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2002-11-20 Thread Tyler Durden
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2002-11-20 Thread Trei, Peter
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2002-11-20 Thread Jack Reed
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Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

2002-11-20 Thread Tiarnan
> "MD" == Mike Diehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: MD> And the middle east is the only place we meddle? I think not. MD> But the middle east is the only place who has overtly attacked MD> us. A minor point about grammar and logic: places don't attack, overtly or covertly, neither

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Re: Onion Self-Censorship

2002-11-20 Thread Robbie Honerkamp
On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 12:01, Eric Cordian wrote: > Does anyone have a copy of the article they could post? I'd like to see > what sorts of comments about "terrorism" are unacceptable to publish, even > as parody. http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:aTDv7HqpUIsJ:www.theonion.com/onion3842/those_

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2002-11-20 Thread Eric Cordian
Cable News is reporting that the Onion, America's Finest News Source, has pulled from its Web site an article on the recent siege at the Moscow theatre by Chechen rebels. Does anyone have a copy of the article they could post? I'd like to see what sorts of comments about "terrorism" are unaccepta

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Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
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2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
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Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who'sne

2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
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