From: Christopher Faylor
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 5:48 AM
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 10:18:59PM +0200, Hannu E K Nevalainen wrote:
you never pondered a tiny bit on _why_ I wrote the above, did you?
Bingo. You hit the nail on the head. I barely give most of the
things you write more than
and in name completions (will work for anything *in* /home too)
and whatever you try...
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From: Brian Kelly
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I'd like to use on other machines as well - without Cygwin. Any
opinions?
cgf writes - I have
From: Corinna Vinschen
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:59 AM
On May 6 01:47, Hannu E K Nevalainen wrote:
Just a wild guess, but gethostbyname() is probably not reentrant and
can't be called from threads like that.
Unless HOST is a numeric IP address, gethostbyname should
cygwin (i.e. the cygwin1.dll) - thus m[rs] OP should be
welcome here - according to any rules I can understand. Nuff said.
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and NTFS partitions, no diff.
cygcheck output not checked
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- no virii ;-) knock on wood!)
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Problem
, recently updated but still with the 20040420 snapshot dll.
Running on Win 2K advanced server, SP4 plus updates.
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Eric Lassauge said:
I had problems with gettext enabled programs when
running
Cygwin with a french locale
(LANG=fr;LC_ALL=fr;LC_CTYPE=iso-8859-1), all
translated
messages containing special characters (0x160 to
0x255 :
letters with accent,
grave,...) where bad: é (small e acute) was
From: Christopher Faylor
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 12:48 AM
On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 08:29:44PM +0200, Hannu E K Nevalainen wrote:
From: cygwin-owner-SPLAT-cygwin-BOP-com
[mailto:cygwin-owner-ETC-]On Behalf
There is no reason to inform people that cygwin-owner was somehow
involved
From: Frank Slootweg
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 11:20 AM
Hannu E K Nevalainen wrote:
From: [deleted] On Behalf Of Frank Slootweg
FWIW:
$ cat ~/.Xdefaults
# XTerm == rxvt as rxvt simulates xterm
rxvt.background:black
rxvt.foreground:grey
rxvt.visualBell
prompt
D:\ D:
D:\ cd temp
D:\temp\ deltree /y
...
...did the trick.
Might it work from any cmd/command prompt using *short* filenames?
stop
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that I currently
am too lazy to look up. (man/info rxvt?)
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writing should give some ahaaa-s here and there...
e.g: I have a central installation of cygwin at work, which I can run from
any computer - using the described trick in a simple way. (Not tried any X
things yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if it worked.)
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; \
\$COLUMNS unset in bash (PID:$$) dispite sending SIGWINCH!
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on to a new batch
instead ;-) )?
At least add a link to the snapshot from the main page, please.
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of the WJM stuff appearing
here now and then (I leave for others to judge how well it fits. Case closed
IMO).
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,noumount)
blah, blah
C:\Program\Cygwin\binexit
$
...your previous cygwin is back again.
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then!? *JUMPING HIGH, WAVING HANDS*
grin
And once again; sources is no documentation (in case there is anything in
those).
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NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled
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invoking
d2u/u2d manually.
I can only agree with the above; I've been using this strategy for a couple
of decades - yet to be bitten hard.
My situation for a long time:
AmigaOS (LF line endings)
= versus =
MS DOS and whatever came after it (The well known CRLF line endings)
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From: Robert Collins
On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 04:29, Hannu E K Nevalainen wrote:
Assuming you do not use strange formatting/style - the
output of indent will be perfectly acceptable, I presume.
indent breaks nastily on C++. - it appears to work, but actually gets a
number of things wrong
for astyle
$ info astyle
not found
$ type -a astyle
astyle is /usr/bin/astyle
astyle is /bin/astyle
$ astyle -h
blahblah
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WRT earlier discussion regarding safety coding. I think you (Dave K) put
it wery well in this paragraph:
OTOH there's a reason why I use a command line interface, and it's
because what I give my computer are commands, not suggestions, and I
expect them to be obeyed. Anything less
is
desirable*, then why not implement it in a more robust manner and
inform the user rather than silently skipping binary files.
That's an aproach I can accept. If paired with a --force switch.
Hannu E K Nevalainen wrote:
A more foolproof (? does such a thing exist) test would be to
disallow
and try to
turn it in to
anything to unix or if you do then change the name. Just my 2
cents worth
The important part of the name is IMO ...to-unix, i.e. the use of the file
after the conversion. Hence my proposal - yet another 2 cents.
