Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 05:54:02PM +1000, jam...@echeque.com wrote: > > > > And in case you missed it, there's 100s of sites these days such > > > > as http://opensourcemachinetools.org/wordpress/ > > > > Which don't tell you how to make a pencil. > > On 2019-09-23 09:33, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-22 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 06:15:00PM +1000, jam...@echeque.com wrote: > On 2019-09-21 11:48, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 05:53:21PM +1000, jam...@echeque.com wrote: > > > And the fact that you have not sketched an outline tells me that you lack > > > the > > > knowledge to

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-21 Thread jamesd
On 2019-09-21 11:48, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 05:53:21PM +1000, jam...@echeque.com wrote: And the fact that you have not sketched an outline tells me that you lack the knowledge to even think about what would be needed. It might behoove your interactions to caution your

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-20 Thread jamesd
On 2019-09-20 06:55, Punk wrote: yes, more crony capitalism Every technological advance that created industrial civilization came from what you are calling crony capitalism.

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 05:29:59AM +1000, jam...@echeque.com wrote: > > jam...@echeque.com wrote: > > > The reason you need a boss to make a pencil is that almost no one knows > > > how to make pencils > > On 2019-09-20 04:59, Punk wrote: > > unhinged nonsense > > Let us see you make a

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread jamesd
On 2019-09-20 06:16, Punk wrote: Now, if one bothers to look at history books, one can learn that INDIVIDUALS made COMPLEX CLOCKS, BY HAND, hundred of years BEFORE the FUCKING 'industrial revolution' Not individuals, because those clocks were built under the medieval apprenticeship

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread jamesd
On 2019-09-20 06:16, Punk wrote: by the way, notice how talking to ignorant fucktards like donald is almost counterproductive. It's hilarious that the guy pretends to have some sort of 'technical' background given his limitless ignorance regarding the history of engineering.

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread jamesd
Again, the Bessemer process for making steel: Bessemer found a way to make large amounts of good steel cheaply. He tried to sell his way to other steel makers, selling his method and his advice. They tried to follow the Bessemer process, and they failed. Their steel was crap. They were

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread jamesd
Socialism is a bad idea because NASA telling Musk how to build rockets does not work. Socialism is a bad idea because the family court running a family does not work. Capitalism is a good idea because the dad running the family works, and Musk telling engineers how to build a rocket does

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread jamesd
Shockley told people how to build transistors, and Wernher von Braun told people how to build rockets. But that did not work. They had to be in a position where people had to listen to them *respectfully*. And that is why NASA, in the end, had to tell people to treat Wernher von Braun

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread Razer
On September 19, 2019 12:57:06 PM PDT, jam...@echeque.com wrote: >On 2019-09-20 03:31, Razer wrote: >>> Do you know how to make a pencil? > >> Yes. I also know how to make a piece of charcoal, OR sintered >graphite wrapped in wood pulp, painted yellow, with a little metal band >and a pice of

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread jamesd
On 2019-09-20 03:41, Razer wrote: [Wernher von Brau] wasn't "Kidnapped", and my father, who worked with him at NASA Huntsville, verified that. He did quite nicely for himself economically and was immune from ANY criticism by fellow employees. My father had a 'meeting' with the "guys in

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread Razer
The schmuck is a Rocket Scientist. He KNOWS Musk builds better blah blah. On September 19, 2019 12:45:19 PM PDT, jam...@echeque.com wrote: >On 2019-09-20 04:59, Punk wrote: >> by the way, arguments regarding the ANARCHIC and distributed nature >of 'knowledge in society' are usually presented

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread jamesd
On 2019-09-20 03:31, Razer wrote: Do you know how to make a pencil? Yes. I also know how to make a piece of charcoal, OR sintered graphite wrapped in wood pulp, painted yellow, with a little metal band and a pice of rubber on top. Nuts. I don't believe you. You cannot make a pencil,

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread jamesd
On 2019-09-20 04:59, Punk wrote: by the way, arguments regarding the ANARCHIC and distributed nature of 'knowledge in society' are usually presented as arguments against central planning. Notice how the fascist shitbag donald is trying to turn them on their head. The argument

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread jamesd
jam...@echeque.com wrote: The reason you need a boss to make a pencil is that almost no one knows how to make pencils On 2019-09-20 04:59, Punk wrote: unhinged nonsense Let us see you make a pencil. by the way, arguments regarding the ANARCHIC and distributed nature of

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread Razer
On September 18, 2019 11:08:09 PM PDT, jam...@echeque.com wrote: >On 2019-09-19 06:54, Razer wrote: >> Exactly. Workers don't need the boss. > >Let me tell you a story about NASA. > >The Nazis kidnapped Wernher von Braun from the rocket club, and put him [SNIP] He wasn't "Kidnapped", and my

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread Razer
On September 18, 2019 10:55:12 PM PDT, jam...@echeque.com wrote: >On 2019-09-19 06:54, Razer wrote: >> Exactly. Workers don't need the boss. The boss needs them > >Do you know how to make a pencil? > Yes. I also know how to make a piece of charcoal, OR sintered graphite wrapped in wood pulp,

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread jamesd
The reason you need a boss to make a pencil is that almost no one knows how to make pencils - or any other common object, and the guy who does know is probably the boss of a pencil factory. He probably learned it by working under someone else who was boss of a pencil factory, but not

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread jamesd
On 2019-09-19 11:39, Punk wrote: > > lots of things can be done with little capital and no 'supervision'. > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 07:18:49PM +1000, jam...@echeque.com wrote: > Lets see if you can make a pencil without a boss telling you how to do it. On 2019-09-19 19:43, Zenaan

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 07:18:49PM +1000, jam...@echeque.com wrote: > On 2019-09-19 11:39, Punk wrote: > > lots of things can be done with little capital and no 'supervision'. > > Lets see if you can make a pencil without a boss telling you how to do it. "without a boss telling you how to do

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread jamesd
On 2019-09-19 11:39, Punk wrote: lots of things can be done with little capital and no 'supervision'. Lets see if you can make a pencil without a boss telling you how to do it.

