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The difference between private property owners doing this, and
the governemnt doing this is that 100% of private property
owners are NOT going to agree on anything.
This presumes the existence of significant amount of (at least
potentially) competing private owners - then it is valid argument.
I just realized this morning that corporations can't exiest in an anarchy,
they are whole a fiction of the state. And, since corporations are just a method
for thieves and criminals to evade the reprecussions of their crimes, i.e., no
personal financial or legal responsibility as there would be
At which point Tim will countersue with an arguement similar to this:
Mega Corporation:
Your oxygen is tresspassing on my private property. Any oxygen that does
so becomes mine to do with as I please. Further, since you have been
unable to keep your pesky Oxygen off my property, I am hereby
Thomas Shaddack wrote:
Last time I checked, cryptography (and technologies in general) empowers
the Individual against the Bigger Entities - regardless if they are
Megacorps or Governments[1]. Hence, anticorporate views have their natural
place on this list.
[1] As the entanglement between
On Saturday, March 8, 2003, at 04:15 PM, Anonymous wrote:
On Saturday 08 March 2003 01:33 am, Tim May wrote:
Silly person, a property does not have rights. Owners have rights. And
these apply whether one person, 5 persons, or a group of co-owners own
something.
Dewey, Cheatum, and Howe, LP
2000
On Friday 07 March 2003 00:52, gann wrote:
A tiny fuel cell that detects the alcoholic breath of a
drink-driver and calls the police has been developed snip
I'm in favor of it snip
Neither you nor anyone else has the right to force me or any other
individual to subsidize your welfare.
On Sunday 09 March 2003 11:52, Tim May wrote:
Neither MegaCorp nor anyone else has property rights to the air.
MegaCorp doesn't have property rights to the air, but Amazon was
recently granted a patent on A Process for Bringing Oxygen into the
Body.
--
Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere
On Sunday, March 9, 2003, at 07:14 AM, Harmon Seaver wrote:
I just realized this morning that corporations can't exiest in an
anarchy,
they are whole a fiction of the state. And, since corporations are
just a method
for thieves and criminals to evade the reprecussions of their crimes,
i.e.,
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 08:57:43AM +0100, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
You need to find some Green Party, anti-globalization, lesbo-pagan,
registration of crypto mailing list that has your kind on it.
Last time I checked, cryptography (and technologies in general) empowers
the Individual against
You need to find some Green Party, anti-globalization, lesbo-pagan,
registration of crypto mailing list that has your kind on it.
Last time I checked, cryptography (and technologies in general) empowers
the Individual against the Bigger Entities - regardless if they are
Megacorps or
It's actually Onizuka Air Force Station. It is contiguous to Moffet.
And if one realizes the difference between collection, control, and
interpretation, Some of the vile despicable actions become more clear.
PHM
- Original Message -
From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Breaking news - The three airports in Delta's pilot project include San Jose.
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Last week Bill Scannell [EMAIL PROTECTED] announced the
BoycottDelta.org protest against Delta's collaboration with the CAPPS II
pass-law pilot project. Among other publicity activities,
BoycottDelta.org had
On Sunday 09 March 2003 10:31 am, david wrote:
Neither you nor anyone else has the right to force me or any other
individual to subsidize your welfare.
This device, if forced on individuals by a government entity, would
violate fourth amendment protections against self-incrimination.
DUI
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 12:10:35PM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote:
Doing the technical part of detecting alcohol vapor is cool,
[...]
Actually, that's not even really a solved problem yet, but
that's not well-known outside of people who litigate
drunk driving cases for a living.
This article -
On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:31:40 -0500 (est), Sunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Screw that - just buy a few thousand of these little devices, disable them
so that they're always transmitting drunk driver and install them in
politicians' cars all over DC (make sure you install'em in cop
cars too.) You
Kevin S. Van Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tyler Durden wrote:
Let's take one of my famous extreme examples.
