Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Don't fall into the trap of Marxist theory which holds that all human activity should be understood in terms of economic gain. I don't. There's a lot more to life than economics. But in this particular case, the primary motivation of the organizers was clearly economic. War is the business of kings. There was real faith at work in the Crusades, for every knight there were hundreds of paupers motivated by belief. Foot soldiers have always been motivated by different things than their leaders. To their leaders, foot soldiers are glorified draft animals. And besides faith and greed, there was also less controversial motives of self-interest such as escaping famine, overpopulation etc. . . . and stupidity, a common side effect of belief. I prefer doubt. Doubt makes you smart. Not child sacrifice, but something far more insidious and worrying methinks. The Iraqi children are being murdered in cold blood so certain oil companies can make more money for their owners. In biblical terms they are being sacrificed on the altar of Mammon. The guys actually dropping the bombs and manning the blockade fleet honestly believe they are doing the right thing. Better they should doubt. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- There was real faith at work in the Crusades, for every knight there were hundreds of paupers motivated by belief. Foot soldiers have always been motivated by different things than their leaders. To their leaders, foot soldiers are glorified draft animals. It takes many hands, and feet, to complete the Devil's work... And besides faith and greed, there was also less controversial motives of self-interest such as escaping famine, overpopulation etc. . . . and stupidity, a common side effect of belief. I prefer doubt. Doubt makes you smart. It surely does, which brings me to the following point. Not child sacrifice, but something far more insidious and worrying methinks. The Iraqi children are being murdered in cold blood so certain oil companies can make more money for their owners. Oh yes. Very profound, very Chomskyian, very predictable. So are you denying the culpability of Iraqi regime in (1), prolonging the sanctions by clearly continuing to deceive the international arms inspectors the presence of which it agreed to as part of its surrender conditions back in 1991; (2) ensuring that the sanctions really bite the common people of Iraq while members of Saddams family make millions through sanction-busting; and (3) shamelessly exploiting the suffering of the Iraqi people, to which it has been the principal contributor, for propaganda purposes? In biblical terms they are being sacrificed on the altar of Mammon. Or maybe it's the Whore of Babylon, although one would be loath to describe Saddam as that. But they are being sacrificed on the altar of Saddam. The guys actually dropping the bombs and manning the blockade fleet honestly believe they are doing the right thing. Better they should doubt. Sure. But then again they might decide orders are orders... BD A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Well, I agree with the first few examples, although the example of the Holocaust might be questioned on the grounds that while it was indeed carried out by a Christian society and drew on anti-Semitism rooted in Christian beliefs, the architects were somewhat contemptuous of such beliefs and as far as I know, did not commit their vile act it in the name of God but to realise the pseudo-scientific goal of maintaining racial hygiene. The architects were Nazis. Nazism is a religion in its own right. Quite true. However, the men who actually did the killing were mainly Lutherans, Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. The Germans wore a uniform which featured a belt buckle which said "God is with us." They killed thirteen million people in the camps alone, but the real Holocaust is what they did to Russia. They killed between twenty and fifty million Russians (depending on whose version you believe). REAL Christians, i.e., the followers of the teachings of Jesus himself, would have refused the Nazi's orders. The brings forth the fundamental problem of Christianity anyway in which many God-fearing folk seem to ignore one of the Ten Commandments JC's view that you just shouldn't kill or hurt people. My real gripe, however, is with your contention that current activity in Iraq is a good example of Christians taking innocent blood. You only chose that because it suits your ideological mindset. I would contend that it is somewhat removed the example of the Crusades as the decision to bomb Iraq was made by a nominally Christian politician, and not by a cleric. It isn't religiously inspired. Neither were the Crusades. They were a land grab, plain and simple. No. Don't fall into the trap of Marxist theory which holds that all human activity should be understood in terms of economic gain. There was real faith at work in the Crusades, for every knight there were hundreds of paupers motivated by belief. Don't forget the Children's Crusade, one particularly tragic product of that faith. And besides faith and greed, there was also less controversial motives of self-interest such as escaping famine, overpopulation etc. Religion was just an excuse. Religion is not the excuse in Iraq Nevertheless, religious men, men who call themselves Christians, have murdered half a million Muslims so far in their siege of Iraq. Almost all have been women and children. It doesn't matter why they did it. What matters is that they do not refuse to do it. Jesus would refuse. Why do those who claim to worship him not refuse? Is this not hypocricy? Ultimately it is hypocrisy. But let's split hairs here to get to the bottom of the issue which was originally raised when Satanists were accused of child sacrifice. Christianity as practised over the ages has failed to conform with JC's preaching in three ways: at the instruction of the Church the innocent have been killed as in the Crusades, Inquisition, Conquistadors; the Church has supported the killing of the innocent, or at least killing par se, by the state, as in Church support for the governments of both sides in WW1 2 and any other conflict you can care to mention over the past couple of hundred years involving Christian states; and finally, in defiance of Christian teachings about the wrongness of killing, many individual Christians have willingly participated in atrocities, from butchering idigenes in the colonies through the Holocaust to bombing civilians in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, backing cruel dictatorships around the world. Not child sacrifice, but something far more insidious and worrying methinks. BD A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I am shocked and saddened that you have been so indoctrinated in the