Re: [CTRL] Picture of IT?

2001-01-16 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

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From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 What if it is solar operated if that is IT:

So what?  The picture shows a device that is too unwieldy to be used by anyone but the 
very young, who'd be
able to keep their balance on it for more than a few moments.  Hardly a device around 
which cities would be
designed, as was touted in the articles.


 but this guy with all his
 patents, is a dreamer - he calls this dream Ginger.

I'm still going with Ginger Rogers as the inspiration.  Remember the movie where Fred 
Astaire danced with a
mop, and then with a coatrack?


June

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Re: [CTRL] Picture of IT?

2001-01-16 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Do you remember advertising "The Birds" is coming..now I guessed
that was a book or movie because, they used is instead of "are".used
to be a stickler on grammar now I like many others have been subjected
to too many aint's and "he don'ts" to be concerned am more interested in
message.

This guy has a good PR man.must have hired Bill Clintons for the IT
to come into being.was a book called IT?

So maybe it is a pair of walking shoes with little rays of light -
energizers for feet to make all travel like great god Mercury.

But then with size 12 shoes some people could have problem.

Maybe put ginger someplace else?

I await yet to see "The Birds" for when the movie came around, have not
seen yet.

Birds can be a problem though - so many found feet up in fields these
days - maybe IT is already here - we all fly with wings of eagles?

Would rather having moving sidewalks with little chairs operated by
solar energy to take me from my suburban home to Dixie.

One way sidewalks...and burn bridges behind me.

So IT is coming with ginger up the nose?

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Re: [CTRL] Picture of IT?

2001-01-16 Thread Jenny Decker

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Well, I estimate that "Ginger" is a tongue-in-cheek joke. Many feel that
"IT" is some variety of free or abundant energy device. Imagine "Ginger" as
the Great Karnak's answer to the question "What's the single, solitary thing
that a man would need/want if stranded on a desert island?"
The wise-acre answer is "Ginger" from Gilligan's island--the practical
answer is an abundant or free energy source. What would be the fulfillment
fantasy of Tom Hanks in Castaway?  See, perhaps

http://www.wirednews.com/wired/archive/8.09/kamen.html

Lately, Kamen has broadened his work beyond health care. He believes
technology and ingenuity can solve all kinds of social ills - like
pollution, limited access to electricity, and contaminated water in many
third-world countries, where bacteria from human feces in drinking water is
a leading cause of cholera. To help ameliorate the water problem, Deka's
team of 170 engineers is working on a nonpolluting engine - funded by
several million dollars of Kamen's own money - based on a concept first
floated in the early 1800s but never realized.

The device is called the Stirling engine; Kamen hopes it can be developed
into an affordable, portable machine that will run a water purifier/power
generator that could zap contaminated H20 with a UV laser to make it safe
for drinking. "It can burn any fuel, and you can do all kinds of things with
it," he says. "It might be very valuable in emerging economies, giving them
access to electricity, even the Net."


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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Picture of "IT?"


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 What if it is solar operated if that is IT: but this guy with all his
 patents, is a dreamer - he calls this dream Ginger.

 Remember my great Uncle Jefferson Davis Hoke telling tales with his
 brother, Stonewall Jackson Home stories about putting "ginger" up a
 horses nose - gives it a lot of energy, etc., and then these farmers
 would get the best in a horse deal.

 Ginger, is red; maybe ginger is a form of energymaybe, hey maybe he
 is selling souped up horses?  Wonder why he used word Ginger -

 Just a thought.so much for horse traders and "Ginger".

 Solar energy and space is the future - things are changing and soon, we
 will use corn oil or soy oil as form of gasoline.

 Buicks used to be called Hayburners - for they at one time really burned
 up the gasoline.

 Wonder if a lot of people tried to invest in the IT, and whether just
 maybe it is - well like the woman who for $15.00 could cut her energy
 billin return, she got two clothes pinsnow that was expensive
 lesson in - salesmenship?

 Saba

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Re: [CTRL] Picture of IT?

2001-01-16 Thread Mike Switzer

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The big deal is that while the motor is running it CAN NOT be tipped
over...you don't have to keep your balance at all, the machine does it for
you

Mike

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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Picture of "IT?"


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From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 What if it is solar operated if that is IT:

So what?  The picture shows a device that is too unwieldy to be used by
anyone but the very young, who'd be
able to keep their balance on it for more than a few moments.  Hardly a
device around which cities would be
designed, as was touted in the articles.


 but this guy with all his
 patents, is a dreamer - he calls this dream Ginger.

I'm still going with Ginger Rogers as the inspiration.  Remember the movie
where Fred Astaire danced with a
mop, and then with a coatrack?


June

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Re: [CTRL] Picture of IT?

2001-01-16 Thread Nessie

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while the motor is running 


Where's the motor? Where's the fuel tank. What kind of motor is it?

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Re: [CTRL] Picture of IT?

2001-01-16 Thread Stopforth, Jamie
Title: RE: [CTRL] Picture of IT?





And is this what IT really is? According to who?


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while the motor is running 



Where's the motor? Where's the fuel tank. What kind of motor is it?


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Re: [CTRL] Picture of IT?