RSN it'll be a dollar. ;-)
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gonna find a safety hatch for that too?
Noo... Please, remove all of these safety checks.
There must be some kind of user sanity presupposition. Or else the tools
soon will be crippled to a state where they are unusable for normal work.
Make Backups, Not War! - MBNW! ;-P
/Hannu E K
windows).
Then capture and analyze traffic, instead of guessing. ;-)
- ethereal.com
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the special characters just fine.
eg: Include the following in ~/.profile, ~/.bashrc or some such file.
ls ()
{
command ls --show-control-chars --color --classify --no-group -k $@
}
read more:
$ man bash
/^functions
(i.e. read bash manpage, search for a line containing 'functions' as the
first
).
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it work.
Does anyone know of any reason an fopen on the
just-unlinked file would fail under Cygwin?
IIRC this has been up earlier; unlink() isn't atomic.
Search the archives:
google(site:cygwin.com inurl:ml +atomic +unlink)
might be a good start I guess.
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certain elements of $PATH that _MIGHT_ be in there when I
launch cygwin/bash. Use: source script is in my ~/.profile
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rename the above as cygwin1.dll
]
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it be that
$ getfacl /bin/bash
would give any further clues?
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problems; part of my cygwin launch script).
rxvt -e rxvt -ls -e /bin/bash --login -i
OTOH did work.
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the previously posted fds.c, slightly modified:
I can reproduce this with 1.5.9-1 (ususally 133 iterations and a core
dump).
Switching to 1.5.8-1 cygwin1.dll rasies the limit to some 3200 iterations
(no dump).
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and/or xargs on u2d/d2u - unless you
can think out a scheme how to handle the conversion automagically
(text mode mounts for Window's file access? - I got lazy here).
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to pass through...
Igor
#!/bin/sh
# wexp
# description : Launch Explorer with correct Windows path
explorer $(cygpath -w ${1:-.})
Even simpler:
$ cygstart /
Click on Folders (equal to Menu-View-Explorer Bar-Folders)
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SRC
1998-05-23 17:33 643 TRANS.TBL
11 File(s)386 412 bytes
4 Dir(s) 0 bytes free
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to not have it set; i.e. define it be somewhere else
than
on a system partition or drive, also avoiding other active drives.
Probably best set to a dedicated drive on a spare IDE chain. The lower the
spec on
your computer, the more urgent it will be - improves performance to some
degree.
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...
SEE ALSO
ncftpput(1), ncftpget(1), ncftpbatch(1), ftp(1), rcp(1), tftp(1).
LibNcFTP (http://www.ncftp.com/libncftp).
NcFTPd (http://www.ncftp.com/ncftpd).
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command to reproduce the failure? Also, when
invoking man, you don't give it the actual man page, AFAIK, but the name
of the command...
Igor
http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2003-10/msg01661.html
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Cygwin
--
$ cd /
bash: cd: /: No such file or directory
$ echo $CYGWIN
notitle glob check_case:strict
$
--
$ cd /
$ echo $CYGWIN
notitle glob check_case:strict
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From: Christopher Faylor
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 11:09 PM
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 09:08:01PM +0100, Hannu E K Nevalainen wrote:
A peculiar problem, this:
I can reproduce it with 1.5.7-1 and the snapshot listed below.
Others _not_
verified.
The workaround *seems* to be to enclose
I successfully installed Cygwin/X (on Jan 28, 2004) on my Win98SE (with
latest patches) PC. I execute startxwin.bat, which starts up an xterm
running bash. It works great until I drag select a portion of the screen.
When I click in the screen again, unhighlighting the selected area, the
window
and you'll be
spared
the md5 checksum checking too.
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window and at least in part for the
printer).
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I am able to copy between X11 and WinXp when i start xwinclip or Xwin with
the clipboard option.
Here's the problem I can no longer highlight text in X11 for deletion.
Once I highlight the text it is copied to the clipboard and the highlight
disappears.
How do I resolve this?
I'm connecting to
How can one capture an image of cygwin window into a winxp clipboard and
then print/edit etc?
How can one capture an image of cygwin window into a winxp clipboard and
then print/edit etc?
I'm able to do this (using netpbm) but can I pipe to a clipboard area?
xwd | xwdtopnm | pnmtopng /cygdrive/d/TEMP/screen.png
I don't have /dev directory at all
I wasn't very clear, how do I copy this to WinXP's clipboard?