Let's say a section of
the New Jersey Turnpike gets turned over to a
private company, which
now owns and operates this section.
So...now let's say I'm black. NO! Let's say
Tyler Durden wrote:
Actually, I am dimly aware of this. From the little I've been able to
glean, there is a very slow, steady progress in the 'science' of
economics/econometrics.
By the way, one piece of evidence that economics is maturing into a real
science is that it is becoming usable by
We did a drive-by this afternoon of the National Reconnaissance Office HQ
in Chantilly, VA, to see what corporations who operate its technology were
in the neighborhood. Across the street was Lockheed Martin, Boeing,
and a gaggle of same-faced untitled buildings. Down Conference Dr was
the FBI's
Major Variola (ret) wrote:
I just realized this morning that corporations can't exiest in an
anarchy,
they are whole a fiction of the state.
In the sense of a govt-recognized, protected entity, granted.
But not in terms of voluntary associations.
Not all companies are corporations.
At 09:14 AM 3/9/03 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
I just realized this morning that corporations can't exiest in an
anarchy,
they are whole a fiction of the state.
In the sense of a govt-recognized, protected entity, granted.
But not in terms of voluntary associations.
And, since corporations
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 10:31:52PM -0600, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote:
Not all companies are corporations. Corporations are a particular kind
of company chartered by the state in order to absolve certain people of
responsibility for their actions. There is a business form, whose name I
forget
On Sunday, March 9, 2003, at 06:46 PM, John Young wrote:
We did a drive-by this afternoon of the National Reconnaissance Office
HQ
in Chantilly, VA, to see what corporations who operate its technology
were
in the neighborhood. Across the street was Lockheed Martin, Boeing,
and a gaggle of
--- Kevin S. Van Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: Steve Thompson wrote:
That's too logical,
No, it's not. Logical actors dominate in the economy
because those prone
to excessive irrationality end up with little money
to play with.
Perhaps you aren't joking... I would be forced to
agree
On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Tim May wrote:
Did I invite the public in when an announcement was made for a
meeting at my house last September? There were many people I had never
met personally, nor even heard of.
Nearly all were well-behaved, but what if someone had not been? Were my
property rights
At 09:58 AM 3/9/03 -0500, Sunder wrote:
At which point Tim will countersue with an arguement similar to this:
Mega Corporation:
Your oxygen is tresspassing on my private property. Any oxygen that
does
so becomes mine to do with as I please. Further, since you have been
unable to keep your
At 10:19 PM -0600 on 3/9/03, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote:
By the way, one piece of evidence that economics is maturing into a real
science is that it is becoming usable by engineers;
Well, finance, anyway, where it is possible to calculate some risk.
You can't calculate prices, though. You
On Sunday, March 9, 2003, at 03:05 PM, Anonymous Sender wrote:
On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Tim May wrote:
Did I invite the public in when an announcement was made for a
meeting at my house last September? There were many people I had never
met personally, nor even heard of.
Nearly all were well-behaved,
Tim May wrote:
More time-consuming than I am prepared to commit to for an article
which maybe 5 people will read!)
Ah, you're too modest, Tim. In spite of the fact that you're a bigoted,
misanthropic curmudgeon, at least you're an INTERESTING bigoted,
misanthropic curmudgeon. :-)
On Sunday, March 9, 2003, at 05:04 PM, Paul H. Merrill wrote:
It's actually Onizuka Air Force Station. It is contiguous to Moffet.
And if one realizes the difference between collection, control, and
interpretation, Some of the vile despicable actions become more clear.
He said Moffett. I pointed
david wrote:
But you wouldn't mind if insurance companies required the device
in order for you to get a policy (whether or not it called the
police or just the insurance company) ?
Right ?
If I did mind, I'd just find a different insurance company. It's a
little bit harder for me to say, I
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At 09:41 AM 03/09/2003 -0800, Greg Broiles wrote:
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 12:10:35PM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote:
Doing the technical part of detecting alcohol vapor is cool,
[...]
