Re: [CTRL] Fw: Senate bans some bomb making info from the Internet
-Caveat Lector- On 21 May 99, , CobolMage wrote: SEC. 402. CRIMINAL PROHIBITION ON DISTRIBUTION OF CERTAIN INFORMATION RELATING TO EXPLOSIVES, DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES, AND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. Now, does this mean that if a person is taught how to make these devices in the armed services and then uses such a device later, as a civilian, the armed services cam be sued for teaching him? The notion that you can be held criminally responsible for teaching someone something that is later used in the commission of a crime is a dangerous notion.Teaching, then, becomes a potentially dangerous activity...unless, of course, one teaches strictly by the government approved text. And even then, one careless speculation and... Boy--Freedom of speech sure is closing down fast. The Palladin Press and the Oliver Stone cases are really disturbing. If you can be held responsible for writing something --or producing a work of art or fiction--which someone then uses --or choses to immitate--in the commission of a crime, then everyone's life suddenly becomes very dangerous, indeed. Does this mean that crime and mystery writers will be feeling the pinch next, since they do write about and often explain how crimes are committed. Sounding more like Stalinist Russia every day. And I'm not talking about Communism, either. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Senate bans some bomb making info from the Internet
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 05/22/1999 8:57:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now, does this mean that if a person is taught how to make these devices in the armed services and then uses such a device later, as a civilian, the armed services cam be sued for teaching him? The notion that you can be held criminally responsible for teaching someone something that is later used in the commission of a crime is a dangerous notion. Yes, and Congress is getting very scarey. Just wait until you get the real skinny on this HR l790. They are starting their campaign to seriously dumb down America. It seems we are not being totally stupid fast enough to satisfy them. I thought we were making excellent progress, but that just goes to show. If they make it a crime to tell us or teach us, the program can make real headway. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Senate bans some bomb making info from the Internet
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 9:17 AM Subject: FC: Senate bans some bomb making info from the Internet Remember that Sen. Feinstein has been at this for years: http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/digital/daily/0,2822,592,00.html http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/digital/daily/0,2822,14079,00.html -Declan Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 00:33:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: no bomb making info for the Net, thanks to "trenchcoat hysteria" Declan, Dang, after caving on gun control, this little freedom of speech thing is nothing big. Senate blasts bomb-making info on Net By Courtney Macavinta Staff Writer, CNET News.com May 19, 1999, 1 p.m. PT URL: http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,36785,00.html Distributing bomb-making information on the Net would be illegal in most cases under Senate legislation being debated in the wake of the killings at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, and a rash of subsequent threats at campuses around the country. Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 18:09:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bomb teaching amendment language Declan, Interestingly enough, you can't read about the bomb info amendment on Thomas, but you have to sneak over to the GPO and read it in the Congressional Record. Sec. 402 is part of Amendment S.AMDT.353 to S.254, agreed to by an 85-13 vote (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/vote1061/vote_00123.html). BTW, S.AMDT.351 (sponsored by Sen Allard) also added to S.254 routes around the first Amendment by OKing religious observances of school violence memorials. Here is the language of the bomb teaching amendment: SEC. 402. CRIMINAL PROHIBITION ON DISTRIBUTION OF CERTAIN INFORMATION RELATING TO EXPLOSIVES, DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES, AND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. (a) Unlawful Conduct.--Section 842 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following: ``(p) Distribution of Information Relating to Explosives, Destructive Devices, and Weapons of Mass Destruction.-- ``(1) Definitions.--In this subsection: ``(A) The term `destructive device' has the same meaning as in section 921(a)(4). ``(B) The term `explosive' has the same meaning as in section 844(j). ``(C) The term `weapon of mass destruction' has the same meaning as in section 2332a(c)(2). ``(2) Prohibition.--It shall be unlawful for any person-- ``(A) to teach or demonstrate the making or use of an explosive, a destructive device, or a weapon of mass destruction, or to distribute by any means information pertaining to, in whole or in part, the manufacture or use of an explosive, destructive device, or weapon of mass destruction, with the intent that the teaching, demonstration, or information be used for, or in furtherance of, an activity that constitutes a Federal crime of violence; or ``(B) to teach or demonstrate to any person the making or use of an explosive, a destructive device, or a weapon of mass destruction, or to distribute to any person, by any means, information pertaining to, in whole or in part, the manufacture or use of an explosive, destructive device, or weapon of mass destruction, knowing that such person intends to use the teaching, demonstration, or information for, or in furtherance of, an activity that constitutes a Federal crime of violence.''. (b) Penalties.--Section 844 of title 18, United States Code, is amended-- (1) in subsection (a), by striking ``person who violates any of subsections'' and inserting the following: ``person who-- ``(1) violates any of subsections''; (2) by striking the period at the end and inserting ``; and''; (3) by adding at the end the following: ``(2) violates subsection (p)(2) of section 842, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.''; and (4) in subsection (j), by striking ``and (i)'' and inserting ``(i), and (p)''. -Thomas Thomas Edwards The Sync [EMAIL PROTECTED] Video for the Net Generation http://www.thesync.com 312 Laurel Avenue 1.301.438.7281 Laurel, MD 20707 -- POLITECH -- the moderated mailing list of politics and technology To subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this text: subscribe politech More information is at http://www.well.com/~declan/politech/ -- DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing!
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Senate bans some bomb making info from the Internet
-Caveat Lector- Well then, why do they not ban fireworks as well..if you can make a firecracker and rocket, you can make a bomb. We just had a local man killed some years back along with a little kid injured, due to a 4th of July celebration that turned into a disaster when the fireworks explodedthe impact shook my house, less then a half mile away. Now the information placed on the internet comes from a book..maybe the libraries should take a good look at some of their books, rather than spend half their time in the "black culture" sections where they now have books on voo doo for the kiddiesspecial African week. Why not special Irish Week, or German Week, or Serbian Week.. This country is sick, but the sicknes did not begin with the people in it - it began the day JFK was murdered in the streets of Dallas, the last President of the United Sttes. If you want to see the sickness, look not only at the kids at Littleton, but their Superintendent and Principal and in particular, the teacher with a son who was a "porn" movie starmovie star? And Clinton is getting a big kick out of the whole thing is he not...while he assisted in genocide by selling AIDS infected blood from which he obviously took a profit, sending bombs to kill children in Serbiaand you wonder why the children are kill happy? But remember, their mentor - they use the drugs to get the control, and then set the programmed killers loose upon the innocents. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
