they do work through
the corporations in many ways.  The bankers are the ones stealing our money
and supporting their own agenda.  The bankers have control of the money and
therefore control of government because government is corrupt.  If the
government were not corrupt they would never have passed laws giving the IRS
and the Federal Reserve power over our money supply.

 Considering just what the Bush
 family really is and how much incontrovertible evidence there is to prove it,
 I think that an electorate that votes another one in deserves exactly what it
 gets.  Happy trails.  Prudy  

 What you say here is true, the electorate is stupid, they believe the
morons on the TV news and the prattle in the newspapers.  They will never
believe that little Bush Jr is a rat bastard from a nest of rat bastards and
we will get to see how Hitler came to power, but this time it will be the
Bush boy in control.  Your boy Clinton will do everything in his power to see
that Bush is elected, just as Bush Sr. threw the election for Clinton, then
never uttered a word during Clinton's administration.  Question now is will
Bush continue the Socialist agenda to promote the Fascist takeover of the
country, or will he just come out in the open with draconian measures to
directly cancel freedoms we still have?

Best Regards,
Bob Stokes

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Re: [CTRL] Bush's Fund-Raising Opens Huge Disparity

1999-07-02 Thread Teo One Thousand

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In a message dated 7/2/99 9:00:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 What you say here is true, the electorate is stupid, they believe the
  morons on the TV news and the prattle in the newspapers.  They will never
  believe that little Bush Jr is a rat bastard from a nest of rat bastards
and
  we will get to see how Hitler came to power, but this time it will be the
  Bush boy in control.  Your boy Clinton will do everything in his power to
 see
  that Bush is elected, just as Bush Sr. threw the election for Clinton, then
  never uttered a word during Clinton's administration.  Question now is will
  Bush continue the Socialist agenda to promote the Fascist takeover of the
  country, or will he just come out in the open with draconian measures to
  directly cancel freedoms we still have?

  Best Regards,
  Bob Stokes


Good observations.  Your last question is quite pertinent.  Her will not be
in office until AFTER Y2K so that can't be an excuse for HIM to enact the
draconian fascist state that we are fast becoming, but if Clinton does the
man a favor and declares martial law before hand then all bets are off.  I
see no reason for him to let up and slyly follow the covert agenda of his
predecessors.  There is NO effective opposition, more control programs and
lack of effective response means he will have pretty much a free hand, IMO.
Teo1000

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