Re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread maya
GPUs have special routines for 'put this image on top of another surface', and they're used for fonts. xf86-video-vesa doesn't, it's doing things in an inefficient way in software, but it probably allows for more checks about whether we're still inside the surface boundaries.

Re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread John D. Baker
On Thu, 30 May 2019, m...@netbsd.org wrote: > GPUs have special routines for 'put this image on top of another > surface', and they're used for fonts. > > xf86-video-vesa doesn't, it's doing things in an inefficient way in > software, but it probably allows for more checks about whether we're >

daily CVS update output

2019-05-29 Thread NetBSD source update
Updating src tree: P src/external/gpl3/gdb/dist/gdb/aarch64-nbsd-nat.c P src/external/gpl3/gdb/dist/gdb/alpha-bsd-nat.c P src/external/gpl3/gdb/dist/gdb/arm-nbsd-nat.c P src/external/gpl3/gdb/dist/gdb/bsd-kvm.c P src/external/gpl3/gdb/dist/gdb/configure.nat P

Fwd: port-amd64/43309: VX800 and CN896-VT8237S is not configured in RAID mode

2019-05-29 Thread Andrius V
Hi, I am forwarding my email regarding my own old PR/43309 to current-users, possibly it will have better visibility here. I wrote a small patch which should fix: * VX800 IDE will set correct UDMA mode. (VX855 should too, but can't test) * If RAID mode is selected in BIOS (in my board), disks

Re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread Kamil Rytarowski
On 29.05.2019 11:41, Kamil Rytarowski wrote: > On 29.05.2019 09:12, Martin Husemann wrote: >> Hey folks, >> >> I would like to get your feedback about the current state of the base X11, >> as there have been lots of threads about various issues and I have lost >> the overview of what works in

Re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread nia
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 09:12:42AM +0200, Martin Husemann wrote: > So what is you story/opinion: is base X11 usable in -current? If not, > what needs to be done or what hardware needs fixes? Mostly, yeah. It was very broken in 8.0, and MesaLib and video-intel updates mean I no longer need to use

Re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread Robert Swindells
Martin Husemann wrote: >I would like to get your feedback about the current state of the base X11, >as there have been lots of threads about various issues and I have lost >the overview of what works in -current and what does not. >We *really* need to branch netbsd-9 very soon now, and it is

Re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread Robert Swindells
Paul Goyette wrote: >I am curious why we need to apparently build all of the LLVM stuff for a >release? If LLVM is needed as part of the build, it should be built as >host tools; I don't understand why we _also_ need to build LLVM for the >target machine. (And, if the answer to this is YES,

Re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread Michael van Elst
jdba...@consolidated.net ("John D. Baker") writes: >The glitches in 'xdm' input fields are annoying. While only cosmetic, >they may have a negative impact on external perceptions of NetBSD. Yes, ancient code, that wasn't far from perfect, got "improved". But it should be easy to fix. >The

Re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread Jason Thorpe
> On May 29, 2019, at 5:36 AM, Paul Goyette wrote: > > I am curious why we need to apparently build all of the LLVM stuff for a > release? If LLVM is needed as part of the build, it should be built as > host tools; I don't understand why we _also_ need to build LLVM for the > target machine.

Re: Fwd: port-amd64/43309: VX800 and CN896-VT8237S is not configured in RAID mode

2019-05-29 Thread Michael van Elst
vezh...@gmail.com (Andrius V) writes: >current-users, possibly it will have better visibility here. I wrote a >small patch which should fix: >* VX800 IDE will set correct UDMA mode. (VX855 should too, but can't test) That shouldn't be a problem to apply. >* If RAID mode is selected in BIOS

Re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread John D. Baker
The glitches in 'xdm' input fields are annoying. While only cosmetic, they may have a negative impact on external perceptions of NetBSD. The functional issue is with the xf86-video-intel driver. It does not work on any of my amd64 systems using intel graphics devices. (It does work well on

Re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread Paul Goyette
Well, my problems are not with X but with in-kernel nouveau driver. I have noted my issues several times in the past: * GTX 1050-Ti not supported, so I have to use vga kernel driver. * Shutting down xdm(8) normally results in a totally black screen with no control, and no ability even

Re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread Thomas Klausner
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 07:27:32AM -0500, John D. Baker wrote: > The > couple of times I've fired up 'mpv' it worked but seemed to complain > about software rendering and dumped core on exit. In my experience, mpv always dumps core when exiting, but it's a problem in X. When using modular X, the

re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread matthew green
> >The functional issue is with the xf86-video-intel driver. It does not > >work on any of my amd64 systems using intel graphics devices. (It does > >work well on older i386 systems using real i82915 chips or ancient i82810e > >device). > > It seems to work on my laptop (Sandy Bridge graphics).

