At 01:28 PM 11/3/01 -0800, Tim May wrote:
On Saturday, November 3, 2001, at 11:06 AM, Declan McCullagh wrote:
http://www.wartimeliberty.com/article.pl?sid=01/11/03/1813233
What else is expected in a police state?
The soldiers say who can travel, and where.
Fuck this nation. Fuck it to death
At 12:04 AM 11/4/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
Besides, if this guardsman was as naive as you say how did he know who
she was? As I understood it her name was on a list.
...on a list. of people who purchased their tickets online. w00h00.
Think about that, on a list...
*yawn*
You're an
At 09:47 PM 11/3/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
On 3 Nov 2001, at 13:28, Tim May wrote:
What else is expected in a police state?
The soldiers say who can travel, and where.
Fuck this nation. Fuck it to death and start over.
Tim, you are getting much too cynical!
That isn't the right
On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
At 09:47 PM 11/3/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
On 3 Nov 2001, at 13:28, Tim May wrote:
What else is expected in a police state?
The soldiers say who can travel, and where.
Fuck this nation. Fuck it to death and start over.
Tim, you are
On 3 Nov 2001, at 22:20, Reese wrote:
The dumb cunt brought it on herself. Even you wouldn't spit in the
eye of a cop at your door and expect no action to be taken.
Yes, you are right, she was searching for attention but she received
more than she bargined for. The point is how did the
At 12:32 AM 11/4/01 -0800, S a n d y wrote:
Reese wrote:
You didn't really read the interview,
did you?
The dumb cunt brought it on herself.
Yeah, just like all those other rape victims...
Read the article/interview.
Every airline passenger is going through heightened security
At 02:33 AM 11/4/01 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since when are we required to be cooperative with illegal searches?
Why do you think it was an illegal search?
And what's with the dumb cunt bit?
I calls 'em like I sees 'em, and boy, what she did was dumb.
Reese
At 12:51 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
On 3 Nov 2001, at 22:20, Reese wrote:
The dumb cunt brought it on herself. Even you wouldn't spit in the
eye of a cop at your door and expect no action to be taken.
Yes, you are right, she was searching for attention but she received
On 3 Nov 2001, at 23:07, Reese wrote:
equestrian would not have pissed the nasty guards off, I guess greens
think they can act haughty and snub everyone with impunity - wrong answer
(aka idealism = 0, reality = 1).
I don't really like the greens type of person as they tend to blame
every
On 3 Nov 2001, at 23:12, Reese wrote:
Oh boo hoo hoo. I shed crocodile tears. Truly.
People flagged by the ticket agent, people who purchase tickets online.
That's what got her flagged. Dig deeper, you are missing it.
Obviously. Carry on, you don't need me for this.
What am I
At 01:41 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
On 3 Nov 2001, at 23:07, Reese wrote:
equestrian would not have pissed the nasty guards off, I guess greens
think they can act haughty and snub everyone with impunity - wrong answer
(aka idealism = 0, reality = 1).
I don't really like
At 01:58 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
On 3 Nov 2001, at 23:12, Reese wrote:
Oh boo hoo hoo. I shed crocodile tears. Truly.
People flagged by the ticket agent, people who purchase tickets online.
That's what got her flagged. Dig deeper, you are missing it.
Obviously.
On 4 Nov 2001, at 0:05, Reese wrote:
The real story is that it was flagged, but not because of
politics, but because she bought her ticket online. People
who use Expedia, CheapTickets, LowestFare, Orbitz, and other
rock-bottom and somewhat ANONYMOUS ticket services are having
their tickets
On 4 Nov 2001, at 0:11, Reese wrote:
/simplistic manichaean view
Maybe simple but a legal way of looking at it which must form the
basis of dealing with such situations
You still do not allow for attitude. We reserve the right to refuse
service to anyone.
Attitude is a very scary
At 02:23 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
The real story is that it was flagged, but not because of
politics, but because she bought her ticket online. People
who use Expedia, CheapTickets, LowestFare, Orbitz, and other
rock-bottom and somewhat ANONYMOUS ticket services are
At 02:38 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
On 4 Nov 2001, at 0:11, Reese wrote:
/simplistic manichaean view
Maybe simple but a legal way of looking at it which must form the
basis of dealing with such situations
Note that legal and legitimate are not fully synonymous.
