Re: Basic question X - whatever

[Herbert Eppel]

On 29.09.2005 06:25 UK Time, Brian Dessent wrote:

Herbert Eppel wrote:



Thanks for this. I have a (relatively old) optical Logitech mouse, and I
can't see such an option in the mouse properties. Perhaps I simply have
to get used to the left/right combination :-)



You might try installing the MS Intellipoint drivers anyway.  I have
read in the past that it sometimes works with non-MS mice as well.  You
might have to use an older verion -- I am stuck on 4.1 but the latest is
5.3.  Frustratingly, some versions do not have the "enable
program-specific settings" checkbox.  I seem to recall 4.12 does not,
but 4.1 does, which is why I use it.

Brian


Thanks, I might try that.



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Re: Basic question X - whatever

[Brian Dessent]

Herbert Eppel wrote:

> Thanks for this. I have a (relatively old) optical Logitech mouse, and I
> can't see such an option in the mouse properties. Perhaps I simply have
> to get used to the left/right combination :-)

You might try installing the MS Intellipoint drivers anyway.  I have
read in the past that it sometimes works with non-MS mice as well.  You
might have to use an older verion -- I am stuck on 4.1 but the latest is
5.3.  Frustratingly, some versions do not have the "enable
program-specific settings" checkbox.  I seem to recall 4.12 does not,
but 4.1 does, which is why I use it.

Brian

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Re: Basic question X - whatever

[Herbert Eppel]

On 28.09.2005 20:10 UK Time, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Herbert Eppel wrote:



Success 8-)
Thanks a lot for all contributions!

Just one more thing for now: I think I may find it a little difficult to get
used to pressing the left and right mouse button simultaneously.

Is there an alternative (without losing my double-click function for the
scroll wheel button)?



Depending on the application, you may be able to set up keyboard shortcuts
to do this.  For a bash example, see
 (or try
searching the archives of the main Cygwin mailing list for "copy paste" --
I'm sure there were recipes for various key combinations).
Igor


Thanks, I might try that - or I might try and get used to the left/right 
combination first :-)


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Re: Basic question X - whatever

[Herbert Eppel]

On 28.09.2005 20:58 UK Time, Poor Yorick wrote:

Igor Pechtchanski wrote:


On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Herbert Eppel wrote:

Is there an alternative (without losing my double-click function for the
scroll wheel button)?
 



 

Have you tried shift-insert instead of middle button?  My default 
installation of Cygwin and X supports this key combination.


Thanks for that, but in the past I found the Insert button so annoying 
(I kept pressing it inadvertently) that I deactivated it! :-)


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Re: Basic question X - whatever

[Herbert Eppel]

On 28.09.2005 22:56 UK Time, Brian Dessent wrote:

Herbert Eppel wrote:



Just one more thing for now: I think I may find it a little difficult to
get used to pressing the left and right mouse button simultaneously.

Is there an alternative (without losing my double-click function for the
scroll wheel button)?



Some mouse drivers (for example, Microsoft Intellipoint) lets you define
actions for the mouse buttons on a per-application basis.  You could set
it up so that clicking the mousewheel in XWin.exe does the default
middle click, and clicking elsewhere results in the double-click.  I do
this myself, and find it very productive to have different mappings for
different applications.


Thanks for this. I have a (relatively old) optical Logitech mouse, and I 
can't see such an option in the mouse properties. Perhaps I simply have 
to get used to the left/right combination :-)


Regards

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Re: Basic question X - whatever

[Brian Dessent]

Herbert Eppel wrote:

> Just one more thing for now: I think I may find it a little difficult to
> get used to pressing the left and right mouse button simultaneously.
> 
> Is there an alternative (without losing my double-click function for the
> scroll wheel button)?

Some mouse drivers (for example, Microsoft Intellipoint) lets you define
actions for the mouse buttons on a per-application basis.  You could set
it up so that clicking the mousewheel in XWin.exe does the default
middle click, and clicking elsewhere results in the double-click.  I do
this myself, and find it very productive to have different mappings for
different applications.

Brian

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Re: Basic question X - whatever

[Poor Yorick]

Igor Pechtchanski wrote:


On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Herbert Eppel wrote:

Is there an alternative (without losing my double-click function for the
scroll wheel button)?
 



 

Have you tried shift-insert instead of middle button?  My default 
installation of Cygwin and X supports this key combination.


