Re: Payment mixes for anonymity

2000-03-05 Thread Tim May
At 10:12 PM -0800 3/4/00, Secret Squirrel wrote: >Let us keep in mind that it is not illegal to seek financial privacy. >It is only illegal to launder the results of illegal activity. The "structuring" laws apply to all financial transactions, not just money coming from "illegal activity."

Re: Vin McLellan Charles Mudd On Denial of Service Attacks

2000-03-05 Thread Steve Mynott
On Sun, Mar 05, 2000 at 12:19:03AM -0500, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: I don't think anyone has accussed Markoff of actually falsifying the emails exchanged between Mitnick and his accomplices and I refered to the book only to establish that the material was already in the public domain and

Re: LogJam

2000-03-05 Thread Petro
And then the grocery sells that info to a national database that adds it to all the other info on you. Which the cops can access to see just how much alcohol Tim is using these days, and maybe they need to put his vehicle description/plates on a watch list to stop for DWI checks whenever

Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-03-05 Thread Petro
And the four cops were of course not dressed as cops...they were part of the "Street Crimes Unit," meaning they were supposed to blend in by looking like street thugs. What Yabba.. thought was going down when four white guys started yelling at him will forever be unknown to us. I know what

Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-03-05 Thread Petro
Sunder writes: Any jurisdiction that considers pupming 41 pieces of lead in a man that refuses to talk to four predatory bastards isn't by any stretch of the immagination free. The number of bullets is not the issue. As has been discussed here before, any firefight involving multiple

Re: RE: Purpose of anti-laundering laws?

2000-03-05 Thread Jim Choate
On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, Black Unicorn wrote: This was and is rather expensive. Each CTR (currency transaction report) costs a bank between $5 and $25 to process. From 1987-1996 U.S. banks filed more than 77,000,000 million Currency Transaction Reports at a cost to consumers of over 1.2

Re: Shimomura, Markoff, and Packet Sniffers

2000-03-05 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 9:31 PM -0500 on 3/4/00, John Young wrote: To read the stuff now is again electrifying. Yup. I got here in spring/summer of 1994, and I had the same experience when Ryan's venona archives were up for a while a couple of years back. The way I figure it, the loop probably started at about

Digitally Signed and Verified

2000-03-05 Thread Daniel J. Boone
I'm just curious whether I'm the only one who never reads these "digitally signed and verified" messages that comes through from time to time. As a matter of policy, I sure don't trust the authors of my browser enough to "click here to continue" -- which is how my browser displays those

Re: RE: Purpose of anti-laundering laws?

2000-03-05 Thread Jim Choate
On Sun, 5 Mar 2000, Black Unicorn wrote: Did you make it up? Not at all. All in (among other places) the Congressional Record. Any other questions? Nope, thanks for the vector. The future is

RE: X.BlaBla in PGP??? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

2000-03-05 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 12:02 PM -0500 3/5/2000, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: ... If you think that the problem with S/MIME is the lack of an open source client then do what the cypherpunks list *used* to be about - write some code to do the job the way *you* think is correct. The standard is published by the IETF

RE: Vin McLellan Charles Mudd On Denial of Service Attacks

2000-03-05 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
In response to Steve Mynott: the name cypherpunk is due to John Gilmore No, this is not correct. Ooops, sorry Tim! On the net you both look alike you know. I'll get it right in the book. Phill smime.p7s

cypherpunks@ds.pro-ns.net

2000-03-05 Thread William H. Geiger III
Is [EMAIL PROTECTED] down? I have not received any mail since yesterday from them. -- --- William H. Geiger IIIhttp://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Data Security Cryptology Consulting Programming,

RE: X.BlaBla in PGP??? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

2000-03-05 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
Every copy of Windows 2000 and Windows millenium will have full strength 128 bit crypto in the base O/S. Source, or "a proof" please, since I don't recognize your name as being authoritative regarding what M$ does and/or does not contain. It was announced at RSA in the Microsoft keynote speach.