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Haisam K. Ido wrote:
How can one capture an image of cygwin window into a winxp clipboard
and
then print/edit etc?
I'm able to do this (using netpbm) but can I
, your bottom is still behind you in
translation)
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Where can I find xpr for cygwin? Should'nt this be a standard utiltiy
within cygwin? Is it a licensing issue?
.
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-cygwin(gcc) compiled binaries from
cygwin (shell and console) can have effects like this. I'd call it a minor
incompatibility between the runtime libraries.
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code as it seems to me. What happens if you feed this to cygwin1.dll/cygwin
runtime routines - interference?
NEWBIE:
Using -mno-cygwin - cygwin1.dll not involved - expect more
windows-like or compatible handling of stuff like this.
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did, read and follow instructions here:
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be either cmd or bash
with any options you might like...
When you've launcehd either cmd or bash, you're running as the SYSTEM user
and will *probably* have more success deleting any undeletable files.
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From: Christopher Faylor
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 4:58 PM
On Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 04:52:19PM +0100, Hannu E K Nevalainen wrote:
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Or, you could use the functionality I added here:
http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin
hello everbody ,
i had problem in cygwim i was try to install libpcap-0.8.1
but i have this message
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /home/tmp/libpcap-0.8.1
$ ./configure
loading
I am developing a program on Cygwin.
(BI got "Segmentation fault (core dumped)."
(B
(B./pa -f sonsi05.pit -r -l256
(BSegmentation fault (core dumped)
(B
(BI tried gdb like below.
(B
(B(gdb) run
(BStarting program: /cygdrive/c/root/rd/pa/pa.exe -f
(Bsonsi05.pit -r -l256
(B757
in the ADMINISTRIVIA and META marked
threads seems as good ideas - some even better than the above. Great
thinking Chris!
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'knows about' Linux).
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From: Larry Hall
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 7:23 PM
At 05:24 PM 12/13/2003, Hannu E K Nevalainen you wrote:
From: Larry Hall
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I'm a little confused
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:09:39 -0800 Steve Kelem [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Problem 1:
When I run man man, all the escape sequences show up in less (version 381):
ESC[1mNAMEESC[0m
man - format and display the on=line manual pages
I too have this problem as of Ded 13. Is
another time when I'm
wrong - at least to some extent.
Might I ask where this functionality of setup is documented?
Not /u/s/d/cygwin-doc-1.3/html/cygwin-ug-net/setup-net.html as it seems.
And please:
source is *not* documentation, independently of how readable it is.
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then?
Please, don't even mention this anymore, that's real bad programming IMO.
Not very likely to end up in something viable.
There got to be better, future-safe, flexible and extendable aproaches to
this. A good *attempt* at this was presented above IMO.
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-lkernel32 -lad
vapi32 -lshell32 -lgcc /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.1/crtend.o
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/tests bash (P)PID=(152)2356, s=0
$ a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/tests bash (P)PID=(152)2356, s=0
$
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Hi!
I just now had the same problem that David T-G reported long ago.
My diagnosis:
Somehow Harold had installed libintl1,
but David hadn't, cause he'd used the Default settings.
The symptom:
cygintl-1.dll was missing when cygwin installed from a local directory.
(in the last step,
From: zzapper
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:13 PM
just found out that you can use
info Cygwin (no Man equivalent)
Which needs a minor update WRT the new path
e.g. /usr/share/doc/Cygwin/
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i.e. cygwin1.dll isn't used - POSIX paths not available.
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as a login shell (see
INVOCATION
below).
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Looks like W.P's bash acts as a login shell by default. Maybe it is compiled
that way, or bash might be a (sym)link or something?
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Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 8:53 PM
11/17/03 12:31:23 PM, Hannu E K Nevalainen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Nate Bohlmann
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:53 PM
Hi,
I'm having a problem getting MS-DOS paths to work properly with
VPATH under
GNU Make
. cygpath is part of the base
package so there is no need go looking for it either; if you have cygwin
then you have cygpath too.
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be the same on any Win:
$ p=$(cygpath -u C:\PalmDev); mkdir $p; ls -land $p
drwxr-xr-x2 500 0 Nov 16 13:45 /cygdrive/c/PalmDev/
$ mount -tf C:\PalmDev /PalmDev
$ echo /PalmDev/TEST I'm here!
$ cat /PalmDev/TEST
I'm here!
