Re: [p2p-hackers] Project Announcement: P2P Sockets
infrastructure for these. Everyone knows about them by using a common boostrap server to bootstrap into the Jxta network to gain the addresses of a few Rendezvous nodes. Rendezvous nodes then propagate So they are subject to lawsuits. Anyone running them can be traced and persuaded by the local force monopoly to stop running them. I see this just as shifting vulnerability point from the current one (ISPs, ICANN) to a new one, equally traceable. What this can buy is few months of confusion. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
Re: [cdr] Inferno: USPTO p0wn3d (fwd)
I didn't write that, only passed it along. On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 05:45 PM 9/10/03 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: open-source software runs counter to the mission of WIPO which is to promote intellectual-property rights...To hold a meeting which has as its purpose to disclaim or waive such rights seems to us to be contrary to the goals of WIPO. Not surprising. Any beast that sees its habitat being destroyed will react this way. At the least, not running a conference for it; and perhaps lobbying beyond their charter. One imagines the Telegraph Union vigorously opposed the introduction of telephones. And think of the National Security (tm) implications of peer-to-peer communications like telephony! --- One man's blowback is another man's feedback -- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com www.open-forge.com
[cdr] What's up with the Cypherpunks archive?
Hi, Is it really so that there are no up to date archives? Venona seems to have stopped a while back. Just curious. -- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com www.open-forge.com
Re: [Brinworld] UK firms tout camera phone blinding tech
Safe Haven works by transmitting a signal in a localised environment such as a school, swimming pool, office facility or factory, which disables the camera functionality of devices in the nearby environment, the companies claim. If there will be a dedicated receiver circuit in the phone, operating on other than cellular frequencies, it will be fairly trivial to shield or jam or damage it. (Some countries, I think something Far-Eastern, want legislation to force the manufacturers to make the handset emit loud tone when taking the picture. A tiny switch enabling/disabling the transducer takes care of it rather easily. A non-tech approach could be to make the same tone popular as a ringtone, psychologically immunizing people against paying special attention to it.) If it will be a firmware update, it is matter of couple days or at most weeks until rogue firmware versions with blocking disabled pop up all around - especially if one of the blocked functions will be SMS messages in schools.
[cdr] Another Cypherpunks Investigation?
Hi, I had an interesting experience yesterday. I got to talk to a person claiming to be with the DoJ in Philly (if memory serves). Apparently they are investigating one or more posts in the Aug. time frame for something. They were interested in a subpeona regarding technical information about the list. The person didn't make it clear exactly who they were investigating. The questions were focused on how the mailing list worked and where there was editorial opportunity. They were also interested in mail and network logs for that time frame (which I don't normally keep past 3-4 days). I was very carefull to explain that IP spoofing was easy to do so that the veracity or reliability of the logs was in question. I'm deciding not to provide the persons name and contact info since I'm not sure what the effect would be. I requested they talk with my lawyer in regards to future information and that I wasn't interested in getting involved. That's about all I have on the topic at this time. -- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com www.open-forge.com
[Lucrative-L] ponderance of the day
--- begin forwarded text Status: U From: Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Lucrative-L] ponderance of the day Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:22:17 -0600 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Question: What kind of filter do you use in your Java pot? Answer: A Bloom filter. Lucrative is in SourceForge, awaiting use by anyone clever enough to seize it. In the meantime, I am putting a lot of effort into finding permanent employment, so updates are coming quite slowly. Anyone who wants quicker action on Lucrative--the source is out there. Lucratively, Patrick The Lucrative Project: http://lucrative.thirdhost.com . To subscribe or unsubscribe from this discussion list, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with just the word unsubscribe in the message body (or, of course, subscribe) --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
open WiFi defense to RIAA
It should be massive fun when the RIAA sues someone who has an open WiFi network inhabited by unknown users. We await this defense. Doubleplus fun if the RIAA victim doesn't know he's sharing his bandwidth. We also anticipate someone being sued for downloading a rip of a song they have a vinyl. Ie, that they have legal rights to own a more convenient copy of.
