[Remops] Comparison between two practical mix designs (Mixmaster vs. Reliable) (fwd from peter@palfrader.org)
- Forwarded message from Peter Palfrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Peter Palfrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:30:03 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Remops] Comparison between two practical mix designs (Mixmaster vs. Reliable) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i Hi, you may be interested in a paper by Claudia Diaz, Len Sassaman, and Evelyne Dewitte. Evelyne is a statistician and Claudia an anonymity researcher, both at the University of Leuven, Belgium. Abstract: We evaluate the anonymity provided by two popular email mix implementations, Mixmaster and Reliable, and compare their effectiveness through the use of simulations which model the algorithms used by these mixing applications. In order to draw accurate conclusions about the operation of these mixes, we use as our input to these simulations actual traffic data obtained from a public anonymous remailer (mix node). We determine that assumptions made in previous literature about the distribution of mix input traffic are incorrect, and our analysis of the input traffic shows that it follows no known distribution. We establish for the first time that a lower bound exists on the anonymity of Mixmaster, and discover that under certain circumstances the algorithm used by Reliable provides no anonymity. We find that the upper bound on anonymity provided by Mixmaster is slightly higher than that provided by Reliable. We identify flaws in the software code in Reliable that further compromise its ability to provide anonymity, and review key areas which are necessary for the security of a mix in addition to a sound algorithm. Our analysis can be used to evaluate under which circumstances the two mixing algorithms should be utilized to best achieve anonymity and satisfy their purpose. Our work can also be used as a framework for establishing a security review process for mix node deployments. The full paper can be found at http://www.abditum.com/~rabbi/mixvreliable.pdf Note that this is still a draft. -- Stats, Metastats, All Pingers' List, RemSaint, Keyrings: http://www.noreply.org/ Echolot - a pinger for Anonymous Remailers - http://www.palfrader.org/echolot/ ___ Remops mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://freedom.gmsociety.org/mailman/listinfo/remops - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
The Gilmore Dimissal
It's really getting to the point where judges don't even go through the motions of respecting the Constitution any more. All they have to do is recite the magic words that Society's Overwhelming Interest in protecting its children, police officers, kitty cats, or whatever, overrides whatever Constitutional issues there are. So of course, society's interest in protecting police officers allows New Orleans police to search your home or business at any time, for any reason, or for no reason at all. As long as the cop mumbles something about making sure he's safe. Similarly, society's interest in ensuring the safety of airline passengers allows ID to be demanded and searches, and anyways, your right to freely travel is not being impeded, because there's always Greyhound. Of course, they can stop the bus and search everyone on it at will too. These problems stem directly from the horrible mistake, many years ago in the early days of our Republic, of letting what the Constitution says be what the judiciary claims the Constitution says, as opposed to what the Constitution itself states, thus giving the Judicial branch of government absolute power over the Legislative and Executive branches. As George Wallace once stated, The country is run by thugs and federal judges. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law
RE: who needs Padilla when you have govt?
