Re: [CTRL] Constitutional gun control
-Caveat Lector- Wow, that's a philosophy to live by. If it ain't us it's darn right okay then ain't it... "Yuh wanna draw Pilgrim?" Jamie And, thanks to Clinton's blood banks - how many Canadians have become infected with AIDS? Colleen...one must ask...who really cares They ain't US!!! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Constitutional gun control
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lloyd Miller) writes about "constitutional rights involving gun control". As you know, the Bilderbergers are reputedly in session in Portugal. They, the CFR, the Tri lateralists and the International bankers ( including our "Federal Reserve" banking system) have zero interest in perpetuating individual countries constitutional rights. Their "NEW WORLD ORDER" intends government and manipulation of all peoples of the world for their profit and purposes regardless of any national constitutional statutes. Consider the United States constitutional rights that have been removed, ignored or diluted using the excuse of "drug law enforcement". i have recently determined that the great war is between the internet and the great beast; prolly the 666 one. these two forces are out to do each, the other, in. the bildyourburgers have been having more meetings lately. no doubt they are strategic planning meetings. as the battle heats up, their options and contingencies have to be explored and implimented. as the heat goes up they have to stay close to the front. but by that, their invisible hands are becoming more visible. they are losing the night, that is the field in which their treasonous acts are most effective. we are coming upon very interesting times indeed. stay tuned boys and girls. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Constitutional gun control
-Caveat Lector- All I want is them to leave our cows alone. Anthrax - Mad Cow Disease - I can do without the Bilderberger Hambergers too. But England, in the west they had to shoot their cattle when anthrax hit; in England, mad cows.the cows must be destroyed. But, today there are companies using cattle parts, from the pineal glad, etc., for other purposes in experiments. Cattle mutilitations in the USA? Which is worse, the cattle dying from anthrax and mad cow disease, or from vicious experiments blamed on Ufo's. Why suddenly now, do they want our troops to be immunized from Anthrax; and why do our troops refuse.like some of these othr vaccines, who has polluted what. And, thanks to Clinton's blood banks - how many Canadians have become infected with AIDS? In Canada, there is a civil war brewing, that will only equate to 76 Lates - anyone living or visiting England is not to give blood transfusionsbecause of maybe eating the mad cows.. If this stuffis all true - there are a few public officials who should be tried for more than just bad judgment and stupidity; manslaughter, or murder, if this was done knowingly. But then, look at our blood banks once headed by Elizabeth Doledid they evr buy any from Arkansas? Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Constitutional gun control
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/3/99 12:27:10 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And, thanks to Clinton's blood banks - how many Canadians have become infected with AIDS? Colleen...one must ask...who really cares They ain't US!!! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Constitutional gun control
-Caveat Lector-
No! The Amendment says, in effect: _Because_ a well regulated militia is
necessary, _then_ the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed!
The arms involved should be those normally used by soldiers in WAR! Assault
rifles, if not 50 Caliber Machine guns, should be legal!
THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGEDit doesn't matter
whythat is what the Bill of Rights says! No licensing, no registration,
no prohibition of carrying concealed weapons!The Founding Fathers were
all gun nuts! The first thing the British tried to do in Boston was seize
supplies of powder and ball! The Founding Fathers knew that liberty must be
defended on occasion by just violence!
Citizens who misuse guns should be punished severely. Using a gun in a
crime of any kind is threatened murder and should result in the death
penalty or life in prison.
-Original Message-
From: Dr. Ken Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 2:48 PM
Subject: RE: Constitutional gun control
One friend wrote:
Ken,
But the 2nd Amendment gives a specific "well-regulated" purpose for bearing
arms, right? It does not use the word individual. Also, the Supreme
Court, or so I have been told, has never interpreted the 2nd amendment to
apply on the level of the individual.
Well, sir, we can accept the definitions of our enemies, or we can use the
definitions of our Founders. "Well-regulated" means "well trained and
well-equipped," not "well-limited." "People" means "individuals." It does
not refer to some group of people. The Federalist Papers make it clear
that the Second Amendment applies to the right of each individual to be
equipped with arms so that each state might have a "well-regulated"
militia. If gun ownership were a state right, they would have said "the
right of the states to keep and bear arms." In the Tenth Amendment, both
"states" and "people" are used, indicating they are separate, and "people"
cannot mean "states." The Fourth Amendment says, "The right of the people
to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against
unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated." Do you think
that the "people" in the Fourth Amendment are different from the "people"
in the Second?
One of the purposes of the Constitution is to protect you and me, "the
people" from usurpations of power by the government. The Supreme Court
Justices are appointed by the President and ratified by the Senate. Are
they on the side of the government or the people? What makes you think
they would not be motivated to interpret the Constitution in favor of
government and against the rights of the people? Where does the
Constitution say it is whatever the Supreme Court says it is? If the
people are willing to surrender their Holy Constitution to the whims of the
Supreme Court, they no longer deserve its protections and they will lose
them.
I once wrote a petition on which we got over 20,000 signatures, asking my
Congressman to use his constitutional powers ("with such exceptions, and
under such regulations as the Congress shall make." -- Article III, Section
2) to restrict the Supreme Court's power to review state abortion laws. He
said he could not restrain the Supreme Court because they had the power to
interpret the constitutionality of anything Congress did. That important
check and balance held by Congress over the Supreme Court has been lost due
to our traditional enthronment of the Supreme Court. Actually, the
Constitution gave no such sweeping powers to the Supreme Court. They stole
that power in Marbury vs Madison in 1803. I am just trying to challenge
that 200-year-old myth. I may stand alone, but I am right.
Ken
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Re: [CTRL] Constitutional gun control
-Caveat Lector- Lloyd Miller wrote: -Caveat Lector- No! The Amendment says, in effect: _Because_ a well regulated militia is necessary, _then_ the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed! The arms involved should be those normally used by soldiers in WAR! Assault rifles, if not 50 Caliber Machine guns, should be legal! THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGEDit doesn't matter whythat is what the Bill of Rights says! No licensing, no registration, no prohibition of carrying concealed weapons!The Founding Fathers were all gun nuts! The first thing the British tried to do in Boston was seize supplies of powder and ball! The Founding Fathers knew that liberty must be defended on occasion by just violence! Citizens who misuse guns should be punished severely. Using a gun in a crime of any kind is threatened murder and should result in the death penalty or life in prison. -Original Message- From: Dr. Ken Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 2:48 PM Subject: RE: Constitutional gun control One friend wrote: Ken, But the 2nd Amendment gives a specific "well-regulated" purpose for bearing arms, right? It does not use the word individual. Also, the Supreme Court, or so I have been told, has never interpreted the 2nd amendment to apply on the level of the individual. And rightly so, since the amendment does not speak to the individual, but to congress. 9 of the first 10 amendments were written to prevent congress from passing laws infringing those rights. When the Supreme court ruled some years ago that the second amendment conferred no new rights for the citizens, it was correct! The rights preceded those amendments. Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