You still
On 4 Nov 2001, at 0:49, Reese wrote:
What is precedent and case history of the We reserve the right...
signs in public establishments, restaurants for example? How about
the no shirts, no shoes, no service signs, whether food is sold
at the establishment or not?
You can deny services to
From Raymond D. Mereniuk:
:I kinda like a place where there is a rule of law and everything is
:totally predictable, something America appears to be moving away
:from at this moment.
--
But the situation *is* entirely predictable:
Some people in scary positions of
Reese wrote:
At 12:32 AM 11/4/01 -0800, S a n d y wrote:
Reese wrote:
You didn't really read the interview,
did you?
The dumb cunt brought it on herself.
Yeah, just like all those other rape victims...
Read the article/interview.
Did. I don't care if she were singles out
--
On 4 Nov 2001, at 1:58, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
What am I missing here? Was the prospective passenger
carrying weapons or anything which could be judged as a
weapon.? Was the prospective passenger deemed a threat to
any of the other passengers or the completion of the flight
to
James A. Donald wrote:
Let us imagine the following scenario.
You are going to board a plane.
Someone who is known to be, or plausibly
alleged to be, a supporter of the
terrorist movements the US is currently
at war with, also wants to board the same
plane. In that situation, your views
On 4 Nov 2001, at 8:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Senator Kerrey was cerrtainly a mass murderer, and the
guardsmen who stopped her from flying were certainly thugs,
but the reason there are arguably grounds for overlooking
Kerrey's cynical murders and the guardsmen's thuggery ,is
that in
At 03:10 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
Back to Sandy's coments Re: rape victims. Just because you got a
big mouth doesn't mean you should become a victim.
Would you say greeting every police officer you meet by calling them
useless pigs would be begging for victimhood?
Reese
At 07:36 AM 11/4/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
Me, to Tim May:
You didn't really read the interview, did you?
The dumb cunt brought it on herself. Even you wouldn't spit in the
eye of a cop at your door and expect no action to be taken.
No she didn't. She
Reese wrote:
Would you say greeting every police officer
you meet by calling them useless pigs
would be begging for victimhood?
I'd say it's protected speech. If the cop can't handle that, can't live up
to his oath to uphold the law of the land, than he shouldn't be a cop.
S a n d y
At 08:07 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Reese wrote:
At 12:32 AM 11/4/01 -0800, S a n d y wrote:
Reese wrote:
You didn't really read the interview,
did you?
The dumb cunt brought it on herself.
Yeah, just like all those other rape victims...
Read the
At 09:36 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Tim May wrote:
Actually, a person or business can refuse to serve on nearly any basis
except race or gender or a few other politically-correct things. Tim's
Surf Shop can choose not to wax the board of Reese, for whatever reason
it chooses.
That's right, whether I
At 10:30 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Reese wrote:
Would you say greeting every police officer
you meet by calling them useless pigs
would be begging for victimhood?
I'd say it's protected speech. If the cop can't handle that, can't live up
to his oath to uphold the law of the
At 12:50 PM 11/4/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
At 03:10 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
Back to Sandy's coments Re: rape victims. Just because you got a
big mouth doesn't mean you should become a victim.
Would you say greeting every police
Reese wrote:
At 10:30 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
...
I'd say it's protected speech. If the
cop can't handle that, can't live up
to his oath to uphold the law of the
land, than he shouldn't be a cop.
/idealism Meanwhile, in real life,,,
Meanwhile, in real life, Reese will
At 08:24 AM 11/4/01 -1000, Reese wrote:
Would you say greeting every police officer you meet by calling them
useless pigs would be begging for victimhood?
No, it would be testing the professionalism of the cop/pig in question.
Any cop who reacts to being called useless pig is, in fact, one.
At 10:46 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Reese wrote:
Yet that is how millions of Americans
are treated every day, usually because
their skin isn't white enough, their
bankbook not fat enough. Sound
familiar?