Just for the heck of it, it would be interesting to look at demographic data for the area -TD From: Major Variola (ret.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: who needs Padilla when you have govt? Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:34:54 -0800 STATE OF CONNETICUT REPORTED THE DISCOVERY OF A STRONTIUM-90 SOURCE The item was found adjacent to a house in a wooded area in East Lyme, CT. It was a cylinder measuring 6 inches in length and 2 inches in diameter. The bottom of the cylinder had the following serial number: M2477. It was a general licensed strontium-90 source. The source was contained inside a metal box with a radioactive material symbol on the outside. The State response personnel conducted a radiological survey. The source read 250 millirem per hour on contact for gamma. The source read 3.2 rem per hour on contact for beta. At 12 inches, the source measured 5 millirem per hour. At one meter the source measured less than 1 millirem per hour. The State took the source to a secure locked location for followup on Monday to try to determine the owner. * * * UPDATE 0900 ON 3/29/04 MOSS (NMSS) TO GOTT * * * The item was identified as a component to a helicopter In-flight Blade Inspection System. Notified Mark Evetts at the Homeland Security Operations Center. http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/event-status/event/2004/20040330en.html _ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar FREE! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/
Re: The Gilmore Dimissal
At 10:22 AM 3/30/2004, Eric Cordian wrote: So of course, society's interest in protecting police officers allows New Orleans police to search your home or business at any time, for any reason, or for no reason at all. As long as the cop mumbles something about making sure he's safe. The NOLA PD spokescritter said their new powers will be used judiciously, which is an entertaining phrase to use when you really mean without asking a judge. Similarly, society's interest in ensuring the safety of airline passengers allows ID to be demanded and searches, and anyways, your right to freely travel is not being impeded, because there's always Greyhound. Of course, they can stop the bus and search everyone on it at will too. Greyhound demands ID at some locations as well; my brother got surprised when his trip, which hadn't demanded ID on the way out, got routed through Chicago on the return and they did demand ID. These problems stem directly from the horrible mistake, many years ago in the early days of our Republic, of letting what the Constitution says be what the judiciary claims the Constitution says, as opposed to what the Constitution itself states, thus giving the Judicial branch of government absolute power over the Legislative and Executive branches. Marbury vs. Madison was an entertainingly kinky case, but the ability of judges to declare laws or executive actions Unconstitutional and therefore void is the main thing that's made the Bill of Rights effective (to the extent it has been.) The courts have often failed in that duty, but it's rightly theirs. The alternative would be that the Constitution means whatever the executive branch of government says it means, and whatever the legislature says it means, and if the police wanted to keep you in jail and didn't need to obey writs of habeas corpus, you'd rot in jail, and if they didn't feel that they needed search warrants, like they generally didn't before the Exclusionary Rule, they wouldn't bother getting them, and if the legislature wanted to tax something that the Constitution didn't explicitly authorize them to tax, they'd just tax it and you'd have no recourse (ok, that one's not much different than today...) As George Wallace once stated, The country is run by thugs and federal judges. He was one of the thugs, of course...
Re: The Gilmore Dimissal
Bill Stewart wrote: Marbury vs. Madison was an entertainingly kinky case, but the ability of judges to declare laws or executive actions Unconstitutional and therefore void is the main thing that's made the Bill of Rights effective (to the extent it has been.) The courts have often failed in that duty, but it's rightly theirs. The alternative would be that the Constitution means whatever the executive branch of government says it means, and whatever the legislature says it means, ... I believe that the intent of the Founding Fathers was that an armed populace would be familiar with the letter of the Constitution, and tolerate no creative reinterpretation of it by any of the three branches of Guv'mint. As George Wallace once stated, The country is run by thugs and federal judges. He was one of the thugs, of course... He rehabiliated himself through terrible suffering, repented his racist views, and made friends with Jesse Jackson. People can change. I can still remember from back in the 60's Mike Wallace reporting with a perfectly straight face on the Negroid Characteristics of some monkey skull found by a archeological expedition. One of the nice things about ignorance is that it is curable. Unlike Neo-Conservatism. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law
Re: The Gilmore Dimissal
93: One of the nice things about ignorance is that it is curable. Unlike Neo-Conservatism. Or more accurately - Neo CONfidence artist. Would be nice to turn those into NEO convicts, but we may as well dream of a free country. Many, many, thanks go to Richard Clarke for exposing the truth we all suspected. So, I'm not quite current about the Gilmore dismissal - is the subject line misspelled? Is there some URL regarding news of this? I take it from the gripes that John's lawsuit against Asscruft re: flying without ID was dismissed?
