Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-30 Thread szgyg
2011.05.28. 16:17, Andy Koppe wrote: On 28 May 2011 11:47, szgyg wrote: http://szgyg.web.elte.hu/cygwin/base.png ps: Interesting diagram. What's with the circular dependency? I don't know. Maybe it was caught by a hippo? szgyg

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-28 Thread Andy Koppe
On 26 May 2011 13:09, Andy Koppe wrote: On 26 May 2011 12:51, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On a closely related note, there's the issue of the mintty postinstall script. Simply dropping the mintty shortcut creation when setup.exe is changed would mean that the shortcut would disappear without

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-28 Thread szgyg
2011.05.28. 10:53, Andy Koppe wrote: Another point worth noting here is that the mintty postinstall script requires mkshortcut, hence cygutils will be pulled into the default installation. Cygutils is already pulled by cygwin-doc. http://szgyg.web.elte.hu/cygwin/base.png szgyg

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-28 Thread Andy Koppe
On 28 May 2011 11:47, szgyg wrote: 2011.05.28. 10:53, Andy Koppe wrote: Another point worth noting here is that the mintty postinstall script requires mkshortcut, hence cygutils will be pulled into the default installation. Cygutils is already pulled by cygwin-doc.

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-26 Thread Andy Koppe
On 25 May 2011 16:51, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 25 09:54, Thomas Wolff wrote: Am 25.05.2011 09:43, schrieb Andy Koppe: ... Ah, sorry, I didn't realise that the desktop shortcut at the moment was simply called Cygwin rather than Cygwin Bash Shell. I suppose that could just stay like that

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-26 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On May 26 08:00, Andy Koppe wrote: On 25 May 2011 16:51, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 25 09:54, Thomas Wolff wrote: Am 25.05.2011 09:43, schrieb Andy Koppe: ... Ah, sorry, I didn't realise that the desktop shortcut at the moment was simply called Cygwin rather than Cygwin Bash Shell.

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-26 Thread Andy Koppe
On 26 May 2011 09:07, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 26 08:00, Andy Koppe wrote: On 25 May 2011 16:51, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 25 09:54, Thomas Wolff wrote: Am 25.05.2011 09:43, schrieb Andy Koppe: ... Ah, sorry, I didn't realise that the desktop shortcut at the moment was

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-26 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On May 26 12:33, Andy Koppe wrote: On 26 May 2011 09:07, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 26 08:00, Andy Koppe wrote: - Offer the start menu item creation unless either Console or Terminal is present in the Cygwin folder. If requested, remove Cygwin Bash Shell and create Console and

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-26 Thread Andy Koppe
On 26 May 2011 12:51, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On a closely related note, there's the issue of the mintty postinstall script. Simply dropping the mintty shortcut creation when setup.exe is changed would mean that the shortcut would disappear without replacement for people updating with a

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-26 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On May 26 13:09, Andy Koppe wrote: On 26 May 2011 12:51, Corinna Vinschen wrote: That begs for the question why the start menu entry isn't managed entirely by mintty's postinstall/preremove scripts.  In theory we can reduce setup to ask for the desktop icon.  The start menu entry is

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-26 Thread Andy Koppe
On 26 May 2011 13:17, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 26 13:09, Andy Koppe wrote: On 26 May 2011 12:51, Corinna Vinschen wrote: That begs for the question why the start menu entry isn't managed entirely by mintty's postinstall/preremove scripts.  In theory we can reduce setup to ask for the

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-25 Thread Andy Koppe
On 24 May 2011 10:50, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 24 11:15, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 23 21:14, Andy Koppe wrote: On 23 May 2011 12:50, Corinna Vinschen wrote: And who's going to create the patches? I suppose that should be me, but my spare time is rather limited at the moment

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-25 Thread Thomas Wolff
Am 25.05.2011 09:43, schrieb Andy Koppe: ... Ah, sorry, I didn't realise that the desktop shortcut at the moment was simply called Cygwin rather than Cygwin Bash Shell. I suppose that could just stay like that actually. Also, since the start menu shortcut already is inside the Cygwin folder,

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-24 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On May 23 15:33, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 08:21:20PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 23 13:25, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 06:04:37PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 23 11:33, Charles Wilson wrote: as-is. What if you really WANT

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-24 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On May 23 22:47, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E] wrote: Christopher Faylor sent the following at Monday, May 23, 2011 1:26 PM Maybe we should be looking into introducing a way to set the CYGWIN environment variable in the global environment and adding c:\cygwin\bin (or whatever) to the

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-24 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On May 23 21:14, Andy Koppe wrote: On 23 May 2011 12:50, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 20 17:09, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: The setup.exe download is still 2.738.  Could it be updated to 2.749 to include jturney's recent bug fixes? I'd like to fix the mintty issue first. So, do we

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-24 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On May 24 11:15, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 23 21:14, Andy Koppe wrote: On 23 May 2011 12:50, Corinna Vinschen wrote: And who's going to create the patches? I suppose that should be me, but my spare time is rather limited at the moment and I still owe a patch or two for other

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-24 Thread Andy Koppe
On 24 May 2011 10:15, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 23 21:14, Andy Koppe wrote: I also think the console's start menu entry in the Cygwin folder should be kept, perhaps with a new name. Console vs Terminal? Why? As a straightforward answer to questions along these lines: - I loved the old

