Re: Hullabo

2002-12-21 Thread Tim May
On Saturday, December 21, 2002, at 02:57 AM, Sarad AV wrote: hi, "Be the change you wish to see in the world" -Mahatma Gandhi So how we gonna change the world dude? Arise the masses,how he did that-I have no clue.How ever he did that in the 1940's when the only method of mass communicati

Re: Policing Bioterror Research

2002-12-21 Thread Tim May
On Saturday, December 21, 2002, at 10:07 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2002/1217/1 Policing Bioterror Research One of science's hottest fields is now becoming one of its most heavily regulated, too. The U.S. government last week unveiled sweeping new

Re: Bruce Schneier Hullabaloo

2002-12-21 Thread Neil Johnson
On Saturday 21 December 2002 08:45 am, Anonymous wrote: > > The high ranking for power concentration you implicity give to > transnationals is undeserved and you are fearful of the wrong > threat. The humblest meter maid can commence a process against > you with consequences far greater than those

How robust is SpeakFreely?

2002-12-21 Thread Thomas Shaddack
http://www.speakfreely.org/ is a nice, open-source cross-platfor VoIP software. Supports encryption by DES, Blowfish, and IDEA. Had anyone knowledgeable ever looked at its code? How secure this implementation is? Is better to use Blowfish or IDEA? Where are the potential holes there?

Re: status of SMS encryption project?

2002-12-21 Thread Thomas Shaddack
> I was curious what the status of the SMS encryption project quoted in the below post >is? > I did some googling and saw almost nothing on the subject. Newer GSM phones have java engines, used for ie. downloadable games. Shouldn't it be possible to write a SMS encryption/decryption software in J

Re: Misconceptions about how remailers work

2002-12-21 Thread Tim May
On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 04:48 PM, Michael Cardenas wrote: Tim May wrote: Remailers and Web proxies work in ways that skirt this "transparency" of MACs and routing that you are referring to. These are the types of technologies we are discussing. The fact that Disney or Lockheed may

Re: How robust is SpeakFreely?

2002-12-21 Thread Adam Shostack
On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 07:40:34PM +0100, Thomas Shaddack wrote: | | http://www.speakfreely.org/ is a nice, open-source cross-platfor VoIP | software. Supports encryption by DES, Blowfish, and IDEA. | | Had anyone knowledgeable ever looked at its code? How secure this | implementation is? Is bett

Re: CDR: THE PHILIPPINES AND THE U.S. HEGEMONIC THRUST

2002-12-21 Thread Marc de Piolenc
Snort, guffaw! Matthew X wrote: > "With the full backing and support by the US, President Arroyo as the > commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of the Philippines has unleashed a > most brutal war against progressive and militant forces. "progressive" = Communist "militant" = terrorist Marc d

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-21 Thread James A. Donald
-- William Warren > voting keeps you free..voting is our way of controlling and > shaping the government. In http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Price_Theory/PThy_Chapter_19/PT hy_Chap_19.html David Friedman explains why democracy does not work. --digsig James A. Donald

Re:Hullabo

2002-12-21 Thread Sarad AV
hi, > > "Be the change you wish to see in the world" > > -Mahatma Gandhi > So how we gonna change the world dude? Arise the masses,how he did that-I have no clue.How ever he did that in the 1940's when the only method of mass communication was radio(british controlled) and new paper(again brit

re:constant encryped stream

2002-12-21 Thread Sarad AV
hi, >Nothing serious, just throwing a quick thought out... >It has been mentioned that you should always use >crypto. If you wait >until >you actually have something private to send, then an >adversary will >know >exactly which message is important. Don't encrypt,post it by snail mail.I rememb

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-21 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 20 Dec 2002 at 19:26, William Warren wrote: > voting keeps you free..voting is our way of controlling and > shaping the government. No matter who you vote for, a politician always gets elected. > Those who do not exercise this duty do not deserve to > complain about what goes on. By v

Re: Bruce Schneier Hullabaloo

2002-12-21 Thread Anonymous
On Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:07:34 -0800 (PST), you wrote: > > Michael Cardenas wrote: > > (Begin Quote) > I'm curious as to what makes you, or anyone on this list, think that these >technologies by themselves will cause any sort of political upheaval...What's to >say that these technologies are no

Bruce Schneier Hullabaloo

2002-12-21 Thread A.Melon
Michael Cardenas wrote: (Begin Quote) I'm curious as to what makes you, or anyone on this list, think that these technologies by themselves will cause any sort of political upheaval...What's to say that these technologies are not going to be shaped to meet the needs and wants of the transna

Re: Misconceptions about how remailers work

2002-12-21 Thread Michael Cardenas
Tim May wrote: On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 12:34 PM, Michael Cardenas wrote: Anonymous wrote: Like I said before, P2P, Crypto, WiFi and cheap chips will turn everything upside down. I'm curious as to what makes you, or anyone on this list, think that these technologies by themselves