Schneier favoring drivers licenses for info superhighway?
http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=56662section=BUSINESSsubsection=BUSINESSyear=2003month=9day=12 So why not institute mandatory education before people can go online? After all, motorists must obtain licenses before they can legally hit the road, and computers are much more complicated. It could be a four-year college degree, a one-month course. It might be a good idea, said Bruce Schneier, chief technology officer for Counterpane Internet Security Inc. Or it might be a bad idea. The downside is everybody you know won't be able to have a computer anymore, and I like being able to send e-mail to friends, Schneier said.
Satellite Tracking of Suspects Requires a Warrant, Court Rules
Didn't they do this kind of thing to Jim Bell? Cheers, RAH --- http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/12/national/12GPS.html?th=pagewanted=printposition= The New York Times September 12, 2003 Satellite Tracking of Suspects Requires a Warrant, Court Rules By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS LYMPIA, Wash., Sept. 11 (AP) - The police cannot attach a Global Positioning System tracker to a suspect's vehicle without a warrant, the Washington Supreme Court said today in the first such ruling in the nation. The court refused, however, to overturn the murder conviction of the man who brought the appeal, William B. Jackson, who unknowingly led the police to the shallow grave of his 9-year-old daughter in 1999 after a G.P.S. device was attached to his vehicle. Spokane County deputies had a warrant for the tracking device used in that case, although prosecutors argued they did not need one. Use of G.P.S. tracking devices is a particularly intrusive method of surveillance, Justice Barbara Madsen wrote in the unanimous decision, making it possible to acquire an enormous amount of personal information about the citizen under circumstances where the individual is unaware that every single vehicle trip taken and the duration of every single stop may be recorded by the government. Justice Madsen raised the prospect of citizens' being tracked to the strip club, the opera, the baseball game, the `wrong' side of town, the family planning clinic, the labor rally. The closely watched case had evoked worries about the police using the satellite tracking devices to watch citizens' every move. Doug Honig, a spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union of Washington, said the ruling was the first of its kind in the country. Attaching a tracking device to a car is the equivalent of placing an invisible police officer in a person's back seat, Mr. Honig said. Our state Constitution has very strong protections for privacy. Some other states also have very strong protections for privacy. This will be a strong precedent for them to look at and for any law enforcement agency around the country. The Spokane County deputy prosecutor, Kevin Korsmo, pronounced himself satisfied that Mr. Jackson's conviction had been upheld. But he said the court had expanded privacy rights for criminal suspects. Mr. Korsmo said that in previous cases involving surveillance by more conventional means, like binoculars or the naked eye, the Supreme Court held that there was no right of privacy for what a person did in public. In the Jackson case, the defendant sought to have the warrant thrown out, arguing that it was based on the slimmest of premises: If he was guilty, he might return to the scene of the crime. Prosecutors contended that the warrant was proper and that they did not even need a warrant; they contended that the device was equivalent to tailing Mr. Jackson in an unmarked car. The court agreed that the warrant was valid, but rejected the comparison between the device and tailing. The devices in this case were in place for approximately 2.5 weeks, Justice Madsen wrote. It is unlikely that the sheriff's department could have successfully maintained uninterrupted 24-hour surveillance throughout this time by following Jackson. A call to Mr. Jackson's lawyer was not immediately returned. Mr. Jackson reported his daughter missing the day she died. He was arrested nearly a month later after investigators used the G.P.S. system to map his routes to the burial site. He acknowledged burying his daughter but denied killing her. He said he panicked after finding her body in her bed. He was convicted of murder and sentenced to 56 years in prison. -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Satellite Tracking of Suspects Requires a Warrant, Court Rules
Yes, GPS tracking was allegedly done to Jim, and its illegality is one of the points of his appeal. He claims that the legal basis for installing the device and data-spotting his movements were flawed. And that there were problems as well with interpretation of the data. Jim tried to argue this during his trial but neither his defense attorney or the judge would allow the argument, so sacred is the blind belief that the official use of the tracking technology is so content neutral, so credible, as if fingerprints, lie detector, DNA, or criminal crypto. The agents who installed the criminal tracking device and interpreted (doctored) the data, were in the courtroom and smiled broadly at Jim's futile challenge of conventional wisdom. It is possible that there was no device and the whole rig was made up in the narc lab, using physical tailing as the source of info needed to confect digital, ie, neutral, evidence. This follows, naturally, the fact that agents' testimony is not believed by anyone any more, so often do they lie. Lying technology has not yet had its truth told, or at not yet believed that it is no better than official lying. George Maschke has made some headway against the polygraph (www.polygraph.org) and fingerprints are not as convincing as they once were, fakes being easy to make, although DNA is a runaway train, and biometrics are believed to be FUD-free. Hoot, hoot. Bob Hettinga wrote: Didn't they do this kind of thing to Jim Bell?