RE: The Gilmore Dimissal
So of course, society's interest in protecting police officers allows New Orleans police to search your home or business at any time, for any reason, or for no reason at all. As long as the cop mumbles something about making sure he's safe. Actually, this is particularly hilarious. The Cops in New Orleans have become astoundingly corrupt recently, with shootouts between rival factions occuring during Bank Holdups (ie, between the cops robbing the bank and a rival group arriving on scene to uphold the law and protecting their own stake). Apparently the payout for such activities has risen high enough that local judges are now in on the action. Next time a government official talks about protecting the public try to see if he winks into the camera... -TD From: Eric Cordian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Gilmore Dimissal Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:22:35 -0800 (PST) It's really getting to the point where judges don't even go through the motions of respecting the Constitution any more. All they have to do is recite the magic words that Society's Overwhelming Interest in protecting its children, police officers, kitty cats, or whatever, overrides whatever Constitutional issues there are. So of course, society's interest in protecting police officers allows New Orleans police to search your home or business at any time, for any reason, or for no reason at all. As long as the cop mumbles something about making sure he's safe. Similarly, society's interest in ensuring the safety of airline passengers allows ID to be demanded and searches, and anyways, your right to freely travel is not being impeded, because there's always Greyhound. Of course, they can stop the bus and search everyone on it at will too. These problems stem directly from the horrible mistake, many years ago in the early days of our Republic, of letting what the Constitution says be what the judiciary claims the Constitution says, as opposed to what the Constitution itself states, thus giving the Judicial branch of government absolute power over the Legislative and Executive branches. As George Wallace once stated, The country is run by thugs and federal judges. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law _ Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage. Multiple plans available. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-uspage=hotmail/es2ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/
Re: The Gilmore Dimissal
On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 12:44:02PM -0800, Eric Cordian wrote: Bill Stewart wrote: Marbury vs. Madison was an entertainingly kinky case, but the ability of judges to declare laws or executive actions Unconstitutional and therefore void is the main thing that's made the Bill of Rights effective (to the extent it has been.) The courts have often failed in that duty, but it's rightly theirs. The alternative would be that the Constitution means whatever the executive branch of government says it means, and whatever the legislature says it means, ... I believe that the intent of the Founding Fathers was that an armed populace would be familiar with the letter of the Constitution, and tolerate no creative reinterpretation of it by any of the three branches of Guv'mint. Yas, yas, yas -- and the only place we can see this being enacted is in Venezuela, where more people carry copies of their Constitution than carry the bible, and not only carry it, but know it by heart. How ironic that a leftist movement brought this about. One of the nice things about ignorance is that it is curable. Unlike Neo-Conservatism. Or politicians in general. I'll alway remember a professor correcting me when I said something about some pol being so stupid, and he responded: Don't ever think that they are stupid, they aren't stupid -- stupid people can be taught, they can be persuaded with facts -- these people aren't stupid, they are venal, they are evil. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
Re: The Gilmore Dimissal
On Mar 30, 2004, at 13:22, Bill Stewart wrote: Greyhound demands ID at some locations as well; my brother got surprised when his trip, which hadn't demanded ID on the way out, got routed through Chicago on the return and they did demand ID. I was curious about that. I notice now that Amtrak requires ID as well: http://www.amtrak.com/idrequire.html Does anyone know when this happened, or have experiences with having to show ID on Amtrak? You need ID to drive, bus, train, or fly... I guess all that's left is walking and possibly biking. :P --bgt
Re: The Gilmore Dimissal
I was curious about that. I notice now that Amtrak requires ID as well: http://www.amtrak.com/idrequire.html Does anyone know when this happened, or have experiences with having to show ID on Amtrak? Sometime before early January this year, at least (probably significantly before). However, from DC Union Station (and probably many other stations), you can use the automated ticket system which 'only' asks for a credit card, no govt ID needed. And all the conductors care about is if you have a ticket. Philadelphia's automated system doesn't accept my credit card for mysterious reasons, so I have had to present ID when buying a ticket there. I haven't observed them doing any sort of scanning on my ID when I show it; anyway my ID doesn't have a magnetic stripe like the ones issued by most states around here, just an optical code. They copy down the name at least (shows up on the ticket), but it's hard to get a good look at their hands as they type, so it's possible they also grab the state/license # pair, which ties back to who-knows-what databases. -Jack pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: The Gilmore Dimissal
