Re: [CTRL] Oklahoma City blast linked to bin Laden (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- --- Ted Saari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No primary evidence has been provided that McVeigh actually waived anything, wants to die, wants no autopsy, wants the whole world to view his execution etc, etc.nbsp; Only the not so cleverly concocted "Government" hearsay articles strategically disseminated and dribbled out on some kind of an apparently orchestrated public doping schedule leading up to the May 16, 2001 what apppears to be another "Government" sanctioned murder. __ Nakano comments: Ted, you have raised several very important questions...and you state them very well. The government obviously wanted to get rid of the Murrah Building as quickly as possible. They "destroyed the crime scene" without allowing any real on-site investigation via non-government third-party forensic experts. Since then, they have kept McVeigh completely away from public view. There have been virtually no informative prison interviews with reporters. McVeigh has not been allowed to answer any questions. It's also obvious that McVeigh's lawyer made no real attempt to defend him at the trial. There were many witnesses who's testimony could have raised very serious issues and "reasonable doubts". The failure to call Air Force General Benjamin Partin as a witness is unforgiveable. Now about the question of "motives". What was the motive behind the bombing" Who stood to gain from this act? Consider the following: "In February, 1995 President Clinton had introduced in the Senate, Bill 390. Senator Byden said in the Congressional Record that he was "introducing it because the President had commanded him to do it, but that he was severely troubled by it because of the use of secret tribunals and the loss of liberty that it represented ." Congressional Record, Feb. 10, 1995. Harris has been comparing the proposed legislation to that of Nazi Germany's totalitarian system in the 1930's. "The one thing that is unique in Senate Bill 390 is that when you compare it to the comparable legislation in Germany, the U.S. bill is worse. On the face of the record, the protective custody order that was the operative document for most of the period from 1934-38 in Germany contained better guarantees of civil liberty than this bill that President Clinton has offered to the American people." In October,1995, the President stated in a news conference, "It's been six months since the Oklahoma City bombing and they (Congress) still haven't passed the (anti-terrorism) bill." The thin veil of disguise thrown over the real object is becoming more and more transparent." __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Oklahoma City blast linked to bin Laden (fwd)
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No primary evidence has been provided that McVeigh actually waived anything, wants to die, wants no autopsy, wants the whole world to view his execution etc, etc. Only the not so cleverly concocted "Government" hearsay articles strategically disseminated and dribbled out on some kind of an apparently orchestrated public doping schedule leading up to the May 16, 2001 what apppears to be another "Government" sanctioned murder.
Which McVeigh is the apparent patsy, one of the McVeigh doubles, or the real McVeigh?
If one were actually to get aninterview with the so-called McVeigh, there would undoubtedly be no evidence provided or testing allowed (compare fingerprints etc) to verify one was actually talking to the real McVeigh. The opinions, if any, elicited from the "McVeigh" tendered could not be verified as coming from the real McVeigh.
The current and forthcoming Nash (McVeigh's current "attorney") statements alledgedly relaying 32-year-old McVeigh's death wishes to the publicstemfrom a crony of Stephen Jones ("represented" McVeigh in the kangeroo trial), who if one reads Jopnes' book account of the trial, onesuspects a deliberately botched representation and the appearance of collusion with the "Government." Same old incredibly "Government"-biased nasty judge too.
Where are the live video interviews with McVeigh now and where is any evidence that statements widely attributed to McVeigh areauthentic.Whyis McVeigh, whenever a rare picture is used, continually depicted in theold original orange jump suit stock photos? Why are the media networks not on this getting fresh live statements from McVeigh (what, no Barbara Walters inteview, no Jane Pauly interview, no Dateline NBC appearance, no 20/20 cameo, not even a Charlie Rose treatment or a National Enquirer story? Where are the book deals? Where is the real McVeigh and where is/are the McVeigh body double(s)? Why are some obscure "journalists" from an obscure Buffalo media entity alledgedly granted an interview with McVeigh? Where is their story? Why is publication being held until supposedly some time in April/May to be released when there will be no time to question whatever parts of the story may ever be published before McVeigh is killed? Why the deathly silence of the lamb...
Who is it that will be executed or appear to be executed to headline news on May 16, 2001?
Will there have been any word of truth uttered by "Government" spokespersons in the entire affair?
Who are the unbiasd medical professionals monitoring and reporting to the public McVeigh's mental and physical health and blood chemistry status (similar to Jim McDougal's kinder and gentler "keepers?")