Actually, that's not even really a solved problem yet, but
that's not well-known outside of people who litigate
drunk
Comie fantasy.
That theory is Marx's monopoly capitalism. Commies have been
loudly announcing Marx's prophecies to be coming true, even
though after 1910 they no longer took the prophecies seriously
themselves.
Open your eyes and look around yourself. Take any bigger, established
market -
R. A. Hettinga wrote:
By the way, one piece of evidence that economics is maturing into a real
science is that it is becoming usable by engineers;
Well, finance, anyway, where it is possible to calculate some risk.
You can't calculate prices, though. You discover them.
For commodities, if
On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 07:55 PM, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote:
R. A. Hettinga wrote:
By the way, one piece of evidence that economics is maturing into a
real science is that it is becoming usable by engineers;
Well, finance, anyway, where it is possible to calculate some risk.
You can't
At 08:52 AM 03/10/2003 -0500, david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sunday 09 March 2003 18:16, you [whoever that was?] wrote:
On Sunday 09 March 2003 10:31 am, david wrote:
Neither you nor anyone else has the right to force me or any
other individual to subsidize your welfare.
This device,
I wonder what the effect would be in states like WI which don't require auto
insurance. Insurance is noticably cheaper here than in MN which does require it.
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 01:25:05PM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote:
At 08:52 AM 03/10/2003 -0500, david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sunday
Anon wrote quoting Tim:
Does my right to control my own property vanish when I
become a shop
or restaurant? How about when I get larger?
Renowned cypherpunk Dave Del Torto thinks it does. This is
the argument that he was using to try to gain admittance to
CodeCon this year, after
On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 02:44:44AM +0100, Anonymous wrote:
But let's cut to the chase. Assume that all private grocery
store owners want to exclude people from their stores. Now
assume that 100% of them agree that effective Tuesday, only
those people who have a receipt for a $100 or more
Steve Thompson wrote:
Logical actors dominate in the economy
because those prone
to excessive irrationality end up with little money
to play with.
Perhaps you aren't joking... I would be forced to
agree with you is you defined `logical' in this
context to mean actors following the logic of
--
James A. Donald:
The difference between private property owners doing this,
and the governemnt doing this is that 100% of private
property owners are NOT going to agree on anything.
On 9 Mar 2003 at 8:36, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
This presumes the existence of significant amount of
On Sunday 09 March 2003 10:52 am, Tim May wrote:
Neither MegaCorp nor anyone else has property rights to the air.
So rights only apply to land ?
What's the frigg'in difference between dirt and air. It's all atoms.
Did you specify that you also wanted rights to the air on your property when
(First, I apologize for my heavy use of parenthetical remarks here.
Even more than usual, I see in reviewing what I have written. Writing
in a smooth, continuous, no parenthetical or offset remarks style is
time-consuming. More time-consuming than I am prepared to commit to for
an article
Quoting Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Would there be an easy blacknet way to offer those t-shirts that would be
un-shutdownable?
Also, as an added (perhaps necessary) benefit, the ability to protect
(through anonymity) those that ran the site?
There are three requirements for anonymous
On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 00:52:29 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A tiny fuel cell that detects the alcoholic breath of a drink-driver
and calls the police has been developed by a team of engineers at
Texas Christian University. A pump draws air in from the passenger
cabin, a platinum catalyst converts
At 08:06 PM 3/10/03 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 09:52:04AM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
Would there be an easy blacknet way to offer those t-shirts that
would be
un-shutdownable?
As Bill notes, there's no need to do it here.
Specifically, my Epson Stylus 2200 can print
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
Yes, but can it do organic synthesis?
Current microfluidics will result in a chymische hochzeit with desktop
nanolithoprinting. If you thought *current* ink cartridges were
expensive...
At 07:04 AM 3/11/03 +0100, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
Comie fantasy.