Re: Payment mixes for anonymity

2000-03-05 Thread James A. Donald
-- At 10:49 AM 3/3/00 -0800, Tim May wrote: (Sure, the delivery has to be untraceability. As always, if Alice and Bob are using mundane e-mail mechanisms then any supposed untracebility of the money is ipso fact lost.) While an evesdropper can determine that Bob, a purportedly upright

Re: Alternative To Handguns Package

2000-03-05 Thread Petro
The only real alternative to handguns is shotguns. Short barreled carbines--like the M-1 carbine, or a lever action 30-30, or "Sub-machine guns" like the MP5 do quite a decent job. -- A quote from Petro's Archives: ** If the courts

Re: Neo-Cypherpunks and calls for privacy regulations

2000-03-05 Thread Petro
I wrote much of what you quoted and then responded to, and yet you snipped the part that said "Tim May wrote..." Please take some care in how you quote. Apologies. -- A quote from Petro's Archives: ** If the courts started interpreting

Maybe we'll hear more about the Evils of Crypto

2000-03-05 Thread Declan McCullagh
Noon - Hearing EVENT: House Select Intelligence Committee AGENDA: Full committee hearing on drug interdiction in Colombia. (Rescheduled from February 17) No new date announced.) WHO: Bob Brown, supply director, Office of National Drug Control Policy; Gen. John Gordon, deputy director, Central

Re: Great American Gas Out

2000-03-05 Thread Edwin E. Smith
At 02:58 PM 3/1/00, you wrote: Subject: Fw: Great American Gas Out This message was received and forwarded - please forward it! Anytime we can stick it to them it's a good day. Last year on April 30,1999, a gas out was staged across Canada and the U.S. to bring the price of gas down, and it

Re: Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: whyworry?)

2000-03-05 Thread Tom Vogt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know of no way to lend support to the idea that government in general needs good leadership -- history shows that particular governments (namely, those that mankind has managed erect) suffer from bad leadership. OTOH, I will admit that humanity is fairly new to

Re: Alternative To Handguns Package (fwd)

2000-03-05 Thread Petro
untraceable contract killings. At least 342,000 persons in America have already earned killing. How did you come at this figure? I'm proud that untraceable technologies we have helped to develop and publicize will make possible the cleansing of this country of gun grabbers.

Re: Anonymous e-cash server built on e-gold -- NOT!

2000-03-05 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 5:00 PM -0800 on 3/1/00, Tim May wrote: Perhaps you are right. I am asking you, then, to not do it. Not because I "own" my words here, but because readers on other lists lack context. (Few of our articles are self-contained articles in the way magazine articles are meant to be.) Sigh.

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2000-03-05 Thread anonymous
Subject: toad pimping At 08:55 PM 3/1/00 -0500, Eric Cordian wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: can you send me toad Me send toad. You lick toad. Then understand crypto. How much if the toad wears heels?

Re: The price of bread in Romania

2000-03-05 Thread Marcel Popescu
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah, thriving economies that only a handful of elite got to benefit from while the rest of the population were pretty much on bread and water. You really should study the fall of the Ottoman Empire a tad more closely (or at least quit

Re: Clinton Gore Vow To Fight The Establishment On

2000-03-05 Thread Petro
Nope, I look at what life was like without governments - nasty, brutish and short. We both agree that bad governments can do a lot of evil, even in democratic countries. Richard Nixon being a prime example, committing acts of treason at home and committing war crimes abroad. I don't

RE: Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: whyworry?)