Was nothing learned from the JFK/Oswald/Jack Ruby experience?
What will be lost when McVeigh is gone?
Why is the "Government" so anxious to vet McVeigh?
Who stands to lose if McVeigh were allowed to talk?
Who will benefit by offing a key witness in the OK Bomb affair before the public gets to hear his side of the story?
So goes the old quote attributed to George Santyana - something like - "Those who fail to learn from the past are doomed ..."
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Oklahoma City blast linked to bin Laden (fwd)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:05:13 -0800
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--- Yardbird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
?? NO Mc VEIGH AUTOPSY ??
The muzzled tiptop experts agree that the
Murrah Building was NOT destroyed by a fertilizer
bomb in a Ryder Truck, but by several contact
charges INSIDE that building and positioned on the
critical failed support
columns. And very soon after the bombing the Murrah
Building was hastily
demolished (terminated) and without an independent
forensic examination.
We are now told that Mc Veigh wants to be
speedily executed (terminated) and buried without an
independent forensic examination (autopsy). Do we
really believe that? Isn't that convenient for the
federal power structure that Mc Veigh wishes to be
hastily terminated without an independent forensic
examination entirely analogous to the building he
allegedly destroyed with his one "magic" bomb? (Kind
of like Oswald's one magic bullet?)
_
Nakano Comments:
Yes, it is very much like Oswald and also much
like Sirhan Sirhan.
Consider the following:
"a Middle Eastern terrorist cell living and operating
in the heart of Oklahoma City just a few miles from
the Alfred P. Murrah Building. We located
several witnesses and they testified and told us that
they identified an Iraqi national, a former member of
Saddam Hussein's Republican Guard through his own
admission later, as being in the company with Timothy
McVeigh the day of the bombing, prior to the bombi
Re: [CTRL] Oklahoma City blast linked to bin Laden (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- --- Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ?? NO Mc VEIGH AUTOPSY ?? The muzzled tiptop experts agree that the Murrah Building was NOT destroyed by a fertilizer bomb in a Ryder Truck, but by several contact charges INSIDE that building and positioned on the critical failed support columns. And very soon after the bombing the Murrah Building was hastily demolished (terminated) and without an independent forensic examination. We are now told that Mc Veigh wants to be speedily executed (terminated) and buried without an independent forensic examination (autopsy). Do we really believe that? Isn't that convenient for the federal power structure that Mc Veigh wishes to be hastily terminated without an independent forensic examination entirely analogous to the building he allegedly destroyed with his one "magic" bomb? (Kind of like Oswald's one magic bullet?) _ Nakano Comments: Yes, it is very much like Oswald and also much like Sirhan Sirhan. Consider the following: "a Middle Eastern terrorist cell living and operating in the heart of Oklahoma City just a few miles from the Alfred P. Murrah Building. We located several witnesses and they testified and told us that they identified an Iraqi national, a former member of Saddam Hussein's Republican Guard through his own admission later, as being in the company with Timothy McVeigh the day of the bombing, prior to the bombing in Oklahoma City." Nakano Comments: Tim McVeigh was recruited into a secret undercover operation by a "black-ops" agency of the U.S. government while he was still on active duty in the Army. McVeigh wanted to be in the Army Special Forces. He volunteered and reported for a "try out". It was reported that he failed the try out and that his application was rejected. It is probable, that McVeigh didn't fail, but was recruited into the black-ops agency. He was hand-picked for a special assignment, because the BATF had a "look-alike" agent who was a dead ringer for McVeigh. This facilitated certain parts of the plan. It was the McVeigh double who was actually arrested north of Oklahoma City after the blast at the Murrah Federal Building. McVeigh's mission was to leave the Army and appear to return to civilian life. In reality, his assigned mission was to make contact with a group of former Iraqi soldiers (Republican Guards) who had been given asylum in the U.S. by Bill Clinton. McVeigh infiltrated the group (terrorist cell) which had settled in Oklahoma City. He reported on this group's plans and movements. Yes...McVeigh was "in it up to his eyeballs". He thought he was carrying out an important undercover mission for his country. What he didn't understand, was that he was the "fall guy" in case the government "sting" operation went sour. (Perhaps it was intended to fail all along). It is highly probable that McVeigh is a victim of "mind control" such as the type that was developed by the CIA's MKULTRA and similar secret programs. Throughout all of his trial, and since McVeigh exhibited the telltale characteristics. The