$ ls -ld / | grep PalmDev
$
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--no-md5
appears to do a download of the correct packages without problems,
even though _NOT_ doing the MD5 check.
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From: Hannu E K Nevalainen
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:26 AM
MOTIVATION:
Gerrit, about a Windows-native version:
How fast is it compared with the Cygwin version?
Hannu:
Answer: Approximately 20-40% faster in cmd native mode
IMO the better compatibility with the other cygwin
From: Ronald Landheer-Cieslak
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:28 PM
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 04:38:17PM +0100, Hannu E K Nevalainen wrote:
From: Ronald Landheer-Cieslak
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:22 PM
The attachment you sent has a lot of blank lines in it (at least
From: Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes
There is EXIT_SUCCESS and EXIT_FAILURE in stdlib.h
$ man exit # why didn't I think of that. :-7
...ANSI C stuff. (The Amiga related info is pre-ANSI C)
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From: Peter J. Stieber
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:56 PM
Just tried this myself this morning (11/12/2003 9:00 AM PST) and
it worked.
Definitely did not need the Remedy.
Pete
Hmm... I did the 'cvs co' a few days earlier.
I suppose it was fixed in between.
/Hannu E K
-name=s,y,y, --cache-file
=../../config.cache --srcdir=/src/winsup/w32api
$
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Cygwin (or Linux, Net*, U*X, whatever... that
can be transferred to Cygwin) that can be used for the same purpose?
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From: jeremy ekers
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 12:39 PM
I have a another problem with colours in rxvt.
SNIP
Also, also in rxvt, my home and end don't work.
http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2003-05/msg00157.html
Check last in the attached .inputrc file
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; \
for (( i=1; i1000; i++)) ;do
echo -en \e[F\e[$((7*($i%2)))m$i - ;
hang;
done
WFM
$ uname -a
CYGWIN_NT-5.0 P450 1.5.6s(0.94/3/2) 20031002 00:47:53 i686 unknown unknown
Cygwin
'cygcheck -svr' attached
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this:
$ cd /etc/postinstall/
$ ./lfpt.sh
... (the script needs a yes/no answer)
$ mv lfpt.sh lfpt.sh.done
The problems is:
lfpt.sh expects to have a console around, a user and keyboard attached. But
this isn't the case for postinstall scripts when they get run from setup.
/Hannu E K Nevalainen, B.Sc
()
}
# Check if lftp.conf exists. If yes, ask for overwriting
+export auto_answer=no
if [ -f ${SYSCONFDIR}/lftp.conf ]
then
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Greg Matheson wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Andrew DeFaria wrote:
John K wrote:
I'm learning Cygwin and Perl. Perl is currently 5.8.0 under Windows
98. I have run setup today so I think everything is current.
$ perldoc CGI
results in a Windows pop which contains ...
PERL caused an invalid
; this was NOT a the docs are bad inlay, it was one that
lobbies for improvements. ;-)
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From: Christopher Faylor
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:50 PM
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 12:36:46PM +0100, Hannu E K Nevalainen wrote:
From: Peter J. Stieber
I think I foolishly picked this up from some misinformation in
the mailing
list thread Can't build cygwin from CVS
:
$ man bash
/ENVIRONMENT
$ help source
$ man bash
/BUILTIN COMMANDS$
IMO there is one big shortcoming with source - it can't be piped into.
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major.minor (date) extended_info
Hmm... :-} it doesn't get removed by plain optimization... :-)
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Problem
this? Can someone point me to information on how
to set this
up? Any help appreciated. Thanks.
Take a look at fetchmail.
Lou
i.e:
$ ls /usr/share/doc/fetchmail-6.2.5/
COPYING FAQ FEATURES INSTALL NEWS NOTES README README.NTLM
README.SSL TODO fetchmail-FAQ.html
/Hannu E K
From: Nicolas BUONOMO
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:52 AM
Hello,
Hannu E K Nevalainen a écrit :
From: Jared Ingersoll
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:55 PM
There is a 32KB length limit on the command line. This is
imposed on us by
the underlying OS - i.e. not likely
on that search criteria, I know) than rely on me
remembering details.
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Remember to add the length of e.g. ls -l (note space).
If this gives a number larger than...
$ echo $(( ( 1 15
of MAC OS used the upper 8 bits of 32 bit
address pointers for some obscure data (remember: 24 bit address bus on some
MC68K's).
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+before +install +Igor
or some such, it might turn up that particular posting... I wonder if it
wasn't Igor who wrote about it.
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