Re: Gullible Journalists

2003-02-04 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
Tyler Durden wrote: For some reason I've never been able to fathom, many journalists seem to be remarkably gullable, when they're told something from the right kind of source, especially a government agency or other official source. Chomsky (dig around on http://www.zmag.org/weluser.htm) and

Re: CDR: Re: Life Sentence for Medical Marijuana?

2003-02-04 Thread Alif The Terrible
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Ken Brown wrote: Tyler Durden wrote: And then there's the PERSISTENT rumors of him actually taking an accidental DEA bust in a Florida airport after landing a fresh new cargo. Supposedly this was a bit of a snafu and they had to let him go on the hush-hush...(And I

Re: CDR: Re: Carter's statement yesterday

2003-02-04 Thread Alif The Terrible
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: Thanks, I found the full text at http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/news/0203/01carter.html I must have been trying too early before, all I could find was partial quotes. The world will be awaiting Wednesday's presentation of

Re: Passenger rail is for adventurers and bums

2003-02-04 Thread Steve Furlong
On Friday 31 January 2003 12:40, Tim May wrote: On Friday, January 31, 2003, at 07:58 AM, Harmon Seaver wrote: (snipped) I understand your politics is lefty...this has been shining through for years. But your analytical skills are lacking. That's redundant in the modern US. Too bad; there

Re: Say goodbye to the ISS

2003-02-04 Thread R. A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 9:42 PM + on 1/19/03, Malcolm Carlock wrote: I must admit it also seems very strange that the shuttle couldn't have been examined while docked to the ISS. It wasn't docked there. It was in a completely different orbit, and higher up to

Re: Shuttle Humor, Risk Estimation

2003-02-04 Thread Tim May
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 03:01 PM, Harmon Seaver wrote: The biggest question there is why didn't they inspect it? Seems very bizarre, since that's what they did in the past. That's what they _reported_ later that they did in the past...there certainly was no public announcement

Re: Shuttle Humor, Risk Estimation

2003-02-04 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 04:28:10PM -0800, Eric Murray wrote: On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 05:01:41PM -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: The biggest question there is why didn't they inspect it? Seems very bizarre, since that's what they did in the past. All the KH-71s were busy mapping Iraq's

Re: Passenger rail is for adventurers and bums

2003-02-04 Thread Tyler Durden
That's redundant in the modern US. Too bad; there needs to be a counterbalance to the right-wing control freaks, but the left just isn't up to it. Good comment. Indeed, the only thing the Democrats seem to stand for is that they aren't republicans. Meanwhile, the economics of the 'real' left

Re: Shuttle Humor, Risk Estimation

2003-02-04 Thread Eric Murray
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 05:01:41PM -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: The biggest question there is why didn't they inspect it? Seems very bizarre, since that's what they did in the past. All the KH-71s were busy mapping Iraq's oil fields and photographing Saddam's nose hairs. Eric

Re: Say goodbye to the ISS

2003-02-04 Thread R. A. Hettinga
Our messages crossed in the mail, but there's this bit here... At 7:18 PM -0800 on 2/3/03, Tim May wrote: Two crewmen were prepared to to an EVA to fix dislodged cargo/hatch doors, as on every flight to date. The other crew could have transferred in their pressure suits. Ah. Forgot about

Re: Real Facts and Good Facts

2003-02-04 Thread Ken Hirsch
Eric Cordian writes: In another teletext moment on CNN, the shuttle was described as traveling at Mock 18. There was an interesting article in the New York Times (http://tinyurl.com/5b4x) back in Nov 2001 about stenographers working on 9/11--that was an angle I didn't see anywhere else. When

opportunistic encryption

2003-02-04 Thread Eugen Leitl
Are there any reasons why current systems (whether OpenSource or not) don't ship with opportunistic IPsec out of the box? FreeS/WAN is really easy to set up, and such, but why having to do BIND juggling and extra installation steps. What are the reasons, crypto restrictions?

Re: Say goodbye to the ISS

2003-02-04 Thread Tim May
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 06:17 PM, R. A. Hettinga wrote: Flying another shuttle to them while people were still alive would have been impossible, of course, so much for a reusable space-truck on a rapid turnaround, and, even if it wasn't, I don't think they even have an airlock aboard

Re: Shuttle Humor, Risk Estimation

2003-02-04 Thread Mike Rosing
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: Yeah, but most pilots, if they suspected an even semi-serious breach of their craft's integrity, *AND* had the ability to fairly safely send someone outside to have a looksee, wouldn't hesitate a moment before doing so. They've been delayed by

Re: Say goodbye to the ISS

2003-02-04 Thread kawaii
From: Malcolm Carlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 16:42 I was shocked to learn Saturday that NASA had not a mechanism to adequately inspect the exterior of the shuttles for damage before the return to earth. The reasons given seem to imply that NASA's ability for