At 04:35 PM 3/30/04 -0600, bgt wrote: You need ID to drive, bus, train, or fly... I guess all that's left is walking and possibly biking. :P The police can ask for ID if you're walking and fit a description (negro in plaid shirt I believe was the instance); also that Nevada case pending in the Supremes *may* mean that you must present papers. There was also a decision last year IIRC that said that car *passengers* had to show ID if asked. Not drivers, passengers. And of course its illegal to lie to pigs. And not vice-versa. Not sure if biking on a road requires ID, but you are subject to traffic law; I knew a guy who got a traffic ticket for running a stop sign. Also bikes may require licenses for $ in some towns. Go for the head shot, they're wearing body armor. --G. Gordon Liddy
Re: The Gilmore Dimissal
On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 06:43:21PM -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 04:35 PM 3/30/04 -0600, bgt wrote: You need ID to drive, bus, train, or fly... I guess all that's left is walking and possibly biking. :P Not sure if biking on a road requires ID It doesn't. You'll get harassed by cops if they stop you though. They can't do anything; they're just unhappy about citizens who don't show their papers. , but you are subject to traffic law; I knew a guy who got a traffic ticket for running a stop sign. Also bikes may require licenses for $ in some towns. No one gets those. But its possible that over-zealous cops could seize your $5000 Lightspeed because it doesn't have a $2 city sticker... for every city you ride through. Eric
Re: Liquid Natural Flatulence
Anyway, about a decade ago, Distrigas, the company that owns the facility in question, ran several *military* -- not law-enforcement - -- anti-terrorism scenarios to see exactly what would be needed to take the place out. What I've heard, albeit second-hand, is that in order to get a useful amount of that halfway-to-absolute-zero natural gas actually *flammable*, much less explosive, someone would have to ring the whole tank with a *huge* amount of explosives themselves, I'm no big fan of science by press release, but when's the last time you heard of anyone saying Well, we looked at our security situation, and two teenagers with bottle rockets could set this thing off. That's why the CEO has decided to move out of town. The usual response after you've pointed out a devastating attack on someone's system is yeah, but who'd think of that or but you're being unrealistic--real attackers will do this other thing (that we just happen to have defended against) instead. Cheers, RAH --John Kelsey, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: FA48 3237 9AD5 30AC EEDD BBC8 2A80 6948 4CAA F259
Re: The Gilmore Dimissal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one gets those. But its possible that over-zealous cops could seize your $5000 Lightspeed because it doesn't have a $2 city sticker... for every city you ride through. I managed to get a ticket for riding my bike on the wrong side of the road. When the cop told me he was giving me a ticket, I said to him you're not serious; shouldn't you be out catching criminals or something? He didn't seem to appreciate it. Oh well, fuck him. -- Riad Wahby [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIT VI-2 M.Eng
Re: The Gilmore Dimissal
On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 06:01:57PM -0500, Jack Lloyd wrote: Sometime before early January this year, at least (probably significantly before). However, from DC Union Station (and probably many other stations), you can use the automated ticket system which 'only' asks for a credit card, no govt ID needed. And all the conductors care about is if you have a That is still the case. I took Amtrak NYC-DC this week. -Declan
[Remops] Comparison between two practical mix designs (Mixmaster vs. Reliable) (fwd from peter@palfrader.org)
- Forwarded message from Peter Palfrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Peter Palfrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:30:03 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Remops] Comparison between two practical mix designs (Mixmaster vs. Reliable) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i Hi, you may be interested in a paper by Claudia Diaz, Len Sassaman, and Evelyne Dewitte. Evelyne is a statistician and Claudia an anonymity researcher, both at the University of Leuven, Belgium. Abstract: We evaluate the anonymity provided by two popular email mix implementations, Mixmaster and Reliable, and compare their effectiveness through the use of simulations which model the algorithms used by these mixing applications. In order to draw accurate conclusions about the operation of these mixes, we use as our input to these simulations actual traffic data obtained from a public anonymous remailer (mix node). We