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Re: open WiFi defense to RIAA
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Major Variola (ret.) wrote: We also anticipate someone being sued for downloading a rip of a song they have a vinyl. Ie, that they have legal rights to own a more convenient copy of. RIAA has anticipated this ploy. The argument goes that one only has the right to rip one's own recordings; bits from other's recordings are not licensed. Not commenting on buggy whips, genies, bottles, or the law, -j -- Jamie Lawrence[EMAIL PROTECTED] Humans are at least as numerous as pigeons, their brains are not significantly costlier than pigeon brains, and for many tasks they are actually superior. -Richard Dawkins
Re: [cdr] Re: GPG Sig test
Thus spake Bill Frantz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [10/09/03 22:27]: [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc] For some reason this mail tickled my sense of humor. Try sending the message without MIME. *Please*, for the sake of all that is good and sane, stick with PGP/MIME signatures. Configure your demime to *not* strip attachments of application/pgp-signature. I know there's two strong camps, but I *hate* inline PGP with a passion. It clutters up the message, and most people (and mail clients) don't have the sense to strip out the PGP cruft when quoting.
Re: unintended consequences: Davis recall leads to US internal passports
J.A. Terranson wrote: On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, John Young wrote: Don't ever respond to a jury summons by showing up or calling in. If you do then you'll forever be in the sucker-responsive data base. Well, as the button says, Any 12 people who can't get off jury duty aren't *my* peers Aside from FIJA being an important political statement, if you're not interested in that kind of thing, bringing their literature with you to hand out to your fellow potential jurors (*before* you're hauled into the courtroom for a specific trial, so as not to be harassed for jury tampering) is generally a way to get yourself out of the process. But yes, otherwise, whatever it was that Tim forgot about, no, I don't remember that stuff, unless they ask really precise questions during voir dire. The last time I was in the potential-jurors pool, it was a case I'd have been tossed out of instantly during voir dire if they'd gotten to me (they went through about 50-60 people, and I was about #75 on the list.) The prosecutor was making sure that all of the potential jurors understood that police never lied, and that just because the accused was a 5-foot-tall 90-pound quiet-looking woman didn't mean that she couldn't have interfered with a cop during a family dispute situation, and I'd have had to answer the question about whether I'd been arrested for or convicted of a crime with something like Well, the police agreed to drop the charges of interfering with an officer in return for me agreeing not to sue them; the defense lawyer might not have liked me either :-)
Re: Satellite Tracking of Suspects Requires a Warrant, Court Rules
At 01:05 PM 9/12/2003 -0700, John Young wrote: The agents who installed the criminal tracking device and interpreted (doctored) the data, were in the courtroom and smiled broadly at Jim's futile challenge of conventional wisdom. It is possible that there was no device and the whole rig was made up in the narc lab, using physical tailing as the source of info needed to confect digital, ie, neutral, evidence. This follows, naturally, the fact that agents' testimony is not believed by anyone any more, so often do they lie. In the halls of justice, the only justice is in the halls. -- Lenny Bruce
Re: Another Cypherpunks Investigation?