strange robotic detachment and lack of any remorse or emotion. The lack of any effort to defend himself. The insistence on waiving all legal procedures of appeal. He probably still does not comprehend that his country used him... then abandoned him and now it is going to kill him. Nakano __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Oklahoma City blast linked to bin Laden (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- READ THIS FIRST: Oklahoma City blast linked to bin Laden http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=215 Fox News The O'Reilly Factor - MARCH 20, 2001 Headlines: Was Osama Bin Laden Involved in the Oklahoma City Bombing? Byline: Bill OReilly Guest: Jayna Davis http://fn.emediamillworks.com/ - ?? NO Mc VEIGH AUTOPSY ?? The muzzled tiptop experts agree that the Murrah Building was NOT destroyed by a fertilizer bomb in a Ryder Truck, but by several contact charges INSIDE that building and positioned on the critical failed support columns. And very soon after the bombing the Murrah Building was hastily demolished (terminated) and without an independent forensic examination. We are now told that Mc Veigh wants to be speedily executed (terminated) and buried without an independent forensic examination (autopsy). Do we really believe that? Isn't that convenient for the federal power structure that Mc Veigh wishes to be hastily terminated without an independent forensic examination entirely analogous to the building he allegedly destroyed with his one "magic" bomb? (Kind of like Oswald's one magic bullet?) Will Mc Veigh be hastily executed and denied an independent autopsy to hide that he was physically and/or chemically abuse to make him a more compliant patsy? Jerry L. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror http://www.constitution.org/ocbpt/ocbpt.htm The Oklahoma Bombing More than any other event in recent years http://www.carpenoctem.tv/cons/okla.html Media Bypass - A Public Apology - by Hoppy Heidelberg http://4bypass.com/archives/hoppy.htm Others Known to the FBI in the OKC Bombing Case http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39c95cc82b1a.htm General Says Four Charges Destroyed Murrah Federal Building http://www.orlingrabbe.com/partints.htm Three John Does in the OKC Bombing Were Protected FBI Informants http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39cbf4c91f64.htm It is the same Bob Ricks of Waco fame. Ricks was seen by witnesses including Mrs. Jane Coverdale who spoke with Ricks in front of the Murrah building at around 9:15 am on 4/19/1995 too early for Ricks to have gotten there from a golf tournament he said he was at in Shawnee, Oklahoma (25 minutes away even by heliocopter!) Coverdale lost two grandchildren in the day care center of the Murrah Building. Many of the FBI agents who mishandled WACO in addition to Ricks were also directly involved in the OKC bombing coverup and were from the OKC FBI field office. One FBI agent named Gray was in the FBI communications center at WACO listening to all the FBI bugs in the compound. Gray was a negotiator who supposedly retired after Waco. But strangely enough, he was on the scene at the bomb site by 9;30 am on 4/19/1995 with his FBI jacket on to do negotiations with McVeigh? Smacks of foreknowledge doesn't it! My source of this story is OKC police officer Don Browning who was K9 unit that found living and dead in the rubble. Browning knows FBI agent Gray and testified against Gray at the Oklahoma County Grand Jury investigating the bombing. The Grand Jury never called Gray to respond to the allegations. The FBI has immunity in these cases we were told and does not have to testify before state or county grand juries!! Remember McVeigh said during his 60 minutes interview that he held the FBI more responsible for Waco than the BATF. MCVeigh also wrote a letter to the Oklahoma Gazette with even stronger allegations against the FBI. The FBI had agents in the Murrah building every day at 9am and dropped off kids at the day care center. But the FBI was tipped and did not show up inside the Murrah building on the morning of 4/19/1995. They were outside instead! http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39cbf4c91f64.htm --- "WE NEED TO CIRCLE THE WAGONS" [UPDATE 03/20/01] http://www.apfn.org/apfn/money.htm "WE ARE APT TO SHUT OUR EYES AGAINST A PAINFUL TRUTH... FOR MY PART, I AM WILLING TO KNOW THE WHOLE TRUTH; TO KNOW THE WORST; AND TO PROVIDE FOR IT." Patrick Henry American Patriot Friends Network (APFN) http://www.apfn.org APFN EMAIL LIST SUBSCRIBE/UNSCBSCRIBE IN SUBJECT LINE TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] APFN YahooGroups: Subscribe: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apfn/join Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] APFN CONTENTS: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/apfncont.htm APFN MSG BOARD: http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html APFN SITE MAP: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/sitemap.htm Public Education System vs Christian Home Schooling Home School News, Info. Links http://www.ordination.org/homeschool.htm "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of