determine that assumptions made in previous literature about the distribution of mix input traffic are incorrect, and our analysis of the input traffic shows that it follows no known distribution. We establish for the first time that a lower bound exists on the anonymity of Mixmaster, and discover that under certain circumstances the algorithm used by Reliable provides no anonymity. We find that the upper bound on anonymity provided by Mixmaster is slightly higher than that provided by Reliable. We identify flaws in the software code in Reliable that further compromise its ability to provide anonymity, and review key areas which are necessary for the security of a mix in addition to a sound algorithm. Our analysis can be used to evaluate under which circumstances the two mixing algorithms should be utilized to best achieve anonymity and satisfy their purpose. Our work can also be used as a framework for establishing a security review process for mix node deployments. The full paper can be found at http://www.abditum.com/~rabbi/mixvreliable.pdf Note that this is still a draft. -- Stats, Metastats, All Pingers' List, RemSaint, Keyrings: http://www.noreply.org/ Echolot - a pinger for Anonymous Remailers - http://www.palfrader.org/echolot/ ___ Remops mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://freedom.gmsociety.org/mailman/listinfo/remops - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: who needs Padilla when you have govt?
Just for the heck of it, it would be interesting to look at demographic data for the area -TD From: Major Variola (ret.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: who needs Padilla when you have govt? Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:34:54 -0800 STATE OF CONNETICUT REPORTED THE DISCOVERY OF A STRONTIUM-90 SOURCE The item was found adjacent to a house in a wooded area in East Lyme, CT. It was a cylinder measuring 6 inches in length and 2 inches in diameter. The bottom of the cylinder had the following serial number: M2477. It was a general licensed strontium-90 source. The source was contained inside a metal box with a radioactive material symbol on the outside. The State response personnel conducted a radiological survey. The source read 250 millirem per hour on contact for gamma. The source read 3.2 rem per hour on contact for beta. At 12 inches, the source measured 5 millirem per hour. At one meter the source measured less than 1 millirem per hour. The State took the source to a secure locked location for followup on Monday to try to determine the owner. * * * UPDATE 0900 ON 3/29/04 MOSS (NMSS) TO GOTT * * * The item was identified as a component to a helicopter In-flight Blade Inspection System. Notified Mark Evetts at the Homeland Security Operations Center. http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/event-status/event/2004/20040330en.html _ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar FREE! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/
Re: The Gilmore Dimissal
At 10:22 AM 3/30/2004, Eric Cordian wrote: So of course, society's interest in protecting police officers allows New Orleans police to search your home or business at any time, for any reason, or for no reason at all. As long as the cop mumbles something about making sure he's safe. The NOLA PD spokescritter said their new powers will be used judiciously, which is an entertaining phrase to use when you really mean without asking a judge. Similarly, society's interest in ensuring the safety of airline passengers allows ID to be demanded and searches, and anyways, your right to freely travel is not being impeded, because there's always Greyhound. Of course, they can stop the bus and search everyone on it at will too. Greyhound demands ID at some locations as well; my brother got surprised when his trip, which hadn't demanded ID on the way out, got routed through Chicago on the return and they did demand ID. These problems stem directly from the horrible mistake, many years ago in the early days of our Republic, of letting what the Constitution says be what the judiciary claims the Constitution says, as opposed to what the Constitution itself states, thus giving the Judicial branch of government absolute power over the Legislative and Executive branches. Marbury vs. Madison was an entertainingly kinky case, but the ability of judges to declare laws or executive actions Unconstitutional and therefore void is the main thing that's made the Bill of Rights effective (to the extent it has been.) The courts have often failed in that duty, but it's rightly theirs. The alternative would be that the Constitution means whatever the executive branch of government says it means, and whatever the legislature says it means, and if the police wanted to keep you in jail and didn't need to obey writs of habeas corpus, you'd rot in jail, and if they didn't feel that they needed search warrants, like they generally didn't before the Exclusionary Rule, they wouldn't bother getting them, and if the legislature wanted to tax something that the Constitution didn't explicitly authorize them to tax, they'd just tax it and you'd have no recourse (ok, that one's not much different than today...) As George Wallace once stated, The country is run by thugs and federal judges. He was one of the thugs, of course...