2000-03-05 Thread Oellermann, A. (Adam)
Title: RE: CDR: Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: whyworry?) I think the romans did. they finally lost the fight and state, but it lasted for quite a long time, didn't it? and survived a whole bunch of crooks. The Romans had more than one phase of government. Firstly,

The price of bread in Romania

2000-03-05 Thread Tim May
At 4:15 PM -0800 3/1/00, Marcel Popescu wrote: ... This is a common misconception, even in my country (Romania, Eastern Europe). I argued with someone claiming that "$1,000 in Romania is equivalent to $4,000 in the US". I told him that it's the other way around: you need at least $4,000 (and I

Re: Anonymous e-cash server built on e-gold -- NOT!

2000-03-05 Thread R. A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- At 11:43 AM -0800 on 3/1/00, Tim May wrote: I thought you (R.A. Hettinga) agreed not to forward my articles to your stable of lists? Actually, I may be wrong, but I'm not sure I agreed to that at all. What I *did* agree to do, something I'm sure you

RE: Brands on privacy

2000-03-05 Thread John Young
Austin Hill wrote: If within these functions, there exists a market demand for payor and payee anonymous digital cash, then you can be assured that some ambitious startup will license from us and attack that market. I would appreciate being placed as close to the front of that applicant list

Re: X.BlaBla in PGP??? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

2000-03-05 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 5:29 PM -0500 on 3/1/00, R. A. Hettinga wrote: First XCert (nice guys, and all, but...) do WOT in X.509. Now Sonera does X.509 in PGP. The ganglia twitch... Wait a minute. If I remember correctly, *Thawte* does X.509 in PGP, already, right? Oh, well. I guess it stopped being funny a

Cypherpunk photo archive now online

2000-03-05 Thread Declan McCullagh
At 12:02 3/5/2000 -0500, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: Ooops, sorry Tim! On the net you both look alike you know. Perhaps my cypherpunk photo archive can solve Phill's apparent identity crisis. You can poke around there, but some useful starting links might be:

DDoS v 2.0

2000-03-05 Thread Frog
What would be the legal implications for web visitors if a popular page gets hijacked and replaced with: ATH0,,,DTa number of someone you like here If the number is an international number - who would pay for it ? The whole traffic to a country can probably be blocked if the hijacked

Re: A new PKC

2000-03-05 Thread bram
On Sun, 5 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps this solves a little problem we've been playing with: We have an untrusted user that needs a key to unlock a file for processing. Is there anyway we can transmit a key to the program that processes the file and allow the program to

Re: Offshore Banks to be Excommunicated

2000-03-05 Thread Duncan Frissell
At 08:32 AM 3/2/00 -0800, Eric Cordian wrote: NEW YORK (AP) -- The Clinton administration intends to ask Congress for new power to combat money laundering, including the authority to ban financial transactions between U.S. institutions and offshore financial centers, The New York Times reported

Re: A new PKC, and some conjectures

2000-03-05 Thread dmolnar
On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, bram wrote: I've written up a public key encryption algorithm I came up with and some thoughts on it at http://www.gawth.com/bram/essays/simple_public_key.html Here's an idea I just had towards an attack on the system. I'm not sure it goes all the way through. It

Re: A new PKC, and some conjectures

2000-03-05 Thread bram
On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, bram wrote: I've written up a public key encryption algorithm I came up with and some thoughts on it at http://www.gawth.com/bram/essays/simple_public_key.html If I just send you the final sum, how do you know it was generated correctly by adding stuff in the

Re: LogJam

2000-03-05 Thread STIGLIC Anton
Yes, but remember we started a discussion in this subject so as to give a real life analogy of what happens on the Web. Businesses who sale you stuff face to face are probably going to go for the sale over getting information. But then, just take AirMiles for examaple, do you think they are

RE: X.BlaBla in PGP??? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

2000-03-05 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
I think the problem with S/MIME is that it violates a major principle of software usability: make the most commonly performed tasks the easiest to accomplish. You find clicking on the little icons difficult? This is just more of the same - parotting out some slogan you read in some book in

Irony

2000-03-05 Thread David Honig
Seen when I entered an unnamed security site: "You must enable Javascript to access our vulnerabilities database"