RE: Gmail as Blacknet

2004-04-10 Thread Tyler Durden
Well, I never claimed to be Einstein, but your 3 simple steps sound a hell of a lot like my recipe for making a ham sandwich: First, order a steak in a restaurant. Second, tell them to add two slices of bread. Third, tell them you don't want beef as the primary meat of your steak, you want

RE: Gmail as Blacknet

2004-04-10 Thread Major Variola (ret)
And I'd like to see their adwords facility struggling to come up with something appropriate when the only legible text is BEGIN PGP ENCRYPTED MESSAGE. Wow are you non-commercial :-) All the spy stores, sec phone makers, disk encryptors, VPN vendors, etc will be paying top dollar to get seen by

RE: Gmail as Blacknet

2004-04-10 Thread An Metet
Tyler Durden writes: Ironically, some of the features of Gmail bear resemblance to BlackNet. In particular, its claimed policy of retaining email indefinitely, even after the recipient has stopped using the account, is reminiscent of BlackNet's function as a data haven, as well as other

RE: Gmail as Blacknet

2004-04-10 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 09:58 AM 4/9/04 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: Well, I never claimed to be Einstein, but your 3 simple steps sound a hell of a lot like my recipe for making a ham sandwich: Hardly. One could put together a very slick drop file here for encrypted net storage script in a day. One could even

VPN VoIP

2004-04-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
I've been installing a Draytek Vigor 2900 router at work lately, and found a line of models which do VoIP (router with analog phone jacks on them). They also support VPN router-router, and come with DynDNS clients. I thought I've seen VoIP over VPN being mentioned, but I can't find it right now.

Re: Hierarchy, Force Monopoly, and Geodesic Societies

2004-04-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 03:29:58PM -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 11:28 AM -0700 4/8/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Geodesic means shortest path, and you'll note if you play with tracert that the shortest path (as seen on Earth's surface) is rarely taken. A pretty densely distributed radio

Re: Meshing costs (Re: Hierarchy, Force Monopoly, and Geodesic Societies)

2004-04-10 Thread Tyler Durden
RAH wrote... At 10:43 AM -0700 4/9/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Meshnets (everyone's a router) is cool, admittedly. But are you going to spend *your* battery life routing someone else's message? Only if they pay me cash Someone enlighten me here...I don't see this as obvious. I might certainly

RE: Gmail as Blacknet

2004-04-10 Thread Tyler Durden
Actually, to some extent I did realize this, though I couldn't resist the droll troll urge. And of course, perpetual storage isn't really any kind of end-goal itself...the 'goal' of course is to be able to securely store and move information without fear (or the possibility due to anonymity)

Re: Hierarchy, Force Monopoly, and Geodesic Societies

2004-04-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 06:22:06PM +0100, Jim Dixon wrote: On Fri, 9 Apr 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote: Internet is mostly a tree (if you look at the connectivity maps). Not at all. A tree has a root; the Internet doesn't have one. Instead you have several thousand autonomous systems

For Guidance in Iraq, Marines Rediscover A 1940s Manual

2004-04-10 Thread R. A. Hettinga
http://online.wsj.com/article_print/0,,SB108137571973077200,00.html The Wall Street Journal April 8, 2004 PAGE ONE For Guidance in Iraq, Marines Rediscover A 1940s Manual Small-War Secrets Include: Tips on Nation-Building, The Care of Pack Mules By GREG JAFFE Staff Reporter of

voting, KISS, etc.

2004-04-10 Thread R. A. Hettinga
--- begin forwarded text Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: voting, KISS, etc. From: Perry E. Metzger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 12:46:47 -0400 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think that those that advocate cryptographic protocols to ensure voting

Re: Hierarchy, Force Monopoly, and Geodesic Societies

2004-04-10 Thread Jim Dixon
On Fri, 9 Apr 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote: Internet is mostly a tree (if you look at the connectivity maps). Not at all. A tree has a root; the Internet doesn't have one. Instead you have several thousand autonomous systems interconnecting at a large number of peering points.

Re: Hierarchy, Force Monopoly, and Geodesic Societies

2004-04-10 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 8:29 PM +0100 4/9/04, Jim Dixon wrote: Traffic was following a geodesic -- but not a geographic geodesic. Right. Geodesic is a topologic content. In three (two?) dimensions, a geodesic is a great circle route across a sphere. In higher dimensions, it's something else. No. I don't know the

RE: Gmail as Blacknet (legally required forgetting)

2004-04-10 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 05:16 PM 4/9/04 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: (As an aside, although debt has to be -forgiven- after 7 years, contrary to popular belief it is not true that a debt has to be -forgotten-...I know of one credit major card company that will not accept 'new' cardmembers that didn't pay back what they

Meshing costs (Re: Hierarchy, Force Monopoly, and Geodesic Societies)

2004-04-10 Thread Major Variola (ret)
Meshnets (everyone's a router) is cool, admittedly. But are you going to spend *your* battery life routing someone else's message? Fixed P2P energy costs are trivial. Not so for mobile P2P. And if your meshnodes are mains-powered, you have wires going there, so wireless is less useful. Solar

What Brought on the French Revolution?

2004-04-10 Thread R. A. Hettinga
--- begin forwarded text Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Mises Daily Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mises Daily Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: What Brought on the French Revolution? Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:15:18 -0400 List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Hierarchy, Force Monopoly, and Geodesic Societies

2004-04-10 Thread Jim Dixon
On Fri, 9 Apr 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote: Internet is mostly a tree (if you look at the connectivity maps). Not at all. A tree has a root; the Internet doesn't have one. Instead you have several thousand autonomous systems interconnecting at a large number of peering points. A

Communication in (Neuronal) Networks

2004-04-10 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 08:21 PM 4/9/04 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: It should look a lot like a Golgi stain of your neocortex, though, the Sorry the below is long, but its subscription only, and the comparisons to man-made networks are worth reading. Science, Vol 301, Issue 5641, 1870-1874 , 26 September 2003

Re: Shirley and Saddam

2004-04-10 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 7:24 AM + 4/8/04, Popbitch wrote: Shirley and Saddam The spy who loved me From the world of espionage we hear a fantastic story that Shirley Bassey has been a spy for Interpol since the early 1980s. Shirley, apparently, has great contacts with Arab

Re: Meshing costs, the price of RAH's battery

2004-04-10 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 02:36 PM 4/10/04 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 9:03 PM -0700 4/9/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: So, get a clue. When your battery runs out, you get *zero* benefit from the mesh. Or even your local device *sans network*. Yes, and as your battery starts to run out, you raise the price on

RE: legally required forgetting

2004-04-10 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 11:18 AM 4/10/04 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: What the law actually states is (basically) a defaulted loan must be forgiven after seven years. In other words, it is illegal to continue to attempt to collect on a loan, 7 years after the default. However, it is perfectly legal to remember that an

Re: VPN VoIP

2004-04-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 05:56:18PM -0400, sunder wrote: I've not seen, nor played with any of these, *BUT*, heed this warning which applies to all devices (and software?) that are 1) closed source and 2) offer some useful service which you'd be tempted to place inside your network, 3) are

Re: Meshing costs, the price of RAH's battery

2004-04-10 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 11:32 AM 4/10/04 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: So, get a clue. When your battery runs out, you get *zero* benefit from the mesh. Or even your local device *sans network*. Well, as usual I don't think I'm understanding you here. In my example I'm imagining I'm a livery cab driver or something.

Re: Meshing costs, the price of RAH's battery

2004-04-10 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 05:34 PM 4/10/04 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 09:03:35PM -0700, Major Variola (ret) wrote: One can run a P2P app from mains-powered home machine and incur only a minor bandwidth penalty, which you can possibly throttle when you're busy. But my Most P2P clients don't

Re: Meshing costs, the price of RAH's battery

2004-04-10 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 9:03 PM -0700 4/9/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: So, get a clue. When your battery runs out, you get *zero* benefit from the mesh. Or even your local device *sans network*. Yes, and as your battery starts to run out, you raise the price on switching. Your point is? The cost of anything is

Re: Meshing costs, the price of RAH's battery

2004-04-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 09:03:35PM -0700, Major Variola (ret) wrote: One can run a P2P app from mains-powered home machine and incur only a minor bandwidth penalty, which you can possibly throttle when you're busy. But my Most P2P clients don't support this, so one better does QoS tweaks at

Re: Hierarchy, Force Monopoly, and Geodesic Societies

2004-04-10 Thread Jim Dixon
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote: Yes. I know what a tree is, and I am quite familiar with structure of the Internet. These very pretty pictures certainly look like the Internet I am familiar with, but don't resemble trees. There's a continuum between a tree and a high-dimensional

Re: Meshing costs, the price of RAH's battery

2004-04-10 Thread Tyler Durden
A car is not what's meant by mobile. Think handsets, laptops, PDAs with self-contained power. Yes, of course. I assumed that was obvious. And of course, with a car the PDA could be powered off of the cigarette lighter. Those weren't really germane to my point. -TD From: Major Variola (ret)

Re: Hierarchy, Force Monopoly, and Geodesic Societies - the internet is a tree.