Tiny whiskers make huge memory storage

2003-02-04 Thread Sunder
http://www.upi.com/print.cfm?StoryID=20030131-020248-9059r Tiny whiskers make huge memory storage UPI Science News From the Science Technology Desk Published 1/31/2003 4:07 PM BUFFALO, N.Y., Jan. 31 (UPI) -- New, tiny magnetic sensors could help break a technical barrier to ushering in the

Re: Encrypted hard drive enclosure for $139

2003-02-04 Thread Michael Shields
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, 712 Mbit/sec is about 90 MByte/sec, which means if it were doing 3DES, it'd probably be about 30 MByte/sec, which is no longer fast enough to be entertaining. Yes, it is. Despite the disk manufacturers' intentionally

Re: mail weirdness

2003-02-04 Thread Bill Stewart
At 01:41 PM 02/03/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 10:23:58AM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: Do you mean that Steve's posts always do this to you? I've only seen one like that, and I assumed that Steve had simply Bcc:d the Cypherpunks list and some other lists on that

Re: Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits

2003-02-04 Thread Bill Stewart
Smell that, son? Nothing else in the world smells like that I love the smell of hydrazine in the morning It smells like It's MMH that cooks your goose. Regular hydrazine (smells like fish) ain't that hypergolic with N2O5. incompetence. The press was reporting that some dozens of

A talk on Intellectual Property and National Defense

2003-02-04 Thread Dave Farber
I sent this to my IP list. One of the major points I made here is that secure systems (and I am not calling Palladium a secure system) can host DRM software. So one can have secure systems in which case it will tape either law or strong market pressure to not have DRM else we can not have secure

Re: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Tyler Durden
Tim May wrote... Even t.v. commercials are spreading the meme that Big Brother is our friend. Funny he should mention this. This very morning was watching the news and a commerical came on for a local monitored Burglar alarm system. It featured a Customed Superhero Alarmo (I think), going

Comments from 1998 on shuttle

2003-02-04 Thread Mike Rosing
From: http://ltp.arc.nasa.gov/space/ask/landing/Black_tiles_falling_off.txt If more than a few were lost from the same area, though, the heat could get bad enough to cause damage to the aluminum skin. Nobody wants to see what would happen if the wings started to deform like taffy, so the tiles

RE: Tiny whiskers make huge memory storage

2003-02-04 Thread Trei, Peter
Sunder[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] writes [..] Yeah, yeah, yeah, lots of hype about storing terabytes and so on, not worried about that at all. The real question now is this: how effective are these nickel whiskers are recovering erased data off existing platters, or more precisely how

Re: Gullible Journalists

2003-02-04 Thread Michael Motyka
Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : John Kelsey wrote... For some reason I've never been able to fathom, many journalists seem to be remarkably gullable, when they're told something from the right kind of source, especially a government agency or other official source. The net effect

RE: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Blanc
Tim May said: Yes, I understand this is all fiction. Well, some of the scripts are based on actual events, including coerced confessions, warrantless searches, sneak and peek wiretaps, concentration camps in Cuba, etc. That so many of these popular programs have themes as I've described tells us

Putting the NSA Data Overwrite Standard Legend to Death... (fwd)

2003-02-04 Thread Thomas Shaddack
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 10:57:09 -0600 Subject: Putting the NSA Data Overwrite Standard Legend to Death... From: Jonathan G. Lampe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, I'm sure this one will start a flame war, but...I work for a vendor whose products

RE: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Blanc wrote: A sad, disturbing prospect to contemplate. Someone on another list remarked that it might become necessary for those in Europe to do some internet-type rescuing of the American people. H. If things get utterly intolerable, and fighting makes no sense

RE: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread cubic-dog
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Blanc wrote: A sad, disturbing prospect to contemplate. Someone on another list remarked that it might become necessary for those in Europe to do some internet-type rescuing of the American people. H. snip Don't count

Re: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread André Esteves
On Tuesday, 4 de February de 2003 21:47, you wrote: Don't count on EU, we're just as fucked, albeit with a slight delay. What about Italy? The Italians seem to be remarkably good at ignoring both the vatican as well as their government (which changes every few years and no wonder...do ANY

U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK

2003-02-04 Thread Steve Schear
U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ The Outstanding Public Debt as of 04 Feb 2003 at 08:34:50 AM GMT is: $ 6 , 4 1 2 , 1 7 4 , 6 9 0 , 4 3 5 . 4 1 The estimated population of the United States is 289,066,595 so each citizen's share of this debt is $22,182.34. The

RE: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Blanc
Eugen Leitl replies: Don't count on EU, we're just as fucked, albeit with a slight delay. .. Thanks, Eugen. This makes me feel better. On emigration choices, I guess one could just take a pick of whether they wish to be more, or less, fd. .. Blanc

Re: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Duncan Frissell
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Tim May wrote: I'm struck by how many of them this year treat civil liberties as gone, either as old-fashioned or as just plain ignorable. I love the frequent use of facial recognition systems on TV as well. With, of course, no mention of the fact that they don't work. DCF

Re: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 09:25:22PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Blanc wrote: A sad, disturbing prospect to contemplate. Someone on another list remarked that it might become necessary for those in Europe to do some internet-type rescuing of the American people. H.

Re: mail weirdness

2003-02-04 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 8:53 AM -0800 on 2/4/03, Bill Stewart wrote: as opposed to Bob Hettinga's practice of copying everything to his usual sets of lists, most of which don't allow replies from non-subscribers. Most of which I forward your answers on to, if that's any consolation. Yes, Tim, I know, I'm an

Re: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Harmon Seaver
Yeah right -- the eyeties just joined the new european order supporting an immediate invasion of Iraq. At least, according to Powell they did. On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 04:47:02PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Don't count on EU, we're just as fucked, albeit with a slight delay. What about

RE: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Tyler Durden
Don't count on EU, we're just as fucked, albeit with a slight delay. What about Italy? The Italians seem to be remarkably good at ignoring both the vatican as well as their government (which changes every few years and no wonder...do ANY Italians actually pay taxes?). And yet, Northern Italy

Duh, transport

2003-02-04 Thread Peter Fairbrother
Been away from email for a while: Shuttle: Dangerous. I'd like to be in space, but... not 25-year-old tech, and not that way. If there was a Chinese spy satellite captured, might it not have had a nuclear power source, and wouldn't the debris be hot? Railways: Euro railways are better than US -

The I-talians and Statism

2003-02-04 Thread Tyler Durden
Andre Esteves wrote... in Northern Italy they live close to Switzerland... What more can be said... A car, a suitcase and a weekend in Geneva with a numbered account. Well, I could be romantisizing the Italians a bit much, but I have always found the photo of Mussolini and his mistress

Re: Comments from 1998 on shuttle

2003-02-04 Thread Michael Motyka
Mike Rosing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : From: http://ltp.arc.nasa.gov/space/ask/landing/Black_tiles_falling_off.txt If more than a few were lost from the same area, though, the heat could get bad enough to cause damage to the aluminum skin. Nobody wants to see what would happen if the wings

Re: mail weirdness

2003-02-04 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 08:53:58AM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: Declan's postings are usually either normal postings to cypherpunks or else posted to his politech list (most of which have Subject: FC something.) I'm subscribed to politech, so I haven't had any weirdness when replying. Yep. I

Re: Comments from 1998 on shuttle

2003-02-04 Thread Mike Rosing
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Michael Motyka wrote: Seems kindof like leaving the spare tire, jack, poncho and duck boots out of your car to save weight and space. It's fine except for that one day you get a flat while it's pouring freezing rain and there's 3 or 4 inches of slush on the ground.

Re: Gullible Journalists

2003-02-04 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 09:59:58AM -0800, Michael Motyka wrote: The net effect is that by and large journalists have become a cheerleading squad when what is needed is a vigorous and independent critical facility. That is if we are to retain some degree of the of, by and for philosophy. Maybe

RE: The Statism Meme (Roarke, not)

2003-02-04 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 02:29 PM 2/4/03 -0800, Blanc wrote: Duncan Frissell said: You mean no one said, I'd grab the .30-06 and head for the hills? I must correct myself. It was not a Libertarian group, they were Objectivists. Not to put the Os down or start an argument about the difference, but I know that

Re: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Harmon Seaver
Yaaas, yaass, yyaaasss -- and what about us half-assed libertarians, us leftysized anarchistic earthfirsters, us gunslinging 2nd boys (and WTF is this .30-06 bullshit anyway, we ain't all that ancient?), and other fringe/extremeist ufo/wacko pppeeeples? I mean -- I mean -- WTF do you mean,

RE: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Pete Mannix
What about Italy? Articles 270 and 270 bis, written by the fascists, have been ressurected to charge legitimate protesters and anyone promoting change (subversive association or subverting the social-economic order that exists in the State) as terrorists if even the slightest association with

Re: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 06:55:26PM -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: Yaaas, yaass, yyaaasss -- and what about us half-assed libertarians, us leftysized anarchistic earthfirsters, us gunslinging 2nd boys (and WTF is this .30-06 bullshit anyway, we ain't all that ancient?), and other

RE: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Blanc
Harmon Seaver said: Yaaas, yaass, yyaaasss -- and what about us half-assed libertarians, us leftysized anarchistic earthfirsters, us gunslinging 2nd boys (and WTF is this .30-06 bullshit anyway, we ain't all that ancient?), and other fringe/extremeist ufo/wacko pppeeeples? I mean -- I mean --