Re: [CTRL] One nation under God = Hooey! (try Canada)
-Caveat Lector- Hooray for Canada, Mad cow, SARS, and all. How long before they request aid from the lowly Americans??? Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:37:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: C. Anton Burnette [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Â Â [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Â Â [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: Death Sentence Tossed Over Bible Reading Again it gets back to the issue that those Americans who want one nation under God had better find another nation...Canada maybe. But first they have to know what a nation under God would be like. Now Canada, by Constitution is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God. BC Judge FE Howard reviewed judicial precedents and concluded that the judges of Canada define the supremacy of God as one's highest ideals or standards. Thus in Canada we have the LIBERTY to invoke our Godly Principles as we choose and I cannot see the kind of snafu below happening here. If anyone invokes their understanding of Bible teaching and it comes in conflict with a law of the land that is another matter. Thus I think a Canadian court could only react this way by finding a specific law which conflicts with the jurors' decision-making. But more broadly, there is the matter of one nation under God. What would it be like? Christian missionaries can describe hundreds of pagan cultures. What is their description of a Godly Culture? If they don't know, how can they move a pagan culture in that direction? Valerie Pringle may wish to consider this for Vision TV. Don Boudria, MP wrote to say that we should ask the experts in the clergy (like Rev. Blaikie, MP?) what a Canada designed according to these Godly Principles would be like. So ask, Valerie. Ask in a way to make the faith-works connection concrete as well as abstract/spiritual. What would a city for say 100,000 plus surroundings be like if designed by experts in Godliness? Do they know or are they just a bunch of prattling ideologues? POC Â Â * http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens ** On Tue, 27 May 2003, C. Anton Burnette wrote: Death Sentence Tossed Over Bible Reading By JENNIFER HAMILTON, Associated Press Writer BRIGHTON, Colo. - A judge threw out a convicted killer's death sentence Friday, saying the jury improperly relied on the Bible to reach its decision. Judge John Vigil ordered a new sentencing hearing for Robert Harlan, who was convicted in 1995 of kidnapping, raping and murdering Rhonda Maloney, 25. He also shot a passer-by who tried to help, leaving her paralyzed. If any case merits the death penalty, there cannot be serious debate about this case being that case, Vigil wrote. The death penalty, however, must be imposed in a constitutional manner ... Jury resort to biblical code has no place in a constitutional death penalty proceeding. Defense attorneys had argued the use of religious works during jury deliberations is improper because the works are not Colorado law. Prosecutors said the use of biblical passages could not have influenced the verdict. Vigil said the sequestered jury read and discussed biblical passages on punishment in the deliberation room for the purpose of guiding and directing certain jurors to a particular verdict. The jurors' reliance on the specific biblical passages cannot be considered benign, he wrote. Vigil referred to juror Lana Eaton-Ochoa, who read and wrote down the citation to Romans 13:1, which says let every soul be subject to the governing authorities for there is no authority except from God. This and other passages the jurors considered do more than simply encourage jurors to follow the instructions of the court. The passages mandate that death be the penalty for murder, he said. Eaton-Ochoa testified that she reads the Bible for comfort and wisdom. The judge criticized court officials for failing to make sure jurors were not exposed to outside influences. The jury supervision performed in this case was extremely negligent and appallingly lax, he wrote. - Located at http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/ap/20030523/ap_on_re_us/bible_death_sentence_2 If any case merits the death penalty, there cannot be serious debate about this case being that case, Vigil wrote. The death penalty, however, must be imposed in a constitutional manner ... Jury resort to biblical code has no place in a constitutional death penalty proceeding. Here Judge Vigil says that Biblical code has no place in a Constitutional proceeding. Â Americans need to realize that the Constitution is being used as a weapon against Christianity and the Bible. Â
[CTRL] One nation under God = Hooey! (try Canada)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:37:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: C. Anton Burnette [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: Death Sentence Tossed Over Bible Reading Again it gets back to the issue that those Americans who want one nation under God had better find another nation...Canada maybe. But first they have to know what a nation under God would be like. Now Canada, by Constitution is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God. BC Judge FE Howard reviewed judicial precedents and concluded that the judges of Canada define the supremacy of God as one's highest ideals or standards. Thus in Canada we have the LIBERTY to invoke our Godly Principles as we choose and I cannot see the kind of snafu below happening here. If anyone invokes their understanding of Bible teaching and it comes in conflict with a law of the land that is another matter. Thus I think a Canadian court could only react this way by finding a specific law which conflicts with the jurors' decision-making. But more broadly, there is the matter of one nation under God. What would it be like? Christian missionaries can describe hundreds of pagan cultures. What is their description of a Godly Culture? If they don't know, how can they move a pagan culture in that direction? Valerie Pringle may wish to consider this for Vision TV. Don Boudria, MP wrote to say that we should ask the experts in the clergy (like Rev. Blaikie, MP?) what a Canada designed according to these Godly Principles would be like. So ask, Valerie. Ask in a way to make the faith-works connection concrete as well as abstract/spiritual. What would a city for say 100,000 plus surroundings be like if designed by experts in Godliness? Do they know or are they just a bunch of prattling ideologues? POC * http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens ** On Tue, 27 May 2003, C. Anton Burnette wrote: Death Sentence Tossed Over Bible Reading By JENNIFER HAMILTON, Associated Press Writer BRIGHTON, Colo. - A judge threw out a convicted killer's death sentence Friday, saying the jury improperly relied on the Bible to reach its decision. Judge John Vigil ordered a new sentencing hearing for Robert Harlan, who was convicted in 1995 of kidnapping, raping and murdering Rhonda Maloney, 25. He also shot a passer-by who tried to help, leaving her paralyzed. If any case merits the death penalty, there cannot be serious debate about this case being that case, Vigil wrote. The death penalty, however, must be imposed in a constitutional manner ... Jury resort to biblical code has no place in a constitutional death penalty proceeding. Defense attorneys had argued the use of religious works during jury deliberations is improper because the works are not Colorado law. Prosecutors said the use of biblical passages could not have influenced the verdict. Vigil said the sequestered jury read and discussed biblical passages on punishment in the deliberation room for the purpose of guiding and directing certain jurors to a particular verdict. The jurors' reliance on the specific biblical passages cannot be considered benign, he wrote. Vigil referred to juror Lana Eaton-Ochoa, who read and wrote down the citation to Romans 13:1, which says let every soul be subject to the governing authorities for there is no authority except from God. This and other passages the jurors considered do more than simply encourage jurors to follow the instructions of the court. The passages mandate that death be the penalty for murder, he said. Eaton-Ochoa testified that she reads the Bible for comfort and wisdom. The judge criticized court officials for failing to make sure jurors were not exposed to outside influences. The jury supervision performed in this case was extremely negligent and appallingly lax, he wrote. - Located at http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/ap/20030523/ap_on_re_us/bible_death_sentence_2 If any case merits the death penalty, there cannot be serious debate about this case being that case, Vigil wrote. The death penalty, however, must be imposed in a constitutional manner ... Jury resort to biblical code has no place in a constitutional death penalty proceeding. Here Judge Vigil says that Biblical code has no place in a Constitutional proceeding. Americans need to realize that the Constitution is being used as a weapon against Christianity and the Bible. The document our Founding Fathers wrote to protect our liberties is being used to take those liberties away. The answer to America's problems is found in the Bible, not in the