Re: The Gilmore Dimissal
At 04:35 PM 3/30/04 -0600, bgt wrote: You need ID to drive, bus, train, or fly... I guess all that's left is walking and possibly biking. :P The police can ask for ID if you're walking and fit a description (negro in plaid shirt I believe was the instance); also that Nevada case pending in the Supremes *may* mean that you must present papers. There was also a decision last year IIRC that said that car *passengers* had to show ID if asked. Not drivers, passengers. And of course its illegal to lie to pigs. And not vice-versa. Not sure if biking on a road requires ID, but you are subject to traffic law; I knew a guy who got a traffic ticket for running a stop sign. Also bikes may require licenses for $ in some towns. Go for the head shot, they're wearing body armor. --G. Gordon Liddy
Re: The Gilmore Dimissal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one gets those. But its possible that over-zealous cops could seize your $5000 Lightspeed because it doesn't have a $2 city sticker... for every city you ride through. I managed to get a ticket for riding my bike on the wrong side of the road. When the cop told me he was giving me a ticket, I said to him you're not serious; shouldn't you be out catching criminals or something? He didn't seem to appreciate it. Oh well, fuck him. -- Riad Wahby [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIT VI-2 M.Eng
Re: The Gilmore Dimissal
On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 06:43:21PM -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 04:35 PM 3/30/04 -0600, bgt wrote: You need ID to drive, bus, train, or fly... I guess all that's left is walking and possibly biking. :P Not sure if biking on a road requires ID It doesn't. You'll get harassed by cops if they stop you though. They can't do anything; they're just unhappy about citizens who don't show their papers. , but you are subject to traffic law; I knew a guy who got a traffic ticket for running a stop sign. Also bikes may require licenses for $ in some towns. No one gets those. But its possible that over-zealous cops could seize your $5000 Lightspeed because it doesn't have a $2 city sticker... for every city you ride through. Eric
Re: Liquid Natural Flatulence
Anyway, about a decade ago, Distrigas, the company that owns the facility in question, ran several *military* -- not law-enforcement - -- anti-terrorism scenarios to see exactly what would be needed to take the place out. What I've heard, albeit second-hand, is that in order to get a useful amount of that halfway-to-absolute-zero natural gas actually *flammable*, much less explosive, someone would have to ring the whole tank with a *huge* amount of explosives themselves, I'm no big fan of science by press release, but when's the last time you heard of anyone saying Well, we looked at our security situation, and two teenagers with bottle rockets could set this thing off. That's why the CEO has decided to move out of town. The usual response after you've pointed out a devastating attack on someone's system is yeah, but who'd think of that or but you're being unrealistic--real attackers will do this other thing (that we just happen to have defended against) instead. Cheers, RAH --John Kelsey, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: FA48 3237 9AD5 30AC EEDD BBC8 2A80 6948 4CAA F259
eVoting mistakes affect race, certified anyway
Ballot Error Effect Cited Orange County registrar says incorrect electronic ballots may have altered a race's outcome, but says results will be certified today. By Jean O. Pasco Times Staff Writer March 30, 2004 Although some Orange County voters cast the wrong electronic ballots in the March 2 primary, potentially altering the outcome of one race for a Democratic Party post, Registrar Steve Rodermund said he will certify the results of the election today. In a report circulated late Monday to the Board of Supervisors, Rodermund acknowledged for the first time that his office's failures could have affected a race and gave ammunition to critics of electronic voting. The report said 33 voters out of 16,655 in the 69th Assembly District received the wrong ballots and were unable to vote for six open seats on the Democratic Central Committee. The candidate who finished seventh in that contest, Art Hoffman, trailed sixth-place candidate Jim Pantone in the final count by 13 votes. However, 99.7% of Orange County ballots were cast properly in the primary, Rodermund will tell supervisors today before certifying the election results to the secretary of state. snip http://www.latimes.com/news/local/orange/la-me-machines30mar30,1,4776413,print.story?coll=la-editions-orange Fuck democracy, we've got money to spend!