On Friday, September 12, 2003, at 06:32 AM, Jim Choate wrote: Hi, I had an interesting experience yesterday. I got to talk to a person claiming to be with the DoJ in Philly (if memory serves). Apparently they are investigating one or more posts in the Aug. time frame for something. They were interested in a subpeona regarding technical information about the list. The person didn't make it clear exactly who they were investigating. The questions were focused on how the mailing list worked and where there was editorial opportunity. They were also interested in mail and network logs for that time frame (which I don't normally keep past 3-4 days). I was very carefull to explain that IP spoofing was easy to do so that the veracity or reliability of the logs was in question. I'm deciding not to provide the persons name and contact info since I'm not sure what the effect would be. I requested they talk with my lawyer in regards to future information and that I wasn't interested in getting involved. That's about all I have on the topic at this time. I was curious about which messages in August could be of interest. Seeing none (via the lne.com feed I am subscribed to), I searched via Google for various articles mentioning cypherpunks and variations on philadelphia, pittsburgh, and pennsylvania. And I narrowed the search to posts in July and August. I got some almost immediate hits (no pun intended). I've made it easy for anyone to find them via Google. Search on this search string: pittsburgh professor rat Search also on some of the names in the first article which pops up, i.e., on: Mary Beth Buchanan My comment is that this Professor Rat, whose posts I have not seen for as long as lne.com has been my feed, is probably in some real difficulty. His posts are very direct threats, not veiled in any of the vague, political politicians ought to be given a fair trial and then hanged or even the I hope Washington is nuked sorts. (One rule of thumb I use is to never, ever use actual names of burrowcrats. Except for a few at the top, I don't even make any effort to remember the names. It's hard to be charged with making a direct, credible threat when no specific person is either named or alluded to.) Were he in the U.S., I'd expect he'd face serious charges. Being that he's in Australia, as far as I know, I doubt extradition will occur. And even if he were prosecuted, by Oz or by the U.S., his various articles indicate mental disturbance could be a winning defense, with him ordered to get back on his Prozac or Zoloft or whatever. The questions being asked of Jim may have to do with the Feds making the only prosecution they can make: that those passing on such threats via mailing lists are somehow guilty of some crime. This is just speculation on my part. If so, the case may hinge on issues of common carrier status. Also, I believe Congress passed a bill explicitly saying that sysops are not liable for the e-mail passing through their systems...Declan will likely have the latest on this. Anyway, I'll bet good money this is the series of messages in question. Nothing else I have seen either rises to this level or seems to involve Pennsylvania in any significant way. --Tim May
Re: GPG Sig test
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 02:08:00PM -0400, Damian Gerow wrote: Configure your demime to *not* strip attachments of application/pgp-signature. If someone knows how, please tell me. Eric
MIME-encrustations.
Regarding the use of the mutt-specific MIME-encrusted PGP message format on mailing lists, I think Jon Callas (author of the OpenPGP RFC) sums up the issues best: http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/msg03786.html
Re: [cdr] Re: Another Cypherpunks Investigation?
-- On 12 Sep 2003 at 17:46, J.A. Terranson wrote: The FBI has been learning to use international extradition over the last two years or so, and are actually getting to be quite good at it from what I hear. This would greatly surprise me, for government bureaucracies are notoriously incompetent at dealing with anyone they cannot have pistol whipped. If police bureaucracy X has busted someone for their own reasons, they may well hand him over to police bureacracy Y, but police bureaucracy X is not going to bust someone because police bureacracy Y wants him. If Professor rat had killed a cop, or seriously pissed off an important politician, the FBI might get its act together enough and swallow its pride sufficiently to manage a successful extradition, but for this sort of minor crap, nothing will happen. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG XmSLOgHTIX7igiupnUZhy6VfVZRNQh4hsbrOXBMG 4WS9OF42DQA+DowPFP7Z5UXhBISFqDUt0ssgL4sf3
Re: [Brinworld] UK firms tout camera phone blinding tech
Thomas Shaddack wrote: Safe Haven works by transmitting a signal in a localised environment such as a school, swimming pool, office facility or factory, which disables the camera functionality of devices in the nearby environment, the companies claim. If there will be a dedicated receiver circuit in the phone, operating on other than cellular frequencies, it will be fairly trivial to shield or jam or damage it. That's overkill. If this thing is ever actually deployed, it'll be a feature that _asks_ a Safe-Haven-equipped camera phone not to take pictures here, and if you happen to have that kind of phone, it won't take pictures there. The solution to this is not to carry a special jammer device if you want to take pictures where people don't want it - it's to carry a digital camera (and besides, those get much better pictures - the one gsm cameraphone I've tried had only a 352x288 CCD in it, in spite of not being a cheap phone.) Alternatively, if you want to transmit pictures there as well as taking them, buy a phone now that doesn't have that feature, or buy a PDA with a camera and some kind of wireless card. Aside from places that want to protect privacy or prudishness, one obvious market for Safe Haven is police agencies that want to be able to bash people without being on live video. On the other hand, they'd probably be just as happy with a cell phone jammer, which also prevents live voice transmission, and therefore not only blocks strategic remote recordkeepers, but also blocks tactical coordination by a crowd's instigators.
