Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-30 Thread Bill Stewart
When Bush is talking about a hydrogen economy, remember that he's really referring to Orion-engine cars... At 06:38 PM 01/29/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: It's why I'll be safer when I run into Harmon on the freeways. His heirs will appreciate his savings in gasoline for the time he owned his

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-30 Thread Tyler Durden
! Is what I told them as their last few moments of life ebbed away -TD From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:38:11 -0800 On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 04:23 PM, Harmon Seaver

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-30 Thread Steve Schear
At 09:59 PM 1/29/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 06:38:11PM -0800, Tim May wrote: Diesel, Tim, they run on diesel. Too bad MB won't import any of those hi-tech diesel they make to the US because of the crummy fuel here. I had an '87 MB 300D terrible-diesel for about

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-30 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 09:46:00AM -0800, Steve Schear wrote: At 09:59 PM 1/29/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 06:38:11PM -0800, Tim May wrote: Diesel, Tim, they run on diesel. Too bad MB won't import any of those hi-tech diesel they make to the US because of the

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-30 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 07:59 PM, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 06:38:11PM -0800, Tim May wrote: (snip) Since my life and my safety is vastly more valuable to me than saving $350-$600 a year in gas, I'll be keeping my 3500-pound S-Class. Ah, yes, the old big

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-30 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 06:38:11PM -0800, Tim May wrote: (snip) Since my life and my safety is vastly more valuable to me than saving $350-$600 a year in gas, I'll be keeping my 3500-pound S-Class. Ah, yes, the old big cars are safer arguement. I've seen studies that went both ways, yes,

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-30 Thread Bill Stewart
When Bush is talking about a hydrogen economy, remember that he's really referring to Orion-engine cars... At 06:38 PM 01/29/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: It's why I'll be safer when I run into Harmon on the freeways. His heirs will appreciate his savings in gasoline for the time he owned his

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-30 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 04:23 PM, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 03:36:20PM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: Although canola oil is a much better source for fuel. And diesels a much better IC engine for hybrids. Even in

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-30 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 09:46:00AM -0800, Steve Schear wrote: At 09:59 PM 1/29/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 06:38:11PM -0800, Tim May wrote: Diesel, Tim, they run on diesel. Too bad MB won't import any of those hi-tech diesel they make to the US because of the

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-30 Thread Steve Schear
At 09:59 PM 1/29/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 06:38:11PM -0800, Tim May wrote: Diesel, Tim, they run on diesel. Too bad MB won't import any of those hi-tech diesel they make to the US because of the crummy fuel here. I had an '87 MB 300D terrible-diesel for about

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-30 Thread Steve Schear
At 06:23 PM 1/29/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 03:36:20PM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: Although canola oil is a much better source for fuel. And diesels a much better IC engine for hybrids. Even in non-hybrids, VW builds

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-30 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 08:55:55PM -0800, Steve Schear wrote: If they intend to sell thin in the US they would be advised to have one 3 wheels instead of an apparent 4. In many states (incl. California) 3-wheeled vehicles are considered motorcycles and get to use the diamond lanes even

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-29 Thread Tyler Durden
Mike Rossing wrote... Just gotta kill off a few more arabs to extend the time when that happens is all. That gives me a damned good idea. Perhaps we can use Camp XRay to do some research on how to melt down Muslims and convert then directly into fossil fuels, bypassing all the

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-29 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 05:05:22PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Mike Rossing wrote... Just gotta kill off a few more arabs to extend the time when that happens is all. That gives me a damned good idea. Perhaps we can use Camp XRay to do some research on how to melt down Muslims and convert

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-29 Thread Mike Rosing
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Oh come on. Its all economics. (With tech changing the params) Fuel cells for cars are too expensive today. There is not enough methanol production/distrib infrastructure, which costs to create. [insert Metcalfe's law (aka fax or network

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-29 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 03:36:20PM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: Although canola oil is a much better source for fuel. And diesels a much better IC engine for hybrids. Even in non-hybrids, VW builds some pretty nice diesel cars, including the Lupo,

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-29 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 04:23 PM, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 03:36:20PM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: Although canola oil is a much better source for fuel. And diesels a much better IC engine for hybrids. Even in

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-29 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 06:38:11PM -0800, Tim May wrote: (snip) Since my life and my safety is vastly more valuable to me than saving $350-$600 a year in gas, I'll be keeping my 3500-pound S-Class. Ah, yes, the old big cars are safer arguement. I've seen studies that went both ways, yes,

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-29 Thread Mike Rosing
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Oh come on. Its all economics. (With tech changing the params) Fuel cells for cars are too expensive today. There is not enough methanol production/distrib infrastructure, which costs to create. [insert Metcalfe's law (aka fax or network

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-29 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 05:05:22PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Mike Rossing wrote... Just gotta kill off a few more arabs to extend the time when that happens is all. That gives me a damned good idea. Perhaps we can use Camp XRay to do some research on how to melt down Muslims and convert

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-29 Thread Tyler Durden
Mike Rossing wrote... Just gotta kill off a few more arabs to extend the time when that happens is all. That gives me a damned good idea. Perhaps we can use Camp XRay to do some research on how to melt down Muslims and convert then directly into fossil fuels, bypassing all the