2001-01-16 Thread Jenny Decker

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It's a Stirling engine: see this various websites:

http://www.lanl.gov/mst/engine/
http://techni.tachemie.uni-leipzig.de/stirling/
http://jenny.mes.titech.ac.jp/jshinozu/Engine/engine.html
http://me.mit.edu/2.670/Stirl/stirl.html
http://www.webcom.com/sknkwrks/stirling.htm
http://www.samurai.com/lists/trawler-world-hybrid-
power/0135.html
and especialliy
http://www.ragerobotics.org/Dean%20Kamen%20article%20in%20WIRED.htm

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while the motor is running


Where's the motor? Where's the fuel tank. What kind of motor is it?

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Re: [CTRL] Picture of IT?

2001-01-16 Thread Jenny Decker

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re: Ginger or IT:

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,41197,00.html

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Re: [CTRL] Picture of IT?

2001-01-16 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

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From: "Mike Switzer" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 The big deal is that while the motor is running it CAN NOT be tipped
 over...you don't have to keep your balance at all, the machine does it for
 you

I can't see that by the drawing...the drawing shows something that to me looks like it 
can tip over very
easily, motor running or not...

I just can't see senior citizens with arthritis and rheumatism operating these 
things...and again, I find it
hard to believe that whole communities (not to mention cities) will be designed around 
them.

Sorry...this to me has all the signs of those 'personal helicopters' one saw touted in 
news reels of the late
40s and early 50s...remember, by the late 1960s, we were all going to be commuting to 
work via those 'personal
helicopters'?  Those too were described as something that would ultimately have whole 
cities designed around
them...


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Re: [CTRL] Picture of IT?

2001-01-16 Thread Nessie

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It's a Stirling engine: see this various websites:

He has certainly worked on Sterling motors. But I don't see one in this
picture. Nor do I see fuel tanks. 

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Re: [CTRL] Picture of IT?

2001-01-16 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

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From: "Nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Where's the motor? Where's the fuel tank. What kind of motor is it?

Supposedly it utilizes some sort of 'alternative' fuel source, and so would not need a 
fuel tank as we know
it, or indeed need a fuel tank at all.  For that matter, it may not utilize a motor as 
we know it.

Doesn't change the fact that it looks damn difficult for anyone above the age of 25 to 
use...


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Re: [CTRL] Picture of IT?

2001-01-16 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

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 http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,41197,00.html

"But unless all the news reports have been severely overblown,
it would have to be a device that more people would be willing
and able to climb on. I can't see me balancing all 278 pounds
of my middle-aged body on a scooter –- and I'm thinking Kamen's
device has wider applications than a fun way to get to the store."

Precisely the point I have been trying to make...


But perhaps we're all expecting too much. Kamen released a
statement saying he is disappointed with the leak of his book
proposal, and now feels that expectations for IT have been raised
too high.

"The leaked proposal quoted several prominent technology leaders
out of context, without their doubts, risks and maybes included,"
the statement said. "This, together with spirited speculation about
the unknown, has led to expectations that are beyond whimsical.
We have a promising project, but nothing of the earth-shattering
nature that people are conjuring up.

Sounds like back-peddling to me.  First we have it that this device will result in 
cities being built around
it; now we are being told that there is 'nothing of the earth-shattering nature' about 
it...



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Re: [CTRL] Picture of IT?

2001-01-15 Thread The Extremist

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At 12:08 PM 1/14/01 , you wrote:
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This, some say, may be "IT":

http://www.delphion.com/gifcache/WO00075001A1.tif.45.s0.35.r0.gif

A motorized unicycle???
BwaaHaaHaaHaaHaaHaaHaaHaHahahahahahaha
That's a good one.
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Re: [CTRL] Picture of IT?

2001-01-15 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

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From: "The Extremist" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 A motorized unicycle???
 BwaaHaaHaaHaaHaaHaaHaaHaHahahahahahaha
 That's a good one.
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 (I can't even skateboard and it has four wheels)

Yes...unless I'm missing something, I fail to see how a jazzed-up unicycle can bring 
about all the fabulous
changes to society touted in the article about 'IT'...


June

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Re: [CTRL] Picture of IT?

2001-01-15 Thread Aleisha Saba

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What if it is solar operated if that is IT: but this guy with all his
patents, is a dreamer - he calls this dream Ginger.

Remember my great Uncle Jefferson Davis Hoke telling tales with his
brother, Stonewall Jackson Home stories about putting "ginger" up a
horses nose - gives it a lot of energy, etc., and then these farmers
would get the best in a horse deal.

Ginger, is red; maybe ginger is a form of energymaybe, hey maybe he
is selling souped up horses?  Wonder why he used word Ginger -

Just a thought.so much for horse traders and "Ginger".

Solar energy and space is the future - things are changing and soon, we
will use corn oil or soy oil as form of gasoline.

Buicks used to be called Hayburners - for they at one time really burned
up the gasoline.

Wonder if a lot of people tried to invest in the IT, and whether just
maybe it is - well like the woman who for $15.00 could cut her energy
billin return, she got two clothes pinsnow that was expensive
lesson in - salesmenship?

Saba

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Re: [CTRL] Picture of IT?

2001-01-14 Thread Nessie

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I want one. 

What's the patent number?

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