Mikey:
I would suggest tangling with Chomsky for a bit. Start with...
http://zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=11&ItemID=2312
And then go from there. I have to agree with Peter Trei that your arguments
sound pretty pre-packaged and freeze-dried, very similar to the pablum the
American
--
On 19 Nov 2002 at 12:02, Kevin Elliott wrote:
> If you read between the lines of US history, you'll discover
> that America did not begin to succeed in the war until late
> in the war when the troops had become better trained and
> disciplined.
This is not my interpretation. Rather, the Am
> Kevin Elliott[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>
> At 10:37 -0700 on 11/19/02, Mike Diehl wrote:
> >> Unfortunately, terrorism is probably a predictable response by people
> >> who want to be able to control their own destinies, select their own
> >> leaders and forms of goivernment and so on.
>
> Mike Diehl[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] writes
[much snippage]
> . No, I think the Muslims need to back down, or be forced to.
[more snippage]
If you think 'the Muslims' are your enemy,
then you have a problem. 'The Muslims'
are not a monolithic group, and h
At 10:37 -0700 on 11/19/02, Mike Diehl wrote:
Unfortunately, terrorism is probably a predictable response by people
who want to be able to control their own destinies, select their own
leaders and forms of goivernment and so on.
Yes, it's just a "new" form of warfare. During the Revolution
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 01:02 pm, Kevin Elliott wrote:
> Correction in the interest of historical accuracy. The idea that we
> succeeded in the revolutionary war by "inventing a new form of
> warfare". The reality is that the british were marching in formation
> for very,
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 01:18 pm, Trei, Peter wrote:
> If you think 'the Muslims' are your enemy,
> then you have a problem.
I never said that they were MY enemy.
> 'The Muslims'
> are not a monolithic group, and have no
> central leadership. This is a bit lik
At 13:14 -0700 on 11/19/02, Mike Diehl wrote:
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 01:02 pm, Kevin Elliott wrote:
> Correction in the interest of historical accuracy. The idea that we
> succeeded in the revolutionary war by "inventing a new form of
> warfare". The reality is that the bri
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 10:59 am, Tyler Durden wrote:
> >Granted. I wish we could go back to isolationism, but as the worlds
> > >only remaining Super Power, that seems unlikely. No matter what we
> > >do, we simply can't win. When faced with a game I can't win, I
> > eit
Granted. I wish we could go back to isolationism, but as the worlds >only
remaining Super Power, that seems unlikely. No matter what we >do, we
simply can't win. When faced with a game I can't win, I either >decide to
not play, or I cheat. For the US, the first isn't an option.
Waitaminute.
> But you forget - the BATF agents were all beeped and informed to not
> bother to come in to work that day, and instead met up elsewhere, suited
> up so they could arrive just in time (a few minutes after the boom) to be
> heroic.
>
> That indicates something, what exactly it indicates is left as
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 09:11:51AM -0800, Tim May wrote:
> Alice uses a laptop or beltpack machine, with a Webcam or DV camcorder.
> (Minor details of using the laptop while closed...some laptops support
> this, others shut down. Hence the mention of beltpack/gargoyle
> machines.)
[...]
> Alice
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 08:26 am, Tyler Durden wrote:
> "If we left them alone, we'd be in constant
> fear of various types of terrorism funded by many governments in that
> region. We'd always be a hostage to OPEC."
>
> These are probably the same arguments used by our
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:03:05PM -0800, Eric Cordian wrote:
> So we not only have secret courts, we have secret appeals courts to
> reverse secret court decisions the government doesn't like.
I'd urge folks to read the redacted opinion, available here:
http://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/common/newsroo
At 01:48 AM 11/19/2002 -0800, Tim May wrote:
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 10:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And of course Wolfram's book is a big seller. I won't comment, except that
I see no particularly strong evidence that he has changed the way science
is done, or will be done. Others
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 12:13:55PM -0800, Tim May wrote:
> One wonders about secret rulings which have never been made public.
> Perhaps the Supreme Court also meets in secret and issues secret
> rulings.
At least in these current proceedings, we'll never know. Since the
federal government is th
"If we left them alone, we'd be in constant
fear of various types of terrorism funded by many governments in that
region. We'd always be a hostage to OPEC."
These are probably the same arguments used by our state department, and I
have to take exception with them. US involvement with the middle
From: Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: KK wired article on TOE etc
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:48:40 -0800
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 10:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
as just noted by TCM, kevin kelly on a computational/algorithmic TOE,
wolfram, wheeler, etc
So there's plenty of meat for conspiracy theory for a long time to come
Dave Emory has documented possible links between McVeigh and neo-fascist
groups. Search through http://www.spitfirelist.com/.