Re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread maya
what intel graphics do you have? what is failing with xf86-video-intel?

re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread matthew green
Martin Husemann writes: > Hey folks, > > I would like to get your feedback about the current state of the base X11, > as there have been lots of threads about various issues and I have lost > the overview of what works in -current and what does not. > > We *really* need to branch netbsd-9 very

Re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread Chavdar Ivanov
My two pennies... I use -current on an HP Envy 17 with what is reported as Intel 530 graphics. It also has an NVidia GeForce 950M chip, but this is not usable for now by NetBSD, although correctly identified. The new graphics driver together with the Mesa updates finally got me with a proper

Re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread Greg Troxel
> [*] i wonder if a hack to make to force a lower parallism for > some subdirs would help these systems. eg: > > .MAKE.PARALLEL= ${MAKE_LLVM_JOBS:U${MAKE_JOBS}} > > and the (new) .MAKE.PARALLEL would set the -jN value for this > sub-make, allowing other sub-makes to be run concurrently, > but

re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread matthew green
> * r600_dri.so (and other DRI drivers) being linked improperly. Missing > libxcb symbol errors when loading libGL with dlopen, as a lot of OpenGL > software seems inclined to do. I committed a workaround for this to SDL2 > the other day, as well as etlegacy. It's still a problem with software >

Re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread Jason Thorpe
> On May 29, 2019, at 11:02 AM, matthew green wrote: > > i was hoping to find time to bisect the intel driver tree from > the 2014-snapshot to the top of tree to find where the display > issues appeared, but perhaps we should switch back to the old > driver for now until i or someone has

Re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread Christos Zoulas
In article <26566.1559152...@splode.eterna.com.au>, matthew green wrote: >Martin Husemann writes: >> Hey folks, >> >> I would like to get your feedback about the current state of the base X11, >> as there have been lots of threads about various issues and I have lost >> the overview of what

re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread matthew green
Jason Thorpe writes: > > > > On May 29, 2019, at 11:02 AM, matthew green wrote: > > > > i was hoping to find time to bisect the intel driver tree from > > the 2014-snapshot to the top of tree to find where the display > > issues appeared, but perhaps we should switch back to the old > > driver

Failure to build liveimage/emuimage

2019-05-29 Thread Chavdar Ivanov
Hi, with sources updated an hour or so ago I get: .. /home/sysbuild/amd64/tools/bin/nbmakefs -M 1475346432 -m 1475346432 -B 1234 -F work.spec -N w ork/etc -o bsize=16384,fsize=2048,density=8192

Re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread Michael van Elst
m...@eterna.com.au (matthew green) writes: >> >The functional issue is with the xf86-video-intel driver. It does not >> >work on any of my amd64 systems using intel graphics devices. (It does >> >work well on older i386 systems using real i82915 chips or ancient i82810e >> >device). >> >> It

Re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread John D. Baker
On Wed, 29 May 2019, m...@netbsd.org wrote: > what intel graphics do you have? > what is failing with xf86-video-intel? See: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/current-users/2019/04/11/msg035551.html http://mail-index.netbsd.org/current-users/2019/04/12/msg035561.html

Re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread maya
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 05:55:26PM -0500, John D. Baker wrote: > On Wed, 29 May 2019, m...@netbsd.org wrote: > > > what intel graphics do you have? > > what is failing with xf86-video-intel? > > See: > > http://mail-index.netbsd.org/current-users/2019/04/11/msg035551.html >

Re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread Michael van Elst
chris...@astron.com (Christos Zoulas) writes: >>let's revert to the old xdm for now. this one should be easy. >>can someone work on it please? >Are those display bugs though? Or is it just that the right default >properties are not there? If it is just a properties issue, we can >fix it

Re: What to do with base X11 for netbsd-9 ?

2019-05-29 Thread John D. Baker
On Wed, 29 May 2019 20:10:19 - (UTC), mlel...@serpens.de (Michael van Elst) wrote: > It's lousy code that computes the input fields geometry wrongly. An interesting data point noted here: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/current-users/2019/04/13/msg035573.html and more importantly here:

Re: Fwd: port-amd64/43309: VX800 and CN896-VT8237S is not configured in RAID mode

2019-05-29 Thread Andrius V
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 2:57 PM Michael van Elst wrote: > > vezh...@gmail.com (Andrius V) writes: > > >current-users, possibly it will have better visibility here. I wrote a > >small patch which should fix: > >* VX800 IDE will set correct UDMA mode. (VX855 should too, but can't test) > > > That