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 06:19:13AM +, jim bell wrote: > On Wednesday, September 18, 2019, 03:25:56 PM PDT, Punk > wrote: >  >5) How are prices determined in the current fascist enviroment?  > To some degree, there is usually competition. >  >   and 6) what is this? > >    The Big Bank

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 04:08:09PM +1000, jam...@echeque.com wrote: > On 2019-09-19 06:54, Razer wrote: > > Exactly. Workers don't need the boss. > > Let me tell you a story about NASA. > > The Nazis kidnapped Wernher von Braun from the rocket club, and put him in > charge of building rockets. >

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 03:55:12PM +1000, jam...@echeque.com wrote: > On 2019-09-19 06:54, Razer wrote: > > Exactly. Workers don't need the boss. The boss needs them > > Do you know how to make a pencil? > > Could you make a pencil without the boss providing the tools, the materials, > and the

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread jim bell
On Wednesday, September 18, 2019, 03:25:56 PM PDT, Punk wrote: On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 20:24:19 + (UTC) jim bell wrote: >  On Tuesday, September 17, 2019, 08:19:27 PM PDT, Punk wrote: >  >  >  On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 03:00:58 + (UTC) > jim bell wrote: >> Again, you clearly

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-19 Thread jamesd
On 2019-09-19 06:54, Razer wrote: Exactly. Workers don't need the boss. Let me tell you a story about NASA. The Nazis kidnapped Wernher von Braun from the rocket club, and put him in charge of building rockets. Then the Americans kidnapped Wernher von Braun from the Nazis and gave him to

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-18 Thread jamesd
On 2019-09-19 06:54, Razer wrote: Exactly. Workers don't need the boss. The boss needs them Do you know how to make a pencil? Could you make a pencil without the boss providing the tools, the materials, and the direction on how to use those tools and materials. Let us see your pencil.

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-18 Thread jamesd
On 2019-09-19 06:54, Razer wrote: Exactly. Workers don't need the boss. You are not going to build the Trump tower, except one man has the vision, the knowledge, and the skills, and a thousand people give effect to his vision. If you had a thousand people making it up as they go along,

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-18 Thread jamesd
On 2019-09-19 08:28, Punk wrote: It is 'self-evident' that even to this very day little things like say, skycrapers or huge container ships are not made by 'machines'. They are made by people using tools. Lots of uh, WORKERS, work, for instance, in construction. But they would not be

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-18 Thread jim bell
On Wednesday, September 18, 2019, 01:54:28 PM PDT, Razer wrote: On September 18, 2019 1:24:19 PM PDT, jim bell wrote: >>Are you suggesting that 'the workers' who made the machine are somehow >>entitled to a high proportion of the 'value' represented by the >>products the machine

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-18 Thread Razer
On September 18, 2019 1:24:19 PM PDT, jim bell wrote: >Are you suggesting that 'the workers' who made the machine are somehow >entitled to a high proportion of the 'value' represented by the >products the machine is producing?   Rather than merely being >compensated for their time and

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-18 Thread John Newman
On September 18, 2019 5:18:08 AM UTC, grarpamp wrote: >On 9/17/19, Punk wrote: >> Dude get a couple of books. One on political >> philosophy, the other on economics. > >If you actually bothered to list your books, >people might actually bother to pick them >up and read them. > >So what exactly

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-17 Thread Zenaan Harkness
> But guess what. There was a copy in my browser's cache. =) Information wants to be free. It's fair game to disagree (as vehemently as you choose) with someone's current position - but perhaps we should thank folks for being open with the world when they admit to at least part of their

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-17 Thread grarpamp
On 9/17/19, Punk wrote: > Dude get a couple of books. One on political > philosophy, the other on economics. If you actually bothered to list your books, people might actually bother to pick them up and read them. So what exactly is your top 5 reading list of books for people to read? > rest

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-17 Thread jamesd
On 2019-09-18 10:26, Punk wrote: And again, I'll point out that only two people on this list have hysterically parroted 9/11 pentagon propaganda. The commie tazer, and the 'ex' commie cunt james donald. And as I pointed out last time, it is not the Pentagon that has funny stuff

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-17 Thread jim bell
On Tuesday, September 17, 2019, 04:43:11 PM PDT, Razer wrote: On September 16, 2019 9:48:23 PM PDT, grarpamp wrote: >>https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=taxation+is+theft >> >>https://mises.org/books-library >Taking most of the surplus value created by my labor is theft

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-17 Thread jamesd
On 2019-09-18 09:42, Razer wrote: Taking most of the surplus value created by my labor is theft fuck you very much. Nuts The proportion of GDP that goes to profits is about ten percent. And they earn it. Suppose someone plants trees, and they grow for thirty years, and he or his sons

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-17 Thread Razer
On September 16, 2019 9:48:23 PM PDT, grarpamp wrote: >https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=taxation+is+theft > >https://mises.org/books-library Taking most of the surplus value created by my labor is theft fuck you very much. -- Rr Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. If my

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-16 Thread grarpamp
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=taxation+is+theft https://mises.org/books-library

Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-16 Thread Razer
This... Just this. Rr Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail