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2004-01-05 Thread James A. Donald
-- This small step forward is ultimately a result of https. The more advanced technologies that have been a focus of discussion of this list have yet to have real effect, but I see the infrastructure that would create demand for such technologies coming into being. On 5 Jan 2004 at 11:57,

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Re: progress

2004-01-05 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 5 Jan 2004 at 15:33, Declan McCullagh wrote: But I'm not overly optimistic (I tend not to be, in the short run). I do not know how resistant the e-gold corporate and technical infrastructure is to U.S. federal government targeting. If the Feds decided e-gold needed to be shut down

Re: progress

2004-01-05 Thread James A. Donald
-- Declan McCullagh wrote: If the Feds decided e-gold needed to be shut down and took very aggressive steps, what would happen? Steve Schear wrote: Initially there would likely be a surge in use by their competitors, like Pecunix, that operate entirely outside the US. Later new

Re: progress

2004-01-05 Thread Steve Schear
At 01:33 PM 1/5/2004, Declan McCullagh wrote: This is a welcome step, assuming the pharms are legit. We still need some form of reputation service. But I'm not overly optimistic (I tend not to be, in the short run). I do not know how resistant the e-gold corporate and technical infrastructure is

Re: Vengeance Libertarianism

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Re: progress

2004-01-05 Thread James A. Donald
-- Declan McCullagh: But then you have the next wave of attacks by the U.S. regulatory apparatus (again, assuming sufficient determination). The U.S. could pressure the Panama government to close Pecunix or apply direct or indirect sanctions and incentives. The U.S. could make it more

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Re: Vengeance Libertarianism

2004-01-05 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 12:45:51PM -0800, Tim May wrote: those working had to work even harder. A vicious circle, much like the one now facing American industry, where more and more workers are claiming bogus disability and where the insurance costs are driving companies out of the country.

Re: Vengeance Libertarianism

2004-01-05 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 10:23:27AM -0500, Michael Kalus wrote: If mankind would act that way we would have been extinct a long time ago. A single human being is a rather weak individual. There isn't much we could have done. ... Even though I do not agree with people sitting on their asses

Re: progress

2004-01-05 Thread Declan McCullagh
At 04:53 PM 1/5/2004, Steve Schear wrote: Initially there would likely be a surge in use by their competitors, like Pecunix, that operate entirely outside the US. Later new entrants would probably spring up. Undoubtably, over a period of years, you're right. But then you have the next wave of

Re: Vengeance Libertarianism

2004-01-05 Thread John Kelsey
At 12:45 PM 12/31/03 -0800, Tim May wrote: ... I don't claim this is a right implicit in the fabric of space-time, or handed down by Moloch or YHWH or some other supernatural myth-figure. Rather, societies which have taken money from workers to give to others to sit at home and breed or eat

Re: Vengeance Libertarianism

2004-01-05 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:58 PM 1/5/04 -0600, Declan McCullagh wrote: With that evidence in hand, the employer calls them up and tells them to be at work the next day -- or be fired. If I were the employer, I wouldn't even give them that second chance. Motivation might be loss of training or worry over lawsuit?

Re: progress

2004-01-05 Thread Steve Schear
At 02:29 PM 1/5/2004, you wrote: At 04:53 PM 1/5/2004, Steve Schear wrote: Initially there would likely be a surge in use by their competitors, like Pecunix, that operate entirely outside the US. Later new entrants would probably spring up. Undoubtably, over a period of years, you're right.

Re: Quantum Loop Gravity Be For Whitey

2004-01-05 Thread Tim May
On Jan 1, 2004, at 8:20 PM, J.A. Terranson wrote: Tim May wrote... In conclusion, your Bedford-Stuy student who doesn't see the point to studying math will never be a math researcher, or a physicist, or a chemist, or anything else of that sort. So no point in trying to convince him to study his

Re: Quantum Loop Gravity Be For Whitey

2004-01-05 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:14 AM 1/1/04 -0800, Eric Cordian wrote: Of course, they still need one to determine who gets the shit-hauling jobs, and the usual method of doing this is to hide the class system in the education system. Now you don't get the shit-hauling job because you are an untouchable. You get it

Re: Singers jailed for lyrics

2004-01-05 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 08:19 PM 12/31/03 -0500, John Kelsey wrote: At 05:56 PM 12/30/03 -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: If I were a neocon asshole, I would. Instead, I regard liberation as a local task, and interfering with sovereignty as the initiation of force, ie an act of war. Well, clearly bombing and

Re: Vengeance Libertarianism

2004-01-05 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 08:45 PM 12/31/03 -0500, John Kelsey wrote: You do know she's been trying the same scheme for several hundred thousand years, right? As an artist, I think she's in a creative decline. Ebola is picturesque and flashy, but not all that scary unless your funeral rites involve lots of contact

Re: Quantum Loop Gravity Be For Whitey

2004-01-05 Thread Tim May
On Jan 2, 2004, at 12:03 AM, Tim May wrote: So Kennedy's liberals scratched their heads and came up with a new plan. Relief would be converted to a series of state and national programs, no longer handled locally. And the bad connotations of relief would be changed by the new and positive name

Fwd: Quantum Loop Gravity Be For Whitey

2004-01-05 Thread Tim May
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RE: Quantum Loop Gravity Be For Whitey

2004-01-05 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 11:51 AM 1/1/04 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Stay In School! In other words, schools keep the crime rates down, as is a well-known statistic. They are basically storage facilities. For real schools we white folks with $$$ can move out to the suburbs or send our kids to private school. Right.

progress

2004-01-05 Thread James A. Donald
-- This small step forward is ultimately a result of https. The more advanced technologies that have been a focus of discussion of this list have yet to have real effect, but I see the infrastructure that would create demand for such technologies coming into being. On 5 Jan 2004 at 11:57,

Re: progress

2004-01-05 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 5 Jan 2004 at 15:33, Declan McCullagh wrote: But I'm not overly optimistic (I tend not to be, in the short run). I do not know how resistant the e-gold corporate and technical infrastructure is to U.S. federal government targeting. If the Feds decided e-gold needed to be shut down

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2004-01-05 Thread Major Variola (ret.)
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Re: Sources and Sinks

2004-01-05 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 08:07:37AM -0500, Michael Kalus wrote: Replace Government with Society and you're getting somewhere. Where will your brand new sports car go when you don't have a road to drive on? Who will pay the cops when there are no taxes being collected? These questions have

Re: progress

2004-01-05 Thread Declan McCullagh
This is a welcome step, assuming the pharms are legit. We still need some form of reputation service. But I'm not overly optimistic (I tend not to be, in the short run). I do not know how resistant the e-gold corporate and technical infrastructure is to U.S. federal government targeting. If the

Re: progress

2004-01-05 Thread Steve Schear
At 01:33 PM 1/5/2004, Declan McCullagh wrote: This is a welcome step, assuming the pharms are legit. We still need some form of reputation service. But I'm not overly optimistic (I tend not to be, in the short run). I do not know how resistant the e-gold corporate and technical infrastructure is

Re: Vengeance Libertarianism

2004-01-05 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 12:45:51PM -0800, Tim May wrote: those working had to work even harder. A vicious circle, much like the one now facing American industry, where more and more workers are claiming bogus disability and where the insurance costs are driving companies out of the country.

Re: Vengeance Libertarianism

2004-01-05 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:58 PM 1/5/04 -0600, Declan McCullagh wrote: With that evidence in hand, the employer calls them up and tells them to be at work the next day -- or be fired. If I were the employer, I wouldn't even give them that second chance. Motivation might be loss of training or worry over lawsuit?