ideology of your faith that you (1.) can't tell a pagan from a Satanist and (2.) think that Satanists sacrifice children. I agree with you there Nessie (shock horror), but... Even if they did, Christendom has far too much innocent blood on its hands to criticize anybody else for killing babies. Aside from Crusades, the Inquisition, the Holocaust and the slaughter of New World indiginents, consider Iraq. Three or four days a week for nearly a decade now (mostly) Christian bomber pilots have rained death on Iraq and (mostly) Christian sailors have blockaded Iraqi ports. Nearly a half million Iraqi civilians have died, most of them slowly and painfully. Almost all have been women and children. And for what have they been sacrificed? Oil company profits. It is, at the very least, obscene. To REAL Christians, i.e. the followers of the teachings of Jesus himself, it is an abomination. To the vast majority of people who call themselves "Christians" it is apparently not worthy of outrage. Well, I agree with the first few examples, although the example of the Holocaust might be questioned on the grounds that while it was indeed carried out by a Christian society and drew on anti-Semitism rooted in Christian beliefs, the architects were somewhat contemptuous of such beliefs and as far as I know, did not commit their vile act it in the name of God but to realise the pseudo-scientific goal of maintaining racial hygiene. My real gripe, however, is with your contention that current activity in Iraq is a good example of Christians taking innocent blood. You only chose that because it suits your ideological mindset. I would contend that it is somewhat removed the example of the Crusades as the decision to bomb Iraq was made by a nominally Christian politician, and not by a cleric. It isn't religiously inspired. BD A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- One of the main issues with Christianity IS the Vatican--which is not only a religious center but a very powerful political and financial force. And does not only embrace a religious dogma but also a political and financial agenda. Religion centered in the Vatican recognizes the Pope as the prime terrestrial ruler and regards all secular leaders as holding power only under Papal authority. To all extants and purposes, the religion based at the Vatican is called Christianity and regards itself as the final authority over all who consider themselves Christian. Which is why Catholicism in an American president has always been an issue, the question being: would he be subject to the Pope's authority. Could he make his own judgements and decisions? As for other Christian sects and groups, they also have political and financial agendas, which they strategize to enact and maximize. And are, to some degree, in competition with the Vatican with regards to numbers of followers and thus money and power. Believers=. More believers=more $ People today are not being "persecuted" for believing in the divinity of Jesus. The issues are political and financial and revolve not solely around dogma but around money and power The Vatican--for one--is as powerful a player in world politics as any nation...and quite a bit more powerful than quite a few. We are talking here about CONTROL over territory and assetts--not about whether you or I or our nextdoor neighbor "accept" Jesus or the Bible. Ferdinand and Isabell--who financed Columbus--were firm supporters of the Church and the Inquisition--which, as you may recall, had a most profound impact on the peoples who inhabited the lands discovered by Spanish explorers. It was Spain and the Church who went out to conquer the New World. With that in mind, the founders of this country set out to create a separation between church and state. I thought they had succeeded. sno0wl A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Well, I agree with the first few examples, although the example of the Holocaust might be questioned on the grounds that while it was indeed carried out by a Christian society and drew on anti-Semitism rooted in Christian beliefs, the architects were somewhat contemptuous of such beliefs and as far as I know, did not commit their vile act it in the name of God but to realise the pseudo-scientific goal of maintaining racial hygiene. The architects were Nazis. Nazism is a religion in its own right. However, the men who actually did the killing were mainly Lutherans, Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. The Germans wore a uniform which featured a belt buckle which said "God is with us." They killed thirteen million people in the camps alone, but the real Holocaust is what they did to Russia. They killed between twenty and fifty million Russians (depending on whose version you believe). REAL Christians, i.e., the followers of the teachings of Jesus himself, would have refused the Nazi's orders. My real gripe, however, is with your contention that current activity in Iraq is a good example of Christians taking innocent blood. You only chose that because it suits your ideological mindset. I would contend that it is somewhat removed the example of the Crusades as the decision to bomb Iraq was made by a nominally Christian politician, and not by a cleric. It isn't religiously inspired. Neither were the Crusades. They were a land grab, plain and simple. Religion was just an excuse. Religion is not the excuse in Iraq Nevertheless, religious men, men who call themselves Christians, have murdered half a million Muslims so far in their siege of Iraq. Almost all have been women and children. It doesn't matter why they did it. What matters is that they do not refuse to do it. Jesus would refuse. Why do those who claim to worship him not refuse? Is this not hypocricy? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, there is a connection between the two. After all many of the so-caled Christian holidays are, in fact, relics of earlier Pagan festivals. I would argue that ALL Christian holidays are in fact relics of earlier pagan festivals...there is not a one that didn't adopt pre-existing rituals and traditions of the previous pagan/heathen religion No one is saying anything about Satanic practices or the sacrificing of children. Aren't you jumping the gun a little and condemning a broad range of belief under the rubric of "satanism". Religious freedom must allow her to believe as she wishes, and should not be a bar to her holding a job, including teaching kids. Religious freedom applies to Satanists, too...if a Satanist (or a follower of any religion) breaks a law in the name of their religion, then utilize the LAW to prosecute that person. But the state has no right to usurp a law-abiding citizen's rights just because certain representatives of the state dislike that citizen's religion. If you allow the state to deprive a Satanist of their livelihood because of the hype certain Satanists (or those who utilize the label for the shock value but in reality know little of the actual religion) receive because of their acts, then you open the door to having Muslims fired because certain Muslims are terrorists, or to firing fundamentalist Christians because some fundamentalist Christians advocate treason... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: The Extremist Our country was founded on Christianity not Wiccan, Hinduism, etc. The founders were the sons and grandsons of over a hundred years of colonial Christian tradition. From the Charter to Sir Walter Raleigh circa. 1584, through The First Virginia Charter (1606), The Second Virginia Charter (1609), The Third Virginia Charter (1612), The Mayflower Compact (1620), The Charter Of Massachusetts Bay (1629), to the Declaration of Independence (1776), it is plain that the American People were Christians and our forms of government were founded in the bedrock of Christian Principles. It is because of the liberty that Christian principles secure that people of other faiths have been able to freely worship in a manner they choose. Not all 'American People' were Christians. Not even all colonists of European extraction were Christians. Not even all of the 'Founding Fathers' were active Christians. But they all recognized the slippery slope of having the state involved in the business of an individual's personal belief in a diety, or lack of belief. No one who reads the founding documents of this country can honestly say that this nation was founded on any religion other than Christianity. Go read them for yourselves before you flame me out of ignorance: I majored in American Colonial history, sir...don't lecture ME on what the 'founding documents' 'say'... This country was NOT 'founded on any religion', Christianity or otherwise. While the "bubblegum" Wiccans consider themselves a legitimate religion Where do you get off referring to them as 'bubblegum Wiccans'? Perhaps because you yourself are a bubblegum Christian? BTW, the U.S. government has recognized Wicca as a legal, and therefore 'legitimate',religion. What other religions do you deem as not being 'legitimate'. What is you guideline for such a judgement? and the Constitution affords them protection, in the matters concerning the teaching of our children, the parents have a right to demand a more traditional standard for teachers. First off, in the case under discussion, no PARENTS were involved, only the school board. Second, who determines what is 'more traditional', and if religion is not taught in the classroom, what right does any parent have to dictate what religion a teacher should pursue, or not pursue, as the case may be? Would you object to a teacher in the South Carolina public school system who practices the Hindu faith, since by community standards, such a religion is 'not traditional' for the area? The Wiccan religion is foreign to traditional American standards So is Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism...would you also advocate dismissing public school teachers who practice those faiths? What about a Native American teacher who practices a Native American religion? Again, if the teacher does not teach their religion in school (which all public school teachers are precluded from doing, even Christian teachers), what does it matter what faith they profess? and many of their beliefs undermine the moral and societal bonds that keep a free nation free. It is a slave religion based in ignorance, fear, and wishful thinking. How so? Give me particulars. You can't, because you display your woeful ignorance of what Wicca really is. On a personal note, I live 15 miles from Scotland High School, the school that canned the witch, and I can tell you the people of this area do not want witches teaching their kids. Oh...you polled each and every person in the 15 mile radius of the school? There was a time most people of your area supported slavery, too. And after the Civil War, supported segregation, and the lynching of any blacks deemed 'too uppity'... Again, even if what you say is true, you all have NO LEGAL BASIS TO FIRE SOMEONE BASED ON THEIR RELIGION! You're breaking the law doing that. And again, I find your cavalier attitude to the human rights made sacrosanct by the Constitution and Bill of Rights frightening, and sickening June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: "pennie hammons" [EMAIL PROTECTED] It matters not a whit what our CURRENCY (which really has no more value than the paper it's printed on) says... Hey June, then I'll trade you my ones for a bunch of hundreds...? Don't have any at hand. But you seem to feel that there is some real VALUE to our money. Without gold or silver to back it up, it's really worthless. But that all begs the question of what was being discussed...which I notice you conveniently ignored. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Sorry to break the news to you, Extremist, but Thomas Jefferson definitely wasn't a Christian--he was a Deist. Read any biography of him. The Declaration of Independence never refers to "Christ" or "Jesus". The first paragraph references "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God". That's the Deist conception of God. I couldn't find reference to any of those names in the Constitution, either. And I am extremely grateful and thankful to our ancestors for creating a framework that protects the religious rights of EVERYONE. David Rupp Get caught up in The Web of Fate at http://pages.whowhere.com/arts/david.rupp/home.html. - From: The Extremist[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 1:12 AM Subject:Re: Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED! I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ. -Thomas Jefferson A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: that you can make a connection between paganism and Christianity. Freedom of Religeon, I guess, is a little too broad and outdated for our immoral society. If a Satanist sacrifices a child, he can't claim "religeous freedom", can he? I am shocked and saddened that you have been so indoctrinated in the ideology of your faith that you (1.) can't tell a pagan from a Satanist and (2.) think that Satanists sacrifice children. Even if they did, Christendom has far too much innocent blood on its hands to criticize anybody else for killing babies. Aside from Crusades, the Inquisition, the Holocaust and the slaughter of New World indiginents, consider Iraq. Three or four days a week for nearly a decade now (mostly) Christian bomber pilots have rained death on Iraq and (mostly) Christian sailors have blockaded Iraqi ports. Nearly a half million Iraqi civilians have died, most of them slowly and painfully. Almost all have been women and children. And for what have they been sacrificed? Oil company profits. It is, at the very least, obscene. To REAL Christians, i.e. the followers of the teachings of Jesus himself, it is an abomination. To the vast majority of people who call themselves "Christians" it is apparently not worthy of outrage. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Actually, I spent 20 minutes writing my reply to you when my husband rolled over in bed and hit the keyboard with his hand. I don't know what he pushed but it deleted everything I'd written and I was too tired and mad at losing it to rewrite the whole thing. It was really good by the way... From: Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED! Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:03:24 -0800 -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: "pennie hammons" [EMAIL PROTECTED] It matters not a whit what our CURRENCY (which really has no more value than the paper it's printed on) says... Hey June, then I'll trade you my ones for a bunch of hundreds...? Don't have any at hand. But you seem to feel that there is some real VALUE to our money. Without gold or silver to back it up, it's really worthless. But that all begs the question of what was being discussed...which I notice you conveniently ignored. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- You are all so pathetic. I'm sure glad four of you had to point out to me that wiccans aren't satanists. First of all, I didn't say they were. It was an example, just like Nessie's ridiculous example of Christians bombing Iraq. So it is the Christian church that is attacking Iraq? I was just sure it was the US miltary. Well, if they are all Christians, then you must be saying that this is a Christian nation!!!Thanks for proving Extremist's point. From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED! Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:39:03 -0800 -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: that you can make a connection between paganism and Christianity. Freedom of Religeon, I guess, is a little too broad and outdated for our immoral society. If a Satanist sacrifices a child, he can't claim "religeous freedom", can he? I am shocked and saddened that you have been so indoctrinated in the ideology of your faith that you (1.) can't tell a pagan from a Satanist and (2.) think that Satanists sacrifice children. Even if they did, Christendom has far too much innocent blood on its hands to criticize anybody else for killing babies. Aside from Crusades, the Inquisition, the Holocaust and the slaughter of New World indiginents, consider Iraq. Three or four days a week for nearly a decade now (mostly) Christian bomber pilots have rained death on Iraq and (mostly) Christian sailors have blockaded Iraqi ports. Nearly a half million Iraqi civilians have died, most of them slowly and painfully. Almost all have been women and children. And for what have they been sacrificed? Oil company profits. It is, at the very least, obscene. To REAL Christians, i.e. the followers of the teachings of Jesus himself, it is an abomination. To the vast majority of people who call themselves "Christians" it is apparently not worthy of outrage. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- But they DO teach religion in the public schools, at least in New Jersey. I pulled my son out of public school and now home school him. I got tired of a) nature worship (aka environmental extremism and anthropomorphism) being forced down his throat; and I also became incensed because they portray white Christian males as the root of all evil. I am married to a white Christian male. I am the mother of 2 white Christian males. I resent my husband and sons being classified as evil because of something SOME white Christian males did in the past. Stereotypes are not healthy, regardless of who the "stereotypee" is. Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Ok, so you don't have any hundreds? Fine.give me the gold, instead! snort __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 1/14/00 1:06:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While the "bubblegum" Wiccans consider themselves a legitimate religion and the Constitution affords them protection, in the matters concerning the teaching of our children, the parents have a right to demand a more traditional standard for teachers. The Wiccan religion is foreign to traditional American standards and many of their beliefs undermine the moral and societal bonds that keep a free nation free. It is a slave religion based in ignorance, fear, and wishful thinking. A "slave religion based in ignorance, fear, and wishful thinking" could easily describe Christianity which was originally a slave religion, and which is based today in much ignorance of its true teachings, and is bounded in fear of the consequences of not "living rightly", and holding to wishful thinking about the supposed second coming of a "savior". School is not about the teaching of any of these things, perhaps some teachers in your home town school are practicing Wiccans, or Satanists for that matter, who keep their religion hidden to avoid this type of scrutiny. It doesn't interfere with their teaching jobs, and it shouldn't. Many people would not want the Christian dogma and religion handed to their children in schools either. That is why religion has no place in the school system. I don't say this to demean any religion, not Wiccanism, or Christianity, both of which should be afforded the same rights. Neither of which should be taught in schools. It all depends on ones outlook and perspective as to which religion is the "right" one and which is "heathen". What is right for you may not be "right" for someone else and may offer no spiritual truth to them. This is precisely why religion freedom must be the rule and why this person should be allowed to practice Wiccanism OPENLY and to be allowed to keep her job as well. ** *** "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, "The Matrix". "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity, and it is not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but someday the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu" A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- pennie hammons wrote: You are all so pathetic. I'm sure glad four of you had to point out to me that wiccans aren't satanists. First of all, I didn't say they were. It was an example, just like Nessie's ridiculous example of Christians bombing Iraq. So it is the Christian church that is attacking Iraq? I was just sure it was the US miltary. Well, if they are all Christians, then you must be saying that this is a Christian nation!!!Thanks for proving Extremist's point. Talking about pathetic - once you learn to spell religion and religious maybe people will take you more seriously. But I doubt it. Kelly From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED! Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:39:03 -0800 -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: that you can make a connection between paganism and Christianity. Freedom of Religeon, I guess, is a little too broad and outdated for our immoral society. If a Satanist sacrifices a child, he can't claim "religeous freedom", can he? I am shocked and saddened that you have been so indoctrinated in the ideology of your faith that you (1.) can't tell a pagan from a Satanist and (2.) think that Satanists sacrifice children. Even if they did, Christendom has far too much innocent blood on its hands to criticize anybody else for killing babies. Aside from Crusades, the Inquisition, the Holocaust and the slaughter of New World indiginents, consider Iraq. Three or four days a week for nearly a decade now (mostly) Christian bomber pilots have rained death on Iraq and (mostly) Christian sailors have blockaded Iraqi ports. Nearly a half million Iraqi civilians have died, most of them slowly and painfully. Almost all have been women and children. And for what have they been sacrificed? Oil company profits. It is, at the very least, obscene. To REAL Christians, i.e. the followers of the teachings of Jesus himself, it is an abomination. To the vast majority of people who call themselves "Christians" it is apparently not worthy of outrage. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Jelly, you are obliviously much morer learned than me is. I couldn't care less WHO takes me seriously, that was never my goal. And "but I doubt it" is not a complete sentence, Miss Smarty Pants. From: Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED! Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:51:41 -0500 -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- pennie hammons wrote: You are all so pathetic. I'm sure glad four of you had to point out to me that wiccans aren't satanists. First of all, I didn't say they were. It was an example, just like Nessie's ridiculous example of Christians bombing Iraq. So it is the Christian church that is attacking Iraq? I was just sure it was the US miltary. Well, if they are all Christians, then you must be saying that this is a Christian nation!!!Thanks for proving Extremist's point. Talking about pathetic - once you learn to spell religion and religious maybe people will take you more seriously. But I doubt it. Kelly From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED! Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:39:03 -0800 -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: that you can make a connection between paganism and Christianity. Freedom of Religeon, I guess, is a little too broad and outdated for our immoral society. If a Satanist sacrifices a child, he can't claim "religeous freedom", can he? I am shocked and saddened that you have been so indoctrinated in the ideology of your faith that you (1.) can't tell a pagan from a Satanist and (2.) think that Satanists sacrifice children. Even if they did, Christendom has far too much innocent blood on its hands to criticize anybody else for killing babies. Aside from Crusades, the Inquisition, the Holocaust and the slaughter of New World indiginents, consider Iraq. Three or four days a week for nearly a decade now (mostly) Christian bomber pilots have rained death on Iraq and (mostly) Christian sailors have blockaded Iraqi ports. Nearly a half million Iraqi civilians have died, most of them slowly and painfully. Almost all have been women and children. And for what have they been sacrificed? Oil company profits. It is, at the very least, obscene. To REAL Christians, i.e. the followers of the teachings of Jesus himself, it is an abomination. To the vast majority of people who call themselves "Christians" it is apparently not worthy of outrage. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: The Constitution and Bill of Rights applies equally to Satanists The leading Satanist organization in America today, the Temple of Set, is led by a serving officer in the United States military, a psy-war specialist named Lt. Col Michael Aquino. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: It was an example, just like Nessie's ridiculous example of Christians bombing Iraq. So it is the Christian church that is attacking Iraq? I was just sure it was the US military. Well, if they are all Christians, then you must be saying that this is a Christian nation!!! You're misquoting me. I specifically stated that they were "mostly" Christians. It's rude to misquote people. What's more, it makes you look really, really stupid and more than a little dishonest. Give it up. I also recommend that you go back to school and take Logic 101 over again. You didn't get it the first time around, not by a long shot. A semester or two of the basic principles of debate wouldn't hurt either. If you want to play the game, first learn the rules. Otherwise, you lose. And another thing: by only groaning when your ox is gored you also look a lot like a flaming hypocrite, i.e. a typical Christian. They tiny handful of Christians who aren't flaming hypocrites would do well to disassociate themselves from the likes of you. You yourself would do well to study the teachings of Jesus. He spoke out, and acted out, against hypocrisy his entire ministry. He reviled those who "pray aloud on the street corner." He praised the good Samaritan, even Samaritans are by definition practitioners of a minority, dissident religion. He shamed away those about to stone a woman accused of adultery. His last act in public was to drive one batch of hypocrites from the Temple by force. He would most certainly have spoken out against a bigot like you. He was that kind of guy. Thinking like yours is diametrically opposite to his teachings. Thinking like yours is what gave us over a millennium and a half of religious warfare and persecution. Thinking like yours is primitive, barbaric and a menace to peace and liberty. Get over it. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- So our country is "mostly" Christian, I beg your forgiveness for my misquote. As for me being a bigot, what a joke. You used the old liberal standby for anyone who disagrees with you. Just lovely. It stands to reason that you studied Logic 101 and Debate in our fine liberal establishments, you are a product of their brainwashing. From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED! Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:43:44 -0800 -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: It was an example, just like Nessie's ridiculous example of Christians bombing Iraq. So it is the Christian church that is attacking Iraq? I was just sure it was the US military. Well, if they are all Christians, then you must be saying that this is a Christian nation!!! You're misquoting me. I specifically stated that they were "mostly" Christians. It's rude to misquote people. What's more, it makes you look really, really stupid and more than a little dishonest. Give it up. I also recommend that you go back to school and take Logic 101 over again. You didn't get it the first time around, not by a long shot. A semester or two of the basic principles of debate wouldn't hurt either. If you want to play the game, first learn the rules. Otherwise, you lose. And another thing: by only groaning when your ox is gored you also look a lot like a flaming hypocrite, i.e. a typical Christian. They tiny handful of Christians who aren't flaming hypocrites would do well to disassociate themselves from the likes of you. You yourself would do well to study the teachings of Jesus. He spoke out, and acted out, against hypocrisy his entire ministry. He reviled those who "pray aloud on the street corner." He praised the good Samaritan, even Samaritans are by definition practitioners of a minority, dissident religion. He shamed away those about to stone a woman accused of adultery. His last act in public was to drive one batch of hypocrites from the Temple by force. He would most certainly have spoken out against a bigot like you. He was that kind of guy. Thinking like yours is diametrically opposite to his teachings. Thinking like yours is what gave us over a millennium and a half of religious warfare and persecution. Thinking like yours is primitive, barbaric and a menace to peace and liberty. Get over it. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: "pennie hammons" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually, I spent 20 minutes writing my reply to you when my husband rolled over in bed and hit the keyboard with his hand. I don't know what he pushed but it deleted everything I'd written and I was too tired and mad at losing it to rewrite the whole thing. It was really good by the way... I doubt it, if your previous spoutings are any gauge... But your recounting your little domestic mis-a-scene is very revealing of why you are the way you are...the rest of us have better things to do with our husbands in bed than than play with the Internet ;-) June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I could swear our currency still says "In God We Trust", not goddess. Here's my outrage...that you can make a connection between paganism and Christianity. Freedom of Religeon, I guess, is a little too broad and outdated for our immoral society. If a Satanist sacrifices a child, he can't claim "religeous freedom", can he? I am shocked that this has happened, but only because I can't believe the school system still has enough common sense to get rid of her. From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED! Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:00:07 -0800 -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Yeah, where's the outrage? If this were a Christian being persecuted the howls would be heard clear to the moon. Why did I have to hear about this here and not on the evening news? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- pennie hammons wrote: I could swear our currency still says "In God We Trust", not goddess. Here's my outrage...that you can make a connection between paganism and Christianity. Freedom of Religeon, I guess, is a little too broad and outdated for our immoral society. If a Satanist sacrifices a child, he can't claim "religeous freedom", can he? I am shocked that this has happened, but only because I can't believe the school system still has enough common sense to get rid of her. Paganism is not Satanism. In fact, Pagans don't believe in Satan. Satan is a Christian idea. Kelly A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: "pennie hammons" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I could swear our currency still says "In God We Trust", not goddess. Here's my outrage...that you can make a connection between paganism and Christianity. Freedom of Religeon, I guess, is a little too broad and outdated for our immoral society. If a Satanist sacrifices a child, he can't claim "religeous freedom", can he? I am shocked that this has happened, but only because I can't believe the school system still has enough common sense to get rid of her. It matters not a whit what our CURRENCY (which really has no more value than the paper it's printed on) says...our CONSTITUTION and BILL OF RIGHTS states that the government shall make no laws establishing a religion, NOR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF... Therefore, these PUBLIC officials representing the public school system have absolutely no right to dismiss this teacher because she is a Wiccan... And what justification do YOU offer for her being fired? Do you also feel that teachers who are Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus, should be fired too, because they worship a different diety (or set of dieties) than you do? Your cavalier attitude toward the Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights is frightening, not to mention sickening... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: "Kelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I could swear our currency still says "In God We Trust", not goddess. Here's my outrage...that you can make a connection between paganism and Christianity. Freedom of Religeon, I guess, is a little too broad and outdated for our immoral society. If a Satanist sacrifices a child, he can't claim "religeous freedom", can he? I am shocked that this has happened, but only because I can't believe the school system still has enough common sense to get rid of her. Paganism is not Satanism. In fact, Pagans don't believe in Satan. Satan is a Christian idea. Very true. But besides the point. The Constitution and Bill of Rights applies equally to Satanists as it does to Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus, Native American religions, Unitarians, Wiccans, Dianists, Crowleyites, Voudouns, Santerians, and atheists (just to name a few)... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: "Kelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I could swear our currency still says "In God We Trust", not goddess. Here's my outrage...that you can make a connection between paganism and Christianity. Freedom of Religeon, I guess, is a little too broad and outdated for our immoral society. If a Satanist sacrifices a child, he can't claim "religeous freedom", can he? I am shocked that this has happened, but only because I can't believe the school system still has enough common sense to get rid of her. Paganism is not Satanism. In fact, Pagans don't believe in Satan. Satan is a Christian idea. Very true. But besides the point. The Constitution and Bill of Rights applies equally to Satanists as it does to Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus, Native American religions, Unitarians, Wiccans, Dianists, Crowleyites, Voudouns, Santerians, and atheists (just to name a few)... I don't think what I was saying was beside the point, June. You made an excellent point about religious freedom and the US Constitution - but it seems to me that people must educate themselves, at least in a rudimentary sense, to foster understanding and tolerance of the myriad beliefs floating about the world. Because if people don't do that, your Constitution is nothing but a piece of paper too. Kelly A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 1/13/00 2:07:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I could swear our currency still says "In God We Trust", not goddess. Here's my outrage...that you can make a connection between paganism and Christianity. Freedom of Religeon, I guess, is a little too broad and outdated for our immoral society. If a Satanist sacrifices a child, he can't claim "religeous freedom", can he? I am shocked that this has happened, but only because I can't believe the school system still has enough common sense to get rid of her. Well, there is a connection between the two. After all many of the so-caled Christian holidays are, in fact, relics of earlier Pagan festivals. No one is saying anything about Satanic practices or the sacrificing of children. Aren't you jumping the gun a little and condemning a broad range of belief under the rubric of "satanism". Religious freedom must allow her to believe as she wishes, and should not be a bar to her holding a job, including teaching kids. ** *** "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, "The Matrix". "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity, and it is not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but someday the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu" A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
At 01:26 AM 1/14/00 , you wrote: It matters not a whit what our CURRENCY (which really has no more value than the paper it's printed on) says...our CONSTITUTION and BILL OF RIGHTS states that the government shall make no laws establishing a religion, NOR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF... Therefore, these PUBLIC officials representing the public school system have absolutely no right to dismiss this teacher because she is a Wiccan... And what justification do YOU offer for her being fired? Do you also feel that teachers who are Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus, should be fired too, because they worship a different diety (or set of dieties) than you do? Your cavalier attitude toward the Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights is frightening, not to mention sickening... June Our country was founded on Christianity not Wiccan, Hinduism, etc. The founders were the sons and grandsons of over a hundred years of colonial Christian tradition. From the Charter to Sir Walter Raleigh circa. 1584, through The First Virginia Charter (1606), The Second Virginia Charter (1609), The Third Virginia Charter (1612), The Mayflower Compact (1620), The Charter Of Massachusetts Bay (1629), to the Declaration of Independence (1776), it is plain that the American People were Christians and our forms of government were founded in the bedrock of Christian Principles. It is because of the liberty that Christian principles secure that people of other faiths have been able to freely worship in a manner they choose. No one who reads the founding documents of this country can honestly say that this nation was founded on any religion other than Christianity. Go read them for yourselves before you flame me out of ignorance: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6627/xushistdoc.html While the bubblegum Wiccans consider themselves a legitimate religion and the Constitution affords them protection, in the matters concerning the teaching of our children, the parents have a right to demand a more traditional standard for teachers. The Wiccan religion is foreign to traditional American standards and many of their beliefs undermine the moral and societal bonds that keep a free nation free. It is a slave religion based in ignorance, fear, and wishful thinking. On a personal note, I live 15 miles from Scotland High School, the school that canned the witch, and I can tell you the people of this area do not want witches teaching their kids. Were we founded on Christian Principles? What did the signers of our most important Document, the Declaration of Independence say? We have this day restored the Sovereign to Whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His Kingdom come. First of all, I . . . rely upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins. -Samuel Adams(Father of the American Revolution), at the signing of the Declaration of Independence. I am constrained to express my adoration of . . . the Author of my existence . . . [for] His forgiving mercy revealed to the world through Jesus Christ, through whom I hope for never ending happiness in a future state. -Robert Treat Paine, Signer of the Declaration I think it proper here not only to subscribe to . . . doctrines of the Christian religion . . . but also, in the bowels of a father's affection, to exhort and charge them [my children] that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, that the way of life held up in the Christian system is calculated for the most complete happiness. -Richard Stockton, Signer of the Declaration On the mercy of my Redeemer I rely for salvation and on His merits; not on the works I have done in obedience to His precepts. [11] -Charles Carroll, Signer of the Declaration My only hope of salvation is in the infinite, transcendent love of God manifested to the world by the death of His Son upon the Cross. Nothing but His blood will wash away my sins. I rely exclusively upon it. Come, Lord Jesus! Come quickly! -Benjamin Rush, Signer of the Declaration I believe that there is one only living and true God, existing in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, the same in substance, equal in power and glory. That the Scriptures of the old and new testaments are a revelation from God and a complete rule to direct us how we may glorify and enjoy Him. [15] -Roger Sherman, Signer of both the Declaration and the Constitution I shall now entreat . . . you in the most earnest manner to believe in Jesus Christ, for there is no salvation in any other [Acts 4:12]. . . . [I]f you are not clothed with the spotless robe of His righteousness, you must forever perish. -John Witherspoon, Signer of the Declaration How about some other famous American founders: I resign my soul into the hands of the Almighty who gave it in humble hopes of his mercy through our Savior Jesus Christ. -Gabriel Duvall, U.S. Supreme Court Justice; selected as delegate to Constitutional