All too familiar. That's why it surprises me how avidly Reese
embraces
At 10:56 AM 11/4/01 -0800, David Honig wrote:
At 08:24 AM 11/4/01 -1000, Reese wrote:
Would you say greeting every police officer you meet by calling them
useless pigs would be begging for victimhood?
No, it would be testing the professionalism of the cop/pig in question.
Yep.
Any cop who
At 01:03 PM 11/4/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
I'd say it was a good litmus test as to who should actually be a
police officer. Anyone who got perturbed by such a comment has
zero business being a law enforcement officer.
I agree. Given the current crop of
On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 08:45:05AM -1000, Reese wrote:
of Nat.Guard troops for civil things. So long as they do not bring in
regular active duty military, in violation of the posse comitatus act.
This shows a common but not entirely correct view of the PCA. You may wish to
read it for
O-kay - the learning process begins. In every war we've ever fought,
we've learned from our opponents - if the political leadership gave us
the opportunity to do it.
Now we know the Talibs have small, heavily armed forces staked out NEXT
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
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Too late.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If Governments really
On 3 Nov 2001, at 22:10, Tim May wrote:
This is why we are supposed to be a nation of _laws_, not of _men_. It
doesn't matter whether these soldiers are country bumpkins or not: the
Constitution still applies. (Scholars may opine that Bangor
International Airport has invited soldiers onto
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At 10:12 PM 11/3/01 -1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Any reasonable person reading Declan's article would realize the
dumb cunt brought it on herself by being a curmudgeon and a very
uncooperative one at that.
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On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
Your mention of the list and the guardsman being aware of this
horrible threat coming through the airport were assumed but my
thought was it was a local redneck or folks in a vigilante mood. It
would appear this person was targeted. When
On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
You didn't really read the interview, did you?
The dumb cunt brought it on herself. Even you wouldn't spit in the
eye of a cop at your door and expect no action to be taken.
No she didn't. She has a legitimate right to express her political views
of her
On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Blanc wrote:
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'Patriots' did it.
Actually I think they first sent out warning, tarred and feathered the
objectionable who ignored it while
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On Sunday, November 4, 2001, at 03:10 AM, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
On 4 Nov 2001, at 0:49, Reese wrote:
What is precedent and case history of the We reserve the right...
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the no shirts, no shoes, no service signs, whether
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
At 03:10 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
Back to Sandy's coments Re: rape victims. Just because you got a
big mouth doesn't mean you should become a victim.
Would you say greeting every police officer you meet by calling them
useless
On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
At 03:10 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
Back to Sandy's coments Re: rape victims. Just because you got a
big mouth doesn't mean you should become a victim.
Would you say greeting every police
Reese wrote:
You didn't really read the interview,
did you?
The dumb cunt brought it on herself.
Yeah, just like all those other rape victims...
S a n d y
On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
At 12:50 PM 11/4/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
At 03:10 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
Back to Sandy's coments Re: rape victims. Just because you got a
big mouth doesn't mean you should become a victim.
On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
At the moment, it's National Guard, there is a long precedent for use
of Nat.Guard troops for civil things. So long as they do not bring in
regular active duty military, in violation of the posse comitatus act.
And it is pure judicial fiat. Guardsmen on
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
Working for the governor of their respective states, unless you're saying
they've been called up by the Army and federalized. There is a long list
States are prohibited from having troops. Any(!) troops in the US (be they
military, guard, or militia) ARE
On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
States are not prohibited from having a militia, the National Guard is an
organized militia, until such time they are federalized, at which point
they fall under the Army's Chain of Command.
No, the can't except in cases of invasion.
Why do you think all
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
Whatever Jim. Have it your way, a century of precedent means nothing.
I wish
The point that the government is so far outside the Constitution and any
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At 07:00 PM 11/04/2001 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
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On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 07:01:43PM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote:
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Right. He claims the report is
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
You've yet to show how the airport departure lounge and check-in counter
is the proper venue to address this. It isn't.
??? Why 'where' even relevant? If it doesn't apply all day, every day,
every place then it applies no place at no time.
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