That theory is Marx's monopoly capitalism. Commies have been
loudly announcing Marx's prophecies to be coming true, even
though after 1910 they no longer took the prophecies seriously
themselves.
Open your eyes and look around
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Sarad AV wrote:
Taking v=3 bit accuracy,the 3 leading bits are
000
100
110
111
In the example k=3 and v=3
So according to definition there are 2^(kv) possible
combinations of bits occur the same
number of times in a period.
i.e 2^(3*3)=512 combinations.
But
At 09:52 AM 03/10/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
Just wondering...
Would there be an easy blacknet way to offer those t-shirts that would
be un-shutdownable?
If you wanted to do all the work of printing and mailing t-shirts yourself,
and had a blacknet that was sufficiently strong for this kind
Tom Veil wrote...
Otherwise, if the company really wanted such a dickheaded policy, then
yes, it would be their right. Of course, it would also be your right to
organize a boycott, take an alternate route, or build your own spur route.
This is the general gist of the arguments and so far I'm
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 09:52:04AM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
Would there be an easy blacknet way to offer those t-shirts that would be
un-shutdownable?
As Bill notes, there's no need to do it here.
Specifically, my Epson Stylus 2200 can print t-shirt transfers. The
cost is $1 for the
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 02:56:36PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not crazy about everything that the government does, but there
are trade- offs in a non-perfect society. One of them is monitoring
the innocent to, in turn, attempt to prevent the guilty from
trampling over everything, God
On Sunday 09 March 2003 18:16, you wrote:
On Sunday 09 March 2003 10:31 am, david wrote:
Neither you nor anyone else has the right to force me or any
other individual to subsidize your welfare.
This device, if forced on individuals by a government entity,
would violate fourth amendment
On Sunday 09 March 2003 18:16, A.Melon wrote:
On Sunday 09 March 2003 10:31 am, david wrote:
Neither you nor anyone else has the right to force me or any
other individual to subsidize your welfare.
This device, if forced on individuals by a government entity,
would violate fourth
Tyler Durden wrote on March 7, 2003 at 12:46:35 -0500:
Tom Veil wrote...
These fuckards really need to learn what private property is.
('Fuckards'. I like that. GIMMEE.)
Alright. There's something I'm not getting here, so the Libertarians on the
board are free to enlighten me.
Let's
Kevin Horne wrote...
By the way, one piece of evidence that economics is maturing into a real
science is that it is becoming usable by engineers; in particular, it has
been applied to investment analysis and portfolio theory, resulting in
significant improvements in investment performance.
Just wondering...
Would there be an easy blacknet way to offer those t-shirts that would be
un-shutdownable?
Also, as an added (perhaps necessary) benefit, the ability to protect
(through anonymity) those that ran the site?
Plus, another thought occurs to me. Is it possible, perhaps, via
Tim Writes:
Access to Food Must Be Equal!
The Bush Administration is proposing radical changes in the way food
has been purchased by Americans for the past hundred years.
Agriculture Secretary Clayton Yeutter is floating the idea of a
voucher system for groceries which would allow families
Anonymous wrote on March 8, 2003 at 01:15:10 +0100:
On Saturday 08 March 2003 01:33 am, Tim May wrote:
Silly person, a property does not have rights. Owners have rights. And
these apply whether one person, 5 persons, or a group of co-owners own
something.
Dewey, Cheatum, and Howe, LP
I'm imagining Tim sitting at his window with a shotgun and some
high-tech oxygen detector...
Or a couple of low tech parrots like Declan McCatohead and jya.Hopefully
Mongo will do a Hemingway soon.
The idea is not to convince anyone with your arguments but to provide the
arguments with which
Does it mean that such observations are invalid just because Marx
predicted them?
Good point. And also, just because someone points out that it looks like
Marx's predictions may be coming true, it doesn't mean that that person
believes this is desirable.
-TD
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