He also extensively documents connections between the Bush family and the
bin Ladens http://www.
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 10:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
as just noted by TCM, kevin kelly on a computational/algorithmic TOE,
wolfram, wheeler, etcetera, from current issue of wired.
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.12/holytech.html
I would say we are all in the midst of some
I'm sitting here, late, waiting to go out to my hot tub to catch the
peak of the Leonids. Which is why I accidentally sent my article
intended for the "Everything" list to this list by accident.
If the topic interests you, the usual searching around will find the
Everything list. It's a quiet l
All of your comments are very reasonable. I agree with most of them.
However, I have to take issue with your comments on drugs and employment, and
how we have hurt the Afghan people.
As to drugs and employment. I'm glad to see that you recognized that a
programer, like myself, has far fewer
I decided to look into these DMT Rands that everyone has been yammering
about. I'm not terribly surprised to see that they are a product of the
Laissez Faire City grifters. No thanks.
This little investigation did spark my interest in aquiring gold, however.
Do readers of this list have suggest
On Monday 18 November 2002 07:24 pm, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Keith Ray wrote:
> > It's been a number of years since Jim Bell wrote his infamous
> > "Assassination Politics" essay. If someone were to try to implement
> > the system today and not share Jim B
Quoting Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Third, there are good reasons why two of our list members have been
> sentenced to long jail terms by Big Brother, why some have fled the
> country, and why the Treasury Department's Criminal Investigation Unit
> published my SS number and declared in docu
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Sunder wrote:
> But you forget - the BATF agents were all beeped and informed to not
> bother to come in to work that day, and instead met up elsewhere, suited
> up so they could arrive just in time (a few minutes after the boom) to be
> heroic.
>
> That indicates something, w
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 02:58 PM, Mike Diehl wrote:
On Monday 18 November 2002 07:24 pm, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Keith Ray wrote:
It's been a number of years since Jim Bell wrote his infamous
"Assassination Politics" essay. If someone were to try to implement
the
At 02:27 PM 11/18/2002 -0800, Bill Frantz wrote:
At 10:42 AM -0800 11/15/02, Sunder wrote:
>What's disturbing about this is that we are on someone's list as e-gold
>customers or something, and this is very likely the same spoofer that had
>earlier set up e-golb.com and attempted the same kind of s
At 10:42 AM -0800 11/15/02, Sunder wrote:
>What's disturbing about this is that we are on someone's list as e-gold
>customers or something, and this is very likely the same spoofer that had
>earlier set up e-golb.com and attempted the same kind of spoof.
FWIW, I got one of the e-gold letters. I d
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 03:04 PM, Mike Diehl wrote:
On Monday 18 November 2002 04:03 pm, Eric Cordian wrote:
Someone posted:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A special, secretive appeals court on Monday
said the U.S. government has the right to use expanded powers to
wiretap suspected terrorism
But you forget - the BATF agents were all beeped and informed to not
bother to come in to work that day, and instead met up elsewhere, suited
up so they could arrive just in time (a few minutes after the boom) to be
heroic.
That indicates something, what exactly it indicates is left as an
excercis
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 12:59 PM, Tyler Durden wrote:
These aren't meant as rhetorical "I'm making a really good point"
questions, but actual questions. Depending on your answer, I wonder
how you feel about the WTC (along with a few thousand people) getting
taken out by an American
At 01:02 PM 11/18/2002 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:
http://news.com.com/2010-1069-966164.html
Perspective: Say hello to Big Brother
By Declan McCullagh
November 18, 2002, 7:05 AM PT
WASHINGTON--Like it or not, the proposed Department of Homeland
Security firmly establishes Washi
On Monday 18 November 2002 04:03 pm, Eric Cordian wrote:
> Someone posted:
> > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A special, secretive appeals court on Monday
> > said the U.S. government has the right to use expanded powers to
> > wiretap suspected terrorism suspects under a law adopted by
Tim is absolutely right -- we need a new Timmy McVeigh everyday. The
people in that building were feds, the kids were fed kids. Unfortunate
for the kids, but so what? Nits turn into lice. How many kids died at
Waco?
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Keith Ray wrote:
> It's been a number of years since Jim Bell wrote his infamous
> "Assassination Politics" essay. If someone were to try to implement
> the system today and not share Jim Bell's fate, they would need
> absolute anonymity and security. The technical requireme
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Anonymous wrote:
> Tim is absolutely right -- we need a new Timmy McVeigh everyday. The
> people in that building were feds, the kids were fed kids. Unfortunate
> for the kids, but so what? Nits turn into lice. How many kids died at
> Waco?
Thanks for the troll. We really
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