Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-05 Thread Kindra Meow
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/06/technology/yahoo-email-tech-companies-government-investigations.html ] Yahoo was ordered last year to search incoming emails for the digital “signature” of a communications method used by a state-sponsored, foreign terrorist organization, according to a governmen

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-05 Thread Razer
On 10/04/2016 08:49 PM, jim bell wrote: > > > *From:* Shawn K. Quinn > > On Wed, 2016-10-05 at 02:26 +, jim bell wrote: > >>> Generally speaking, American Federal laws are not applicable outside >>> the United States (and its territories) unless the law explicitly says >>> so. The term

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread juan
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 04:07:52 - xorc...@sigaint.org wrote: > > On Wed, 2016-10-05 at 00:29 -0300, juan wrote: > >> On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 22:17:36 -0500 > >> "Shawn K. Quinn" wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > I do agree in principle that the information needs to get out > >> > there, and for the US govern

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread xorcist
> On Wed, 2016-10-05 at 00:29 -0300, juan wrote: >> On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 22:17:36 -0500 >> "Shawn K. Quinn" wrote: >> >> > >> > I do agree in principle that the information needs to get out there, >> > and for the US government to try to keep it secret is at least a bit >> > un-American, if not fla

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread jim bell
From: Razer On 10/04/2016 08:07 PM, juan wrote: >>     ...but I don't think the mafia known as 'american government' >>     would agree with that. Subjects, hostages or 'citizens' of the >>     american government are, well, subjected to that mafia. The >>     subjection has little to do with w

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread jim bell
From: Shawn K. Quinn On Wed, 2016-10-05 at 02:26 +, jim bell wrote: >> Generally speaking, American Federal laws are not applicable outside >> the United States (and its territories) unless the law explicitly says >> so.  The term is called "extraterritorial jurisdiction" >> https://en.

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Wed, 2016-10-05 at 00:29 -0300, juan wrote: > On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 22:17:36 -0500 > "Shawn K. Quinn" wrote: > > > > > I do agree in principle that the information needs to get out there, > > and for the US government to try to keep it secret is at least a bit > > un-American, if not flagrantly

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread xorcist
>> The term is called "extraterritorial jurisdiction" > > A double criminal absurdity. The mafia known as government has > no real 'jurisdiction' in the territory they usurp, let alone in > territories 'belonging' to other mafias. On this, at least, we can agree completely. The

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread juan
On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 22:17:36 -0500 "Shawn K. Quinn" wrote: > > I do agree in principle that the information needs to get out there, > and for the US government to try to keep it secret is at least a bit > un-American, if not flagrantly so. Au contraire. It's 100% american. That's what y

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Tue, 2016-10-04 at 20:07 -0700, Razer wrote: > I was going to bring up the concept that corporate officers (at least) > are really OWNED by the corporation that employs them and the US > government probably considers them as 'being in the US' no matter > where they go as long as they're in the e

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Wed, 2016-10-05 at 02:26 +, jim bell wrote: > Generally speaking, American Federal laws are not applicable outside > the United States (and its territories) unless the law explicitly says > so. The term is called "extraterritorial jurisdiction" > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterritori

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread Razer
On 10/04/2016 08:07 PM, juan wrote: > > ...but I don't think the mafia known as 'american government' > would agree with that. Subjects, hostages or 'citizens' of the > american government are, well, subjected to that mafia. The > subjection has little to do with which po

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread juan
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 02:26:53 + (UTC) jim bell wrote: > > Generally speaking, American Federal laws are not applicable outside > the United States (and its territories) unless the law explicitly > says so. > The term is called "extraterritorial jurisdiction" A double criminal absurd

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread jim bell
From: Razer "“Federal law prohibits us from answering your question, and we’re >currently suing the Justice Department for the ability to disclose more >information about government requests,” Twitter spokesman Nu Wexler said >in a statement." Generally speaking, American Federal laws are not a

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread Razer
It's noted in the article that Twitter did a FISA/FISC Glomar: "“Federal law prohibits us from answering your question, and we’re currently suing the Justice Department for the ability to disclose more information about government requests,” Twitter spokesman Nu Wexler said in a statement." On 1

[Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread Razer
On 10/04/2016 02:30 PM, jim bell wrote: > Yahoo secretly scanned customer emails for US intelligence-sources http://dailym.ai/2dOI1gj via http://dailym.ai/android > I wonder if the execs who approved this or someone on Y!'s legal team who advised them to comply is secretly on Google's payroll or