[cdr] Re: Another Cypherpunks Investigation?
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Tim May wrote: huge snip Were he in the U.S., I'd expect he'd face serious charges. Being that he's in Australia, as far as I know, I doubt extradition will occur. I disagree (although I would not have several years ago). The FBI has been learning to use international extradition over the last two years or so, and are actually getting to be quite good at it from what I hear. And even if he were prosecuted, by Oz or by the U.S., his various articles indicate mental disturbance could be a winning defense, with him ordered to get back on his Prozac or Zoloft or whatever. I would dearly love to see this idiot named an enemy combatant, if for no other reason that to laugh my ass off. To paraphrase both Tim *and* Mattd: Proffr Needs Killing - rlmao! The questions being asked of Jim may have to do with the Feds making the only prosecution they can make: that those passing on such threats via mailing lists are somehow guilty of some crime. This is just speculation on my part. If these are indeed the types of questions being asked, I would be very surprised. While *anonymous* remailers are very definitely on their radar, I cannot see any reason why a CDR node would be of interest (other than to establish the actual delivery chain). As someone who works closely with a bunch of these guys, I can state with authority that the FBI is technically, um, less than what the public thinks they are. A LOT less, at least technically. Nevertheless, the guys (and gals) they hire are generally a good cross-section of smart and educated middle classers, who are quite capable of learning what they need to know. I would guess that the operational questions were just that - attempts to understand the operation of the CDR system. If so, the case may hinge on issues of common carrier status. Highly unlikely - CCS is a concept they are all familiar with, and it quite obviously does not apply here. Also, I believe Congress passed a bill explicitly saying that sysops are not liable for the e-mail passing through their systems...Declan will likely have the latest on this. No, I think you are referring to the side effect of the Prodigy Decision. Either way though, you are correct that your average sysop enjoys some limited immunities here. Anyway, I'll bet good money this is the series of messages in question. Nothing else I have seen either rises to this level or seems to involve Pennsylvania in any significant way. You sure there were no SPAM travel guides making outrageously prosecutable claims that Pennsylvania was a Good Place To Visit? snicker --Tim May -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Every living thing dies alone. Donnie Darko
[cdr] Re: [discuss] TV ALERT: TechTV Music Wars (fwd)
Hope I am doing this right , first time poster Jim Choate wrote TechTV (Austin Digital Cable 239) is hosting a 2.5 hour special tonight at 7:00 on file sharing issues, RIAA legal activities, etc. They are replaying it tomorrow night at 5:00PM and again Monday at 12:00P and 5:00PM. I'll be taping it and will figure out the right way to share. What an aggravating show , most disapointing. But then I am not really surprised. On the one side ,you had persons from EMI , Mavrick , and Ira Dean from some country band , and on the other , you had John Perry Barlow from the EFF , as Well as Chuck D. The show was moderated by Leo Laporte ,and interviews done by Mickela Perria(sp). So , the usual suspects spouting their own opinions ,and party lines. The upshot is that the recording industry is still fighting a rear guard action , wishing to move the downloading over to a pay per download biz model. Declan O'Reilly
[cdr] Mongo the greatest shrink since Radovan Karadizc?