RE: Bruce Schneier hullabaloo

2002-12-21 Thread Mike Rosing
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Trei, Peter wrote: > I think you meant the *Beretta* family, who > have been making fine fireams since the 1520's. Yup, my spelling sucks :-) > Other really old companies: > > Stora Enso Oyj of Helsinki, Finland, a > paper and board maker, began as a > copper mine in central

RE: Bruce Schneier hullabaloo

2002-12-21 Thread Trei, Peter
> Mike Rosing[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote [...] > The Berrata family is still around, > mostly because they never decided > to be a _political_ power. They > have stayed as an economic one. [...] I think you meant the *Beretta* family, who have been making fine fireams since the 1520's. Othe

Re: Bruce Schneier hullabaloo

2002-12-21 Thread Mike Rosing
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Michael Cardenas wrote: > Ahh... I meant massive military might. Not a whole lot of difference usually :-) mike

Misconceptions about how remailers work

2002-12-21 Thread Tim May
On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 12:34 PM, Michael Cardenas wrote: Anonymous wrote: Like I said before, P2P, Crypto, WiFi and cheap chips will turn everything upside down. I'm curious as to what makes you, or anyone on this list, think that these technologies by themselves will cause any so

RE: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-21 Thread James A. Donald
-- > > Disney doesn't have the power to tell me what I may eat or > > smoke, except in their parks and on their property. On 20 Dec 2002 at 10:24, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: > Now, imagine a Disney owning the whole of the land of the > USA, and having armed forces the size of the USA. If a sin

Re: BigBrotherWare

2002-12-21 Thread Petro
On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 12:50:57PM -0800, Michael Cardenas wrote: > Tim May wrote: > >(Much has been made of how the Microsoft- and Intel-backed security > >regimes will be "opt in" or "voluntary." This seems dubious. It is > >precisely the non-volunteers who these companies, and Hollywood, and

Re: Constant Encrypted Stream

2002-12-21 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 10:27 AM 12/20/02 -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: > >Also check out "The Art of War" where Sun Tzu describes using >signals to confuse the enemy. We're not doing anything new here, >the toys are just more fun to play with is all :-) The moral equivalent of the pre-telegraph French semaphore soldiers

Re: Bruce Schneier hullabaloo

2002-12-21 Thread Michael Cardenas
Mike Rosing wrote: On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Michael Cardenas wrote: I just have a hard time seeing the bridge between armed rebellion against the largest military power the world has ever known, the U.S., and some new networking technologies that are being designed for cisco to make more money. Ev

Re: Bruce Schneier hullabaloo

2002-12-21 Thread Mike Rosing
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Michael Cardenas wrote: > I think that Bruce Schneier's terse comment just illustrates the > flippant attitude that lots of geeks have towards politics, and that > lots of people have also. Just because geeks know a lot about > technology, doesn't mean that they're impervious

status of SMS encryption project?

2002-12-21 Thread Anonymous
All (esp. lucky) - I was curious what the status of the SMS encryption project quoted in the below post is? I did some googling and saw almost nothing on the subject. thanks * To: Multiple recipients of list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Subject: Re: AUCRYPTO: RE: Cellular Phone Anonymity/Pri

Re: Constant Encrypted Stream

2002-12-21 Thread Mike Rosing
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > The moral equivalent of the pre-telegraph French semaphore soldiers > doing the macarena... > :-) To the tune of "I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok". :-) Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike

Re: Bruce Schneier hullabaloo

2002-12-21 Thread Michael Cardenas
Anonymous wrote: Like I said before, P2P, Crypto, WiFi and cheap chips will turn everything upside down. I'm curious as to what makes you, or anyone on this list, think that these technologies by themselves will cause any sort of political upheaval. Lawrence Lessig has talked about how tec

Status of SMS encryption project?

2002-12-21 Thread Matthew X
>>>Ultimately, what we need is encrypted voice. <<< Al Quaida sure do.Dragon speaking has some Drs and lawyers packages,so maybe they have a crypto option.A local Dr here had his laptop seized recently so I imagine there is at least a small market. http://www.dragontalk.com/ORDERINFO.htm I'll wr

Constant encrypted stream

2002-12-21 Thread Anonymous
"It has been mentioned that you should always use crypto. If you wait until you actually have something private to send, then an adversary will know exactly which message is important." Or, alternatively, if Crypto use by "everyday folks" was as common as, saying, Gnutella file sharing, then i

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-21 Thread Neil Johnson
On Friday 20 December 2002 06:26 pm, William Warren wrote: > voting keeps you free..voting is our way of controlling and shaping the > government. Those who do not exercise this duty do not deserve to > complain about what goes on. I used to be in the non-voting > category..then i stopped and ste