2004-04-10 Thread sunder
Jim Dixon wrote: Yes. I know what a tree is, and I am quite familiar with structure of the Internet. These very pretty pictures certainly look like the Internet I am familiar with, but don't resemble trees. It is a tree. I'll give you a hint. Think of this: God is like an infinite sphere,

Re: legally required forgetting

2004-04-10 Thread An Metet
Regarding the question of whether debt must be merely 'forgiven' or actually 'forgotten', see http://www.epic.org/privacy/fcra for information on the Fair Credit Reporting Act of 1970: The FCRA limits the length of time some information can appear in a consumer report. For instance, bankruptcies

Re: Meshing costs, the price of RAH's battery

2004-04-10 Thread Tyler Durden
So, get a clue. When your battery runs out, you get *zero* benefit from the mesh. Or even your local device *sans network*. Well, as usual I don't think I'm understanding you here. In my example I'm imagining I'm a livery cab driver or something. In that case, instantaneous

Re: Meshing costs (Re: Hierarchy, Force Monopoly, and Geodesic Societies)

2004-04-10 Thread Anonymous
Tyler Durden wrote: RAH wrote... Only if they pay me cash few miles. If I'm a router, I'm also sending that info behind me (which is routing I'm paying for basically), but I will understand that the reason I am getting my telemetry is precisely because there's a string of me's in the

Hollywood balks at controlling your own inputs

2004-04-10 Thread Major Variola (ret.)
New DVD player cuts out the smut By David Usborne in New York 11 April 2004 Like some kind of electronic air freshener, a new generation of DVD players is poised to clear the smut, violence and bad language out of living rooms all across America. Thomson Inc is preparing to ship the

RE: Gmail as Blacknet (legally required forgetting)

2004-04-10 Thread Tyler Durden
I don't know about your anecdote, but Mr. May's original point was that the law *requires* companies to forget. Which is of course an illegitimate intrusion of the state into private affairs. Well, this is not well understood by those outside the credit world. What the law actually states is

Fifth Hope call for participation

2004-04-10 Thread Greg Newby
Hmm, it turned out my previous messages weren't going out to the cpunk list. Trying again: Call for Participation THE FIFTH HOPE July 9-11 2004 The Hotel Pennsylvania

Re: Fortress America mans the ramparts

2004-04-10 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 08:54 AM 4/10/04 -0700, Steve Schear wrote: Wolfe is also scathing of steps taken post September 11 to protect airports. It's not real security. This is eyewash security. This is for public consumption so that people think that they are doing something. Several years ago, on this list I

Steve Brinich: The Criminal

2004-04-10 Thread Thomas Shaddack
Dug this from my old archives, after finding out it vanished from the Net. Decade-old, but more truthful than before. May it provide some inspiration. -- Title: The Criminal Lyrics by: Steve Brinich Tune: The Idiot (Stan Rogers) Date:

cryptography@metzdowd.com

2004-04-10 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 01:47 PM 4/9/04 -0400, Adam Fields wrote: On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 12:46:47PM -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: I'm a technophile. I've loved technology all my life. I'm also a As the supposed experts, how do we get the idea out of people's heads that making everything electronic and automated is

Re: voting, KISS, etc. ( social bias)

2004-04-10 Thread Major Variola (ret)
Perry I agree with you on all *except* that you are prejudiced against folks who are not mobile, have immobile dependants, are busy or agoraphobes. In-person voting doesn't resist graveyard voting much better than lining up the meat. One could say that in-person voting rewards those too lazy or

RE: voting

2004-04-10 Thread Jerrold Leichter
| privacy wrote: | [good points about weaknesses in adversarial system deleted] | | It's baffling that security experts today are clinging to the outmoded | and insecure paper voting systems of the past, where evidence of fraud, | error and incompetence is overwhelming.

RE: voting

2004-04-10 Thread Trei, Peter
privacy wrote: [good points about weaknesses in adversarial system deleted] It's baffling that security experts today are clinging to the outmoded and insecure paper voting systems of the past, where evidence of fraud, error and incompetence is overwhelming. Cryptographic

Fortress America mans the ramparts

2004-04-10 Thread R. A. Hettinga
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storyprint.cfm?storyID=3559809 New Zealand Herald Online - Newspaper Sunday April 11, 2004 [An American flight crew member (left) is photographed and fingerprinted with by an immigration official. Picture / Reuters] Fortress America mans the ramparts 10.04.2004

Re: VPN VoIP

2004-04-10 Thread sunder
Eugen Leitl wrote: I've been installing a Draytek Vigor 2900 router at work lately, and found a line of models which do VoIP (router with analog phone jacks on them). They also support VPN router-router, and come with DynDNS clients. I thought I've seen VoIP over VPN being mentioned, but I can't

Re: Gmail as Blacknet (legally required forgetting)

2004-04-10 Thread Eric Cordian
Tyler Durden writes: What the law actually states is (basically) a defaulted loan must be forgiven after seven years. In other words, it is illegal to continue to attempt to collect on a loan, 7 years after the default. There are different levels of illegal. The most important one is the