Re: [CTRL] OBE's
-Caveat Lector- If you compare the greatest manuals of mystical guidance of their respective traditions, the *Dark Night of the Soul* and *Ascent of Mount Carmel* by St. John of the Cross for the Western tradition and the *Yogasutras* of Patanjali for the Eastern, you discover that both traditions recognize very similar side-effects of the quest for enlightenment. At a certain point, phenomena such as telepathy, teleportation, OBE, bilocation, levitation, and the like emerge. John of the Cross describes these phenomena as snares of the devil and says to ignore them; Patanjali describes the *siddhis* (lit., "miracles") as manifestations of maya and says to ignore them. The mystical traditions are filled with warnings about getting stuck at this level: "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him." "A roshi is an arrow pointed straight at hell." "The first shall be last and the last shall be first." The point is that these abilities are inherent in every human being; the physical and mental discipline imposed on the contemplative releases these abilities. But the objective of the discipline in the first place is *not* the *siddhis* but enlightenment, so the *siddhis* must be set aside as mere distractions. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 8:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] OBE's -Caveat Lector- snip In Buddhist circles, if you have an experience like this, one of the first things your teacher will tell you is to forget it. Fantastic visionary experiences are not considered conducive to real spiritual growth. Maybe this guy will have more to tell us when he learns to make that Castenadian leap. snip DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OBE's
-Caveat Lector- On 30 Oct 99, at 11:08, earthman wrote: NOW.the site above is where a disciple of robert monroe went recently to see the gathering and to see what is going on there with it!! a long article resultsthe one that the link goes to... it is all there folks..the whole nine yards...i thought ya would like to read this from yet ANOTHER explorer!! ...be prepared tp be amazed...this robert monroe OBE-thing is *NOT* just for to go local obe!! As Andrew Hennessey said in his post about Ascension, I have some reservations about this sort of anticipation of what we commonly regard as "death." I've had some experience (non-drug) in these realms of OBE and NDE, certainly regard life as a transitory experience, and yet still feel a great deal of attachment to the beauty of this planet (which is awesome, if you've stopped to notice lately)...and do wonder about the passivity this sort of experience--as described in The Gathering--might engender. I suppose it's all to the good if it helps folks handle fear...but on the other hand It occurs to me that one of the good things about the 60s-early 70s when so many people were experimenting with tripping was that people had to learn to accept the individuality of each person's visions...material that emanated from the individual unconscious. That acceptance generated a great deal of trust and tolerance--at least in certain small groups of people. The writer of The Gathering suggests that what he experienced is a collective vision...and that worries me. It reminds me a little too much of Bo and Peep. (The San Diego suicides). In Buddhist circles, if you have an experience like this, one of the first things your teacher will tell you is to forget it. Fantastic visionary experiences are not considered conducive to real spiritual growth. Maybe this guy will have more to tell us when he learns to make that Castenadian leap. Just my 2 cents worth. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OBE's
-Caveat Lector- From: freestone wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] hello everyone!! a MUST READ!! "your assignment for today is.." http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/gatherng.html there is the robert monroe institute. robert monroe was a pioneer in out-of body counscious travel...using "hemisinc" and other techniques. he wrote FAR JOURNEYS and other books. in far jouerneys...he went to see what he called "the gathering'...he was shown the many many ships from the galactic foundation all gathered arounfd the earth to see the "show!! the show is that of the planets ascenesion to the 4th dimension!! earth is at a critical point in its evoulution. but you know all that...from all the articles.. NOW.the site above is where a disciple of robert monroe went recently to see the gathering and to see what is going on there with it!! a long article resultsthe one that the link goes to... it is all there folks..the whole nine yards...i thought ya would like to read this from yet ANOTHER explorer!! ...be prepared tp be amazed...this robert monroe OBE-thing is *NOT* just for to go local obe!! http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/gatherng.html freestone We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/poleshift DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