RE: Libel lunacy -all laws apply fnord everywhere

2002-12-21 Thread Bill Stewart
At 6:11 PM -0800 on 12/12/02, Lucky Green wrote: > Agreed. A few years ago, some would advocate that on the Internet, > no national laws apply. This was, of course, nonsense. Instead, > every single national, regional, and local law in effect today > anywhere in the world applies to anything you do

Re: Bruce Schneier hullabaloo

2002-12-21 Thread Mike Rosing
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Michael Cardenas wrote: > I'm not advocating armed rebellion. I'm saying that the current > political structures in power have massive political might and are > willing to use it to stay in power, as we are witnessing more everyday, > and anything that challenges that might wi

Re: Constant Encrypted Stream

2002-12-21 Thread Mike Rosing
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > Very good, sir. Your next assignment is to read about Mixmaster > anonymous remailer networks. Generally sending uniformly-sized (padded > or fragmented or noise) blocks at regular intervals is preferable (and > equivalent) > to your suggestion o

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-21 Thread William Warren
voting keeps you free..voting is our way of controlling and shaping the government. Those who do not exercise this duty do not deserve to complain about what goes on. I used to be in the non-voting category..then i stopped and stepped out of life and looked at hte gov't..and did not like it..

Re: Bruce Schneier hullabaloo

2002-12-21 Thread Michael Cardenas
Michael Cardenas wrote: I'm not advocating armed rebellion. I'm saying that the current political structures in power have massive political might and are willing to use it to stay in power, as we are witnessing more everyday, and anything that challenges that might will eventually have to fa

Re: Suspending the Constitution

2002-12-21 Thread Marcel Popescu
From: "Jim Choate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Freedom -is- Security. Wake him up! Jim got one thing right, we can't have that. It ruins our filtering. Mark

Re: Bruce Schneier hullabaloo

2002-12-21 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 01:43 PM 12/20/02 -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: > I >don't see Nero as that much different than W, other than W's >mom isn't gonna get offed like Nero's was. She's smarter than >her son is :-) Not necessarily. Nero's mom didn't have SS agents watching her and PaBush for life. -- "Intended only

Re: Constant Encrypted Stream

2002-12-21 Thread Adam Shostack
On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 10:10:25PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Nothing serious, just throwing a quick thought out... | | It has been mentioned that you should always use crypto. If you wait until | you actually have something private to send, then an adversary will know | exactly which messa

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-21 Thread Marcel Popescu
From: "Vincent Penquerc'h" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Disney doesn't have the power to tell me what I may eat or smoke, > > except in their parks and on their property. > > [snip] > > Now, imagine a Disney owning the whole of the land of the USA, > and having armed forces the size of the USA. > At le

Re: Constant encrypted stream

2002-12-21 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 03:01 PM 12/20/02 -0600, Anonymous wrote: >Or, alternatively, if Crypto use by "everyday folks" was as common as, saying, Gnutella file sharing, then it would be a HELL of a lot harder for invisible ears to pick out potentially interesting encrypted files (how many Gnutella files are shared each

Re: Bruce Schneier hullabaloo

2002-12-21 Thread Petro
On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 10:35:06AM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: > > onto the radar of U.S. legislators, who see the danger it poses to the > > traditional power structures. Unless all those free software programmers > > are prepared for armed rebellion when their right to share code is taken > > away,

Re: Constant encrypted stream

2002-12-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Anonymous wrote: > And I wonder...with international companies now cracking down on > "Power-Users" of networks like Gnutella, one would think that > building-in some crypto capabilities (say into Kazaa) could be > something "regular" people might be willing to pay for. (Or, a

Constant Encrypted Stream

2002-12-21 Thread gann
Nothing serious, just throwing a quick thought out... It has been mentioned that you should always use crypto. If you wait until you actually have something private to send, then an adversary will know exactly which message is important. Encrypting everything gives equal suspicion to each message

Snort

2002-12-21 Thread Michael Motyka
>>> My intuition is that the government is going to be slightly fairer >>> than, >>> for example, Disney. That's just a guess, though. >>> >>> Bruce >>> >> With an emphasis on "slightly" I might tend to agree but it looks more >> like the difference >> between liver cancer and kidney failure tha

Re: Constant Encrypted Stream

2002-12-21 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 10:10 PM 12/19/02 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Nothing serious, just throwing a quick thought out... > >It has been mentioned that you should always use crypto. If you wait until >you actually have something private to send, then an adversary will know >exactly which message is important. En

Re: Constant Encrypted Stream

2002-12-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The main problem to solve as I see it would be for legitimate recipients to > be able to determine when a message is real and not trash, without letting > an adversary know. Access such page via http. Sometimes it's a streamed webcam, sometimes it's

Re: BigBrotherWare

2002-12-21 Thread Michael Cardenas
Tim May wrote: Speculation: I expect the battles over cyberspace to shift to the OS, with the leading private (non open source) OS makers "enlisted" in the War Against Illegal Thoughts. The easiest initial front in this war, one the OS companies like Apple and Microsoft have a corporate inter