Re: [CTRL] [ChristianPatriot] Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
Yep, the Founders were Christian. And they were also quite clear. For get the 1st Amendment. Read what they said in the Original: Article 6, Clause 3 "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." Now, I want to repeat this, because the Founders seem to be very clear. "BUT NO RELIGIOUS TEST SHALL EVER BE REQUIRED AS A QUALIFICATION TO ANY OFFICE OR PUBLIC TRUST UNDER THE UNITED STATES." I believe in original intent (or as Jack Rakove has proven so well original intents, as every had their own indidivudlal minds). I believe that a religious test for a teacher, a politician or whatever is DEAD BANG WRONG. And I think the Founders would agree with me. Had they known the level to which religious tests would have been used to gun after teachers, etc. I have no doubt they'd have expanded the defintion. __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 From: The Extremist [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 01:26 AM 1/14/00 , you wrote: It matters not a whit what our CURRENCY (which really has no more value than the paper it's printed on) says...our CONSTITUTION and BILL OF RIGHTS states that the government shall make no laws establishing a religion, NOR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF... Therefore, these PUBLIC officials representing the public school system have absolutely no right to dismiss this teacher because she is a Wiccan... And what justification do YOU offer for her being fired? Do you also feel that teachers who are Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus, should be fired too, because they worship a different diety (or set of dieties) than you do? Your cavalier attitude toward the Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights is frightening, not to mention sickening... June Our country was founded on Christianity not Wiccan, Hinduism, etc. The founders were the sons and grandsons of over a hundred years of colonial Christian tradition. From the Charter to Sir Walter Raleigh circa. 1584, through The First Virginia Charter (1606), The Second Virginia Charter (1609), The Third Virginia Charter (1612), The Mayflower Compact (1620), The Charter Of Massachusetts Bay (1629), to the Declaration of Independence (1776), it is plain that the American People were Christians and our forms of government were founded in the bedrock of Christian Principles. It is because of the liberty that Christian principles secure that people of other faiths have been able to freely worship in a manner they choose. No one who reads the founding documents of this country can honestly say that this nation was founded on any religion other than Christianity. Go read them for yourselves before you flame me out of ignorance: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6627/xushistdoc.html While the bubblegum Wiccans consider themselves a legitimate religion and the Constitution affords them protection, in the matters concerning the teaching of our children, the parents have a right to demand a more traditional standard for teachers. The Wiccan religion is foreign to traditional American standards and many of their beliefs undermine the moral and societal bonds that keep a free nation free. It is a slave religion based in ignorance, fear, and wishful thinking. On a personal note, I live 15 miles from Scotland High School, the school that canned the witch, and I can tell you the people of this area do not want witches teaching their kids. Were we founded on Christian Principles? What did the signers of our most important Document, the Declaration of Independence say? We have this day restored the Sovereign to Whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His Kingdom come. First of all, I . . . rely upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins. -Samuel Adams(Father of the American Revolution), at the signing of the Declaration of Independence. I am constrained to express my adoration of . . . the Author of my existence . . . [for] His forgiving mercy revealed to the world through Jesus Christ, through whom I hope for never ending happiness in a future state. -Robert Treat Paine, Signer of the Declaration I think it proper here not only to subscribe to . . . doctrines of the Christian religion . . . but also, in the bowels of a father's affection, to exhort and charge them [my children] that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, that the way of life held up in the Christian system is calculated for the most complete happiness. -Richard Stockton, Signer of the Declaration On the mercy of my Redeemer I rely for salvation and on His merits;
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- The Extremist wrote: Our country was founded on Christianity not Wiccan, Hinduism, etc. The founders were the sons and grandsons of over a hundred years of colonial Christian tradition. Yes, what a lot of people the world over forget is that the USA is perhaps the most religious country in the world. It has more churches per capita than any other nation. Yet other countries view it as a more 'Hollywood' manifestation. So, from an outsiders view, it seems a deeply conflicted society - one of incredlibly deep religious beliefs, and one of incredibly - well, just anything goes. So as an outsider looking in, I often wonder how these two disparent views co-exisit. I get the feeling they don't. In terms of conspiracy, well, sometimes I think that people feel threatened when their beliefs are called into question. People are usually born into a belief system and when that is rocked, look out. Kelly A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Yeah, where's the outrage? If this were a Christian being persecuted the howls would be heard clear to the moon. Why did I have to hear about this here and not on the evening news? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 1/12/00 8:01:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah, where's the outrage? If this were a Christian being persecuted the howls would be heard clear to the moon. Why did I have to hear about this here and not on the evening news? I agree. Obviously "Pagan" religions such as Wicca are viewed (still) as insignificant and lacking in political POWER thus there are no advocates (read: people who get a LOT OF MONEY to defend your rights) to protect it in society. I hold that there would be outrage if this person practiced ANY "mainstream" politically aware religion. ** *** "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, "The Matrix". "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity, and it is not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but someday the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu" A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
