RE: Katy, bar the door

2002-11-04 Thread Trei, Peter
> Major Variola (ret)[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > When that trucker kamakazi'd into the state capital in Sacramento last > year, they decided to put Jersey barriers > up. Hard to do that in the air (Blimps with nets?) > The name for these is 'barrage balloons'. They were widely deployed during W

Re: Katy, bar the door

2002-11-04 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:32 PM 10/31/2002 -0800, Tim May wrote: I'm missing the gist of this scenario. If the attackers/hijackers cannot get into the cockpit and gain control of the plane, then the most they can do with disabling/lethal/nerve gases is to cause the plane to essentially crash randomly...which kills

Re: Katy, bar the door

2002-11-03 Thread Tim May
On Sunday, November 3, 2002, at 07:41 AM, Neil Johnson wrote: On Saturday 02 November 2002 06:38 pm, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Around a year ago a small private jet lost contact over the US. A jet was dispatched, saw iced windows, no response to signals. The plane was on autopilot, eventual

Re: Katy, bar the door

2002-11-03 Thread Neil Johnson
On Saturday 02 November 2002 06:38 pm, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > Around a year ago a small private jet lost contact over the US. A jet > was > dispatched, saw iced windows, no response to signals. The plane was on > autopilot, eventually crashed > in the middle of nowhere. The passengers/pilo

Re: Katy, bar the door

2002-11-02 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 10:49 AM 11/2/02 -0800, Bill Frantz wrote: >(A number of years ago, there was a case where a >pilot, presumably asleep, flew right past Los Angles, over the Pacific >ocean, and crashed. ATC was very concerned, but couldn't do anything to >wake the pilot.) Around a year ago a small private jet

Re: Katy, bar the door

2002-11-02 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, John Kelsey wrote: > Hmmm. I agree, but if the attackers chose the right time (while the > plane's on autopilot) to release the gas or whatever, they might have an > hour or two to get through the cockpit door, with no resistance at all from > the now-dead passengers or crew.

Re: Katy, bar the door

2002-11-02 Thread Bill Frantz
At 12:35 PM -0800 11/1/02, John Kelsey wrote: >At 09:32 PM 10/31/02 -0800, Tim May wrote: >... >>If the attackers/hijackers cannot get into the cockpit and gain control >>of the plane, then the most they can do with disabling/lethal/nerve >>gases is to cause the plane to essentially crash randomly.

Re: Katy, bar the door

2002-11-02 Thread John Kelsey
At 09:32 PM 10/31/02 -0800, Tim May wrote: ... >If the attackers/hijackers cannot get into the cockpit and gain control >of the plane, then the most they can do with disabling/lethal/nerve >gases is to cause the plane to essentially crash randomly...which kills >a few hundred people, but probabl

Re: Katy, bar the door

2002-11-01 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Steve Schear wrote: > This may be more than sufficient to place a final nail in the airline > industry coffin. Killing NY sheeple in high rise buildings isn't the Doesn't have to be overnight. It would be already enough to arm the pilots and issue an SOP to lock the doors bef

Re: Katy, bar the door

2002-11-01 Thread Steve Schear
At 09:32 PM 10/31/2002 -0800, Tim May wrote: On Thursday, October 31, 2002, at 05:09 PM, Steve Schear wrote: Unfortunately, there are many gasses which kill or disable with only a small dosage (e.g., VX). Unless the cabins are equipped with toxic air sensors (possible in a few years with all