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Re: Basic question X - whatever

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Herbert Eppel wrote:

> Success 8-)
> Thanks a lot for all contributions!
>
> Just one more thing for now: I think I may find it a little difficult to get
> used to pressing the left and right mouse button simultaneously.
>
> Is there an alternative (without losing my double-click function for the
> scroll wheel button)?

Depending on the application, you may be able to set up keyboard shortcuts
to do this.  For a bash example, see
 (or try
searching the archives of the main Cygwin mailing list for "copy paste" --
I'm sure there were recipes for various key combinations).
Igor
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Re: Basic question X - whatever

[Herbert Eppel]

On 28.09.2005 19:14 UK Time, Reid Thompson wrote:



I do have the scroll wheel button assigned to double click,
and I would
like to keep that setting, which raises the question of where exactly
I would have to specify -emulate3buttons (is it simply another command
line option after startx?) and what you mean by "both mouse
buttons" -
do you mean left and right?

Thanks



you pass it as a parameter to your X startup ( ala -clipboard
-multiwindow )

-emulate3buttons [timeout]
Emulate 3 button mouse with an optional timeout in
milliseconds.


Success 8-)

Thanks a lot for all contributions!

Just one more thing for now: I think I may find it a little difficult to 
get used to pressing the left and right mouse button simultaneously.


Is there an alternative (without losing my double-click function for the 
scroll wheel button)?


Thanks

Herbert Eppel
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RE: Basic question X - whatever

[Reid Thompson]

Herbert Eppel wrote:
> On 28.09.2005 18:04 UK Time, Soong, SylokeJ wrote:
>> With the clipboard enabled, do you know how to highlight, copy &
>> paste 
> 
> Nice subject line - I'm not really sure why I started this "Basic
> Question no." nonsense - it was bound to lead to confusion, sorry!
> 
>> between win/xp and cygwin? I think that is his intent.
>> 
>> Microsoft(which you know):
>> copy is by selecting then ctrl-c or menu-copy.
>> paste is by ctrl-v or menu-paste.
>> 
>> Motif & cygwin:
>> Selecting text would spontaneously
>> (some people might prefer the term, automatically)
>> copy into clipboard.
>> Paste is by middle button click.
> 
> Thanks for explain this. It's embarrassing, but I wasn't aware of the
> different behaviour :-[ 
> 
>> 
>> e.g. copying from MS to Cyg:
>> copy text from MS win, move cursor to cyg window and press/release
>> middle button. Conversely from cyg to MS:
>> select text at cyg win, move mouse to MS win and ctrl-v.
>> Voila!
>> 
>> However, if you don't have a middle mouse button, or you had mapped
>> that button to do something else, you could use -emulate3buttons
>> option which would require you to press both mouse buttons together
>> to emulate the middle button.
> 
> I do have the scroll wheel button assigned to double click,
> and I would
> like to keep that setting, which raises the question of where exactly
> I would have to specify -emulate3buttons (is it simply another command
> line option after startx?) and what you mean by "both mouse
> buttons" -
> do you mean left and right?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Herbert Eppel
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you pass it as a parameter to your X startup ( ala -clipboard
-multiwindow )

-emulate3buttons [timeout]
Emulate 3 button mouse with an optional timeout in
milliseconds.

$ Xwin --help
use: X [:] [option]
-a #   mouse acceleration (pixels)
-acdisable access control restrictions
-audit int set audit trail level
-auth file select authorization file
bc enable bug compatibility
-brcreate root window with black background
+bsenable any backing store support
-bsdisable any backing store support
-c turns off key-click
c #key-click volume (0-100)
-cc intdefault color visual class
-co file   color database file
-core  generate core dump on fatal error
-dpi int   screen resolution in dots per inch
-deferglyphs [none|all|16] defer loading of [no|all|16-bit] glyphs
-f #   bell base (0-100)
-fc string cursor font
-fn string default font name
-fp string default font path
-help  prints message with these options
-I ignore all remaining arguments
-ld intlimit data space to N Kb
-lf intlimit number of open files to N
-ls intlimit stack space to N Kb
-logo  enable logo in screen saver
nologo disable logo in screen saver
-nolisten string   don't listen on protocol
-noreset   don't reset after last client exists
-reset reset after last client exists
-p #   screen-saver pattern duration (minutes)
-pnaccept failure to listen on all ports
-nopn  reject failure to listen on all ports
-r turns off auto-repeat
r  turns on auto-repeat 
-render [default|mono|gray|color] set render color alloc policy
-s #   screen-saver timeout (minutes)
-sp file   security policy file
-sudisable any save under support
-t #   mouse threshold (pixels)
-terminate terminate at server reset
-to #  connection time out
-tst   disable testing extensions
ttyxx  server started from init on /dev/ttyxx
v  video blanking for screen-saver
-v screen-saver without video blanking
-wmWhenMapped default backing-store
-x string  loads named extension at init time 
-maxbigreqsize set maximal bigrequest size 
+extension nameEnable extension
-extension nameDisable extension
-query host-name   contact named host for XDMCP
-broadcast broadcast for XDMCP
-indirect host-namecontact named host for indirect XDMCP
-port port-num UDP port number to send messages to
-from local-addressspecify the local address to connect from
-once  Terminate server after one session
-class display-class   specify display class to send in manage
-cookie xdm-auth-bits  specify the magic cookie for XDMCP
-displayID display-id  manufacturer display ID for request
The X Keyboard Extension adds the following arguments:
-kb  