who needs Padilla when you have govt?
STATE OF CONNETICUT REPORTED THE DISCOVERY OF A STRONTIUM-90 SOURCE The item was found adjacent to a house in a wooded area in East Lyme, CT. It was a cylinder measuring 6 inches in length and 2 inches in diameter. The bottom of the cylinder had the following serial number: M2477. It was a general licensed strontium-90 source. The source was contained inside a metal box with a radioactive material symbol on the outside. The State response personnel conducted a radiological survey. The source read 250 millirem per hour on contact for gamma. The source read 3.2 rem per hour on contact for beta. At 12 inches, the source measured 5 millirem per hour. At one meter the source measured less than 1 millirem per hour. The State took the source to a secure locked location for followup on Monday to try to determine the owner. * * * UPDATE 0900 ON 3/29/04 MOSS (NMSS) TO GOTT * * * The item was identified as a component to a helicopter In-flight Blade Inspection System. Notified Mark Evetts at the Homeland Security Operations Center. http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/event-status/event/2004/20040330en.html
The Gilmore Dimissal
It's really getting to the point where judges don't even go through the motions of respecting the Constitution any more. All they have to do is recite the magic words that Society's Overwhelming Interest in protecting its children, police officers, kitty cats, or whatever, overrides whatever Constitutional issues there are. So of course, society's interest in protecting police officers allows New Orleans police to search your home or business at any time, for any reason, or for no reason at all. As long as the cop mumbles something about making sure he's safe. Similarly, society's interest in ensuring the safety of airline passengers allows ID to be demanded and searches, and anyways, your right to freely travel is not being impeded, because there's always Greyhound. Of course, they can stop the bus and search everyone on it at will too. These problems stem directly from the horrible mistake, many years ago in the early days of our Republic, of letting what the Constitution says be what the judiciary claims the Constitution says, as opposed to what the Constitution itself states, thus giving the Judicial branch of government absolute power over the Legislative and Executive branches. As George Wallace once stated, The country is run by thugs and federal judges. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law
Re: The Gilmore Dimissal
Bill Stewart wrote: Marbury vs. Madison was an entertainingly kinky case, but the ability of judges to declare laws or executive actions Unconstitutional and therefore void is the main thing that's made the Bill of Rights effective (to the extent it has been.) The courts have often failed in that duty, but it's rightly theirs. The alternative would be that the Constitution means whatever the executive branch of government says it means, and whatever the legislature says it means, ... I believe that the intent of the Founding Fathers was that an armed populace would be familiar with the letter of the Constitution, and tolerate no creative reinterpretation of it by any of the three branches of Guv'mint. As George Wallace once stated, The country is run by thugs and federal judges. He was one of the thugs, of course... He rehabiliated himself through terrible suffering, repented his racist views, and made friends with Jesse Jackson. People can change. I can still remember from back in the 60's Mike Wallace reporting with a perfectly straight face on the Negroid Characteristics of some monkey skull found by a archeological expedition. One of the nice things about ignorance is that it is curable. Unlike Neo-Conservatism. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law
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93: One of the nice things about ignorance is that it is curable. Unlike Neo-Conservatism. Or more accurately - Neo CONfidence artist. Would be nice to turn those into NEO convicts, but we may as well dream of a free country. Many, many, thanks go to Richard Clarke for exposing the truth we all suspected. So, I'm not quite current about the Gilmore dismissal - is the subject line misspelled? Is there some URL regarding news of this? I take it from the gripes that John's lawsuit against Asscruft re: flying without ID was dismissed?
