Re: p2p and asymmetric bandwidth (Re: Fear and Futility at CodeCon)

2002-04-29 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if your P2P application is IPv6 compatible, you can get a semi permanent IPv6 IP automatically from a server, and thereafter do peer to peer, just as if you were full, no kidding, on the internet. This nicely solves the problem with NATs, true.

Re: p2p and asymmetric bandwidth (Re: Fear and Futility at CodeCon)

2002-04-29 Thread Jim Choate
On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Lucky Green wrote: I concur. In fact, I was surprised that not a single one of the many P2P solutions presented at the recent excellent CODECON made any mention of support for IPv6, which can be easily be added to just about any P2P application, while every presenter

RE: p2p and asymmetric bandwidth (Re: Fear and Futility at CodeCon)

2002-04-29 Thread jamesd
On 28 Apr 2002 at 16:20, Morlock Elloi wrote: How exactly does the introduction of IPV6 on a machine that is NAT-ted by the ISP who doesn't give shit about IPV6 help the situation ? James A. Donald: To connect to the IPV6 world from inside a NAT network, you need a machine that is both

Re: p2p and asymmetric bandwidth (Re: Fear and Futility at CodeCon)

2002-04-29 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if your P2P application is IPv6 compatible, you can get a semi permanent IPv6 IP automatically from a server, and thereafter do peer to peer, just as if you were full, no kidding, on the internet. This nicely solves the problem with NATs, true.

Re: p2p and asymmetric bandwidth (Re: Fear and Futility at CodeCon)

2002-04-29 Thread jamesd
-- On 29 Apr 2002 at 14:58, Sampo Syreeni wrote: [IPv6] nicely solves the problem with NATs, true. However, most firewalls I know are there for security reasons. Those will likely be adapted to work for 6to4 as well. The transition period will likely see some cracks where p2p can work,

RE: p2p and asymmetric bandwidth (Re: Fear and Futility at CodeCon)

2002-04-28 Thread Lucky Green
James wrote: IPV6 to the rescue. Every network behind a NAT router should set up a 6to4 tunnel, probably some time early in 2003. IPv6 is almost source code compatible with IPv4, so every application should soon be recompiled to be IPv6 compatible. Every computer with a recent

RE: p2p and asymmetric bandwidth (Re: Fear and Futility at CodeCon)

2002-04-28 Thread georgemw
On 28 Apr 2002 at 0:15, Lucky Green wrote: I concur. In fact, I was surprised that not a single one of the many P2P solutions presented at the recent excellent CODECON made any mention of support for IPv6, which can be easily be added to just about any P2P application, while every presenter

RE: p2p and asymmetric bandwidth (Re: Fear and Futility at CodeCon)

2002-04-28 Thread Morlock Elloi
I concur. In fact, I was surprised that not a single one of the many P2P solutions presented at the recent excellent CODECON made any mention of support for IPv6, which can be easily be added to just about any P2P application, while every presenter bemoaned the fact that the existence of

RE: p2p and asymmetric bandwidth (Re: Fear and Futility at CodeCon)

2002-04-28 Thread jamesd
-- On 28 Apr 2002 at 16:20, Morlock Elloi wrote: How exactly does the introduction of IPV6 on a machine that is NAT-ted by the ISP who doesn't give shit about IPV6 help the situation ? To connect to the IPV6 world from inside a NAT network, you need a machine that is both inside and

RE: p2p and asymmetric bandwidth (Re: Fear and Futility at CodeCon)

2002-04-28 Thread jamesd
On 28 Apr 2002 at 16:20, Morlock Elloi wrote: How exactly does the introduction of IPV6 on a machine that is NAT-ted by the ISP who doesn't give shit about IPV6 help the situation ? James A. Donald: To connect to the IPV6 world from inside a NAT network, you need a machine that is both

RE: p2p and asymmetric bandwidth (Re: Fear and Futility at CodeCon)

2002-04-28 Thread jamesd
-- On 28 Apr 2002 at 16:20, Morlock Elloi wrote: How exactly does the introduction of IPV6 on a machine that is NAT-ted by the ISP who doesn't give shit about IPV6 help the situation ? To connect to the IPV6 world from inside a NAT network, you need a machine that is both inside and

Re: p2p and asymmetric bandwidth (Re: Fear and Futility at CodeCon)

2002-04-27 Thread jamesd
-- On 18 Feb 2002 at 14:37, Sampo Syreeni wrote: we still need one of the machines to be outside a firewall. I think what anonymous is describing is the situation when each and every non-corporate customer is behind a firewall owned by an ISP, corporations shield their employees behind

p2p and asymmetric bandwidth (Re: Fear and Futility at CodeCon)

2002-02-18 Thread Adam Back
I think the asymmetric up/down speed is not as much a problem for peer2peer as anonymous fears. Morpheus has demonstrated that the approach of having a single request served by multiple servers works well. A cable modem users download speed can be merrily supplied by dozens of even dialup, or

Re: p2p and asymmetric bandwidth (Re: Fear and Futility at CodeCon)

2002-02-18 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Adam Back wrote: and when someone wants to connect to it and can't they connect to the super-node and the super-node tells the unreachable node over the already open connection to connect back to the connecting machine. Of course, that approach could be extended do the