Re: Basic question X - whatever

[Herbert Eppel]

On 28.09.2005 18:04 UK Time, Soong, SylokeJ wrote:

With the clipboard enabled, do you know how to highlight, copy & paste


Nice subject line - I'm not really sure why I started this "Basic 
Question no." nonsense - it was bound to lead to confusion, sorry!



between win/xp and cygwin? I think that is his intent.

Microsoft(which you know):
copy is by selecting then ctrl-c or menu-copy.
paste is by ctrl-v or menu-paste.

Motif & cygwin:
Selecting text would spontaneously
(some people might prefer the term, automatically)
copy into clipboard.
Paste is by middle button click.


Thanks for explain this. It's embarrassing, but I wasn't aware of the 
different behaviour :-[




e.g. copying from MS to Cyg:
copy text from MS win, move cursor to cyg window and press/release middle
button.
Conversely from cyg to MS:
select text at cyg win, move mouse to MS win and ctrl-v.
Voila!

However, if you don't have a middle mouse button, or you had mapped that
button to do something else, you could use -emulate3buttons option
which would require you to press both mouse buttons together to emulate
the middle button.


I do have the scroll wheel button assigned to double click, and I would 
like to keep that setting, which raises the question of where exactly I 
would have to specify -emulate3buttons (is it simply another command 
line option after startx?) and what you mean by "both mouse buttons" - 
do you mean left and right?


Thanks

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RE: Basic question X - whatever

[Soong, SylokeJ]

With the clipboard enabled, do you know how to highlight, copy & paste
between win/xp and cygwin? I think that is his intent.

Microsoft(which you know):
copy is by selecting then ctrl-c or menu-copy.
paste is by ctrl-v or menu-paste.

Motif & cygwin:
Selecting text would spontaneously
(some people might prefer the term, automatically)
copy into clipboard.
Paste is by middle button click.

e.g. copying from MS to Cyg:
copy text from MS win, move cursor to cyg window and press/release middle
button.
Conversely from cyg to MS:
select text at cyg win, move mouse to MS win and ctrl-v.
Voila!

However, if you don't have a middle mouse button, or you had mapped that
button to do something else, you could use -emulate3buttons option
which would require you to press both mouse buttons together to emulate
the middle button.

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On 28.09.2005 17:20 UK Time, Soong, SylokeJ wrote:
> No. He is telling you how to shut down with a single click
> rather than my right clicking and selecting "Exit".
> Which is answering your question 4.

Thanks, although I'm afraid I still fail to see Reid's single-click 
solution - but never mind, I think I am satisfied now that my own 
single-click solution (i.e. x in top right corner) is 'safe'.

> 
> Also about your question 2, as someone else recommended,
> you should consider running either
> startxwin.bat or startxwin.sh.
> But doing that, whatever you wrote in ~/.xinitrc would
> no longer be effective because either of these startup
> files would not call .xinitrc .
> 
> I prefer the bat file because I would need to first
> start cygwin bash in a win/xp cmd window to allow me to
> run the sh file, thereby leaving a win/xp cmd window around
> annoying you more than the X icon would.
> 
> The bat file is not unix and you might be more familiar
> with it.

Thanks, I'll try and get my head round that some time, but shouldn't it 
work with -clipboard in the startx command line?

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