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So of course, society's interest in protecting police officers allows New Orleans police to search your home or business at any time, for any reason, or for no reason at all. As long as the cop mumbles something about making sure he's safe. Actually, this is particularly hilarious. The Cops in New Orleans have become astoundingly corrupt recently, with shootouts between rival factions occuring during Bank Holdups (ie, between the cops robbing the bank and a rival group arriving on scene to uphold the law and protecting their own stake). Apparently the payout for such activities has risen high enough that local judges are now in on the action. Next time a government official talks about protecting the public try to see if he winks into the camera... -TD From: Eric Cordian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Gilmore Dimissal Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:22:35 -0800 (PST) It's really getting to the point where judges don't even go through the motions of respecting the Constitution any more. All they have to do is recite the magic words that Society's Overwhelming Interest in protecting its children, police officers, kitty cats, or whatever, overrides whatever Constitutional issues there are. So of course, society's interest in protecting police officers allows New Orleans police to search your home or business at any time, for any reason, or for no reason at all. As long as the cop mumbles something about making sure he's safe. Similarly, society's interest in ensuring the safety of airline passengers allows ID to be demanded and searches, and anyways, your right to freely travel is not being impeded, because there's always Greyhound. Of course, they can stop the bus and search everyone on it at will too. These problems stem directly from the horrible mistake, many years ago in the early days of our Republic, of letting what the Constitution says be what the judiciary claims the Constitution says, as opposed to what the Constitution itself states, thus giving the Judicial branch of government absolute power over the Legislative and Executive branches. As George Wallace once stated, The country is run by thugs and federal judges. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law _ Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage. Multiple plans available. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-uspage=hotmail/es2ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/
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On Mar 30, 2004, at 13:22, Bill Stewart wrote: Greyhound demands ID at some locations as well; my brother got surprised when his trip, which hadn't demanded ID on the way out, got routed through Chicago on the return and they did demand ID. I was curious about that. I notice now that Amtrak requires ID as well: http://www.amtrak.com/idrequire.html Does anyone know when this happened, or have experiences with having to show ID on Amtrak? You need ID to drive, bus, train, or fly... I guess all that's left is walking and possibly biking. :P --bgt
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I was curious about that. I notice now that Amtrak requires ID as well: http://www.amtrak.com/idrequire.html Does anyone know when this happened, or have experiences with having to show ID on Amtrak? Sometime before early January this year, at least (probably significantly before). However, from DC Union Station (and probably many other stations), you can use the automated ticket system which 'only' asks for a credit card, no govt ID needed. And all the conductors care about is if you have a ticket. Philadelphia's automated system doesn't accept my credit card for mysterious reasons, so I have had to present ID when buying a ticket there. I haven't observed them doing any sort of scanning on my ID when I show it; anyway my ID doesn't have a magnetic stripe like the ones issued by most states around here, just an optical code. They copy down the name at least (shows up on the ticket), but it's hard to get a good look at their hands as they type, so it's possible they also grab the state/license # pair, which ties back to who-knows-what databases. -Jack pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 04:18:29PM -0500, sunder wrote: So, I'm not quite current about the Gilmore dismissal - is the subject line misspelled? Is there some URL regarding news of this? I take it from the gripes that John's lawsuit against Asscruft re: flying without ID was dismissed? I sent excerpts from the decision to Politech earlier this week. -Declan
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On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 06:01:57PM -0500, Jack Lloyd wrote: Sometime before early January this year, at least (probably significantly before). However, from DC Union Station (and probably many other stations), you can use the automated ticket system which 'only' asks for a credit card, no govt ID needed. And all the conductors care about is if you have a That is still the case. I took Amtrak NYC-DC this week. -Declan