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-24 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On May 24 12:18, Andy Koppe wrote: On 24 May 2011 10:15, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 23 21:14, Andy Koppe wrote: I also think the console's start menu entry in the Cygwin folder should be kept, perhaps with a new name. Console vs Terminal? Why? As a straightforward answer to

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-24 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 09:19:08AM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 23 15:33, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 08:21:20PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 23 13:25, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 06:04:37PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-24 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:50:52AM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 24 11:15, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 23 21:14, Andy Koppe wrote: On 23 May 2011 12:50, Corinna Vinschen wrote: And who's going to create the patches? I suppose that should be me, but my spare time is rather

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-24 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On May 24 13:25, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:50:52AM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 24 11:15, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 23 21:14, Andy Koppe wrote: On 23 May 2011 12:50, Corinna Vinschen wrote: And who's going to create the patches? I suppose

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-24 Thread Andy Koppe
On 24 May 2011 19:42, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 24 13:21, Christopher Faylor wrote: I had a quick look: dosfilewarning Sets a bool.  Has immediate effect. envcache       Ditto. error_start         Sets a string.  Has immediate effect. export         Sets a bool.  Has effect on

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-24 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 08:42:30PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 24 13:21, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 09:19:08AM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 23 15:33, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 08:21:20PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: IMHO it

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-24 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 08:44:55PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote: Adding a field to the mintty options dialog would of course be possible, but I'd rather not, because those settings have nothing to do with the terminal. Also, it looks suspiciously like the start of a slippery slope towards options for

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-24 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On May 24 15:58, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 08:42:30PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 24 13:21, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 09:19:08AM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: dosfilewarning Sets a bool. Has immediate effect. envcache

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-24 Thread Charles Wilson
On 5/23/2011 4:57 PM, Charles Wilson wrote: Maybe when I get home I'll test out a few... Consolas Andale Mono Courier New Lucida Console Vera Sans Mono (or DejaVu LGC Sans) Droid Sans Mono Inconsolata ... FYI: http://cygutils.fruitbat.org/mintty-font-test/ -- Chuck

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-23 Thread Charles Wilson
On 5/23/2011 7:50 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 20 17:09, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: The setup.exe download is still 2.738. Could it be updated to 2.749 to include jturney's recent bug fixes? I'd like to fix the mintty issue first. So, do we swtch to mintty as default terminal, yes or

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-23 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On May 23 11:33, Charles Wilson wrote: On 5/23/2011 7:50 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 20 17:09, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: The setup.exe download is still 2.738. Could it be updated to 2.749 to include jturney's recent bug fixes? I'd like to fix the mintty issue first. So, do

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-23 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 06:04:37PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 23 11:33, Charles Wilson wrote: as-is. What if you really WANT to use cmdbox? How else can a cygwin-shell-in-cmdbox be started, other than a .bat file of some kind? And since that's the only real way to do so, we ought

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-23 Thread Charles Wilson
On 5/23/2011 1:25 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote: Maybe we should be looking into introducing a way to set the CYGWIN environment variable in the global environment and adding c:\cygwin\bin (or whatever) to the global PATH as well. I disagree. I deliberately keep cygwin paths out of my global

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-23 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On May 23 13:25, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 06:04:37PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 23 11:33, Charles Wilson wrote: as-is. What if you really WANT to use cmdbox? How else can a cygwin-shell-in-cmdbox be started, other than a .bat file of some kind? And

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-23 Thread marco atzeri
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 23 13:25, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 06:04:37PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 23 11:33, Charles Wilson wrote: as-is.  What if you really WANT to use cmdbox?  How else can a cygwin-shell-in-cmdbox

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-23 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 02:16:42PM -0400, Charles Wilson wrote: On 5/23/2011 1:25 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote: Maybe we should be looking into introducing a way to set the CYGWIN environment variable in the global environment and adding c:\cygwin\bin (or whatever) to the global PATH as well.

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-23 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 08:21:20PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 23 13:25, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 06:04:37PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 23 11:33, Charles Wilson wrote: as-is. What if you really WANT to use cmdbox? How else can a

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-23 Thread Andy Koppe
On 23 May 2011 17:04, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 23 11:33, Charles Wilson wrote: Uhm, maybe? :-) Here's the deal: run the following program from the ncurses-demo package:       /usr/lib/ncurses/test/lrtest.exe in a mintty terminal and bash-in-cmdbox, with the same UTF-8 $LANG settings

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-23 Thread Andy Koppe
On 23 May 2011 12:50, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 20 17:09, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: The setup.exe download is still 2.738.  Could it be updated to 2.749 to include jturney's recent bug fixes? I'd like to fix the mintty issue first. So, do we swtch to mintty as default terminal, yes or

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-23 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 09:14:15PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote: What it should be called: a) mintty: Few are going to know what that is. b) Cygwin Bash Shell: That's the current name of course. Not compatible with option 1 above. c) Cygwin Shell: Shell-neutral, but encourages the confusion between

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-23 Thread Charles Wilson
On 5/23/2011 3:42 PM, Andy Koppe wrote: On 23 May 2011 17:04, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 23 11:33, Charles Wilson wrote: In the former, I see pseudo-line drawing characters (e.g hyphens and plus signs, etc), but in the latter I see real line draw characters. Whatever that is, I guess it

RE: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

2011-05-23 Thread Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E]
Christopher Faylor sent the following at Monday, May 23, 2011 1:26 PM Maybe we should be looking into introducing a way to set the CYGWIN environment variable in the global environment and adding c:\cygwin\bin (or whatever) to the global PATH as well.