Were he in the U.S., I'd expect he'd face serious charges. Being that he's in Australia, as far as I know, I doubt extradition will occur. Um,I am facing charges with a 10 year penalty under the crimes act,I guess that's nothing these days over there in the Soviet Unions of America.Trial date is Oct 20. (Terrantson measl) I disagree (although I would not have several years ago). The FBI has been learning to use international extradition over the last two years or so, and are actually getting to be quite good at it from what I hear. (measl is a weasel) And even if he were prosecuted, by Oz or by the U.S., his various articles indicate mental disturbance could be a winning defense, with him ordered to get back on his Prozac or Zoloft or whatever. Ha! The FBI threatened to extradite me early in 2002 over the 'Pacifier letter's' They applied enough pressure for the Australian Federal Police to visit with my psychiatrist and together they cooked up a 'management plan' that Soviet and Cuban shrinks would be proud of. This is, as far as I know ,a unique attempt to drug a dissident from another country! I have a lot of FOI papers on this and posted a lot about it to the archive at the time. Although almost nobbled and committed I managed to turn this telling incident to some advantage by passing a review with flying colors! From plain vanilla schizophrenia to paranoid schizophrenia courtesy of the FBI,my pension is secured till the old age one kicks in.Thank you FBI! The cascading agencies involved in my original bust make it easier to defend myself actually although it's nice to always have a 'Plan B'. (search on antipsychiatry non CoS) I am available for extradition though the CIA has passed on some new laws to their puppets here that make 'offensive' material illegal,'cyberstalking is illegal and ASIO now can disappear people so why would they bother? I would still consider it a propaganda coup,just less likely asSeppo's are not really flavor of the month here at the minute. Thanks for the 'diagnosis' Dr Mong,thanks a hell of a lot. I thought major league assholes like you were opposed to Soviet style psychiatry? I don't need any help to defend myself from this cypherpunk circle of eunuchs. FREE JIM BELL!
Re: What's up with the Cypherpunks archive?
On Friday 12 September 2003 09:36, Jim Choate wrote: Is it really so that there are no up to date archives? Venona seems to have stopped a while back. http://archives.abditum.com/cypherpunks/ _But_ my server has been very unreliable lately. I'm planning on moving the archives to a different box soon, maybe this weekend. -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all! -- Rep. Henry Waxman
[cdr] Measl the Weasel - for the record
Though described by some as 'humourless' we can now see clearly what a bundle of laughs our friend JA Terranson is... would dearly love to see this idiot named an enemy combatant, if for no other reason that to laugh my ass off. To paraphrase both Tim *and* Mattd: Proffr Needs Killing - rlmao! What really cracks me up is that he still wont pledge any cash.This guy was ahead of his time though, way back before jya disgraced himself by acting as Mongo's echo chamber.The burn off of 20 million,etc Terranson was bending over in the showers for Tim with his gas them comment.Check the archives.To sum up a cheap plastic imitation Mongo wannabee who never was.Two of my countrymen have already been named EC's and spent over two years at Xray - For the record.
Re: Fatherland Security agents above the law?
The US government, US media, and the American populace seemed to have created a bizarre little symbiosis for themselves. It now goes like this: An incident occurs, real or could be real, really soon, manufactured by the media. Two people on 34th and 8th indicate on newscamera that they are scared and don't feel secure. Media reports on how people are not secure. Government leaders see media report on how people are scared and perform security-enhancing activites, including overseas. Overeseas, or at home, an incident occurs... And so on. Soon I'll install a security camera in th' crapper to make sure no terrorists get me while I'm on the can. -TD From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Gutmann) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fatherland Security agents above the law? Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:10:24 +1200 Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Fatherland Security troops are publicly embaressed and showing their brown shirts. Well, I'm not convinced you guys have detected the right intended message here. Basically, the real message may be: it's impossible to protect Americans through local policies alone. I thought it was The news media will do anything for a story, even if they have to manufacture it themselves. Given that the US is currently obsessed with terrorism, creating a sensationalist story related to it is a sure-fire winner, even if the more accurate wording of ABC ships expensive yacht ballast to US would get less attention. (Come to think of it, I'm sure I could raise at least a moderate stink over here by letting it slip that some of the America's Cup yachts that were here earlier in the year may have had (shock, horror!) dangerous radioactive uranium in their keels, in violation of the government's anti-nuclear stance). Peter. _ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general
Re: Fatherland Security agents above the law?
ABC could have just as easily shipped an empty container from New York to Newark and claimed that government security failed. To be a true test: ABC should have involved some true al Qaeda operatives in order to see if US Security personnel would become aware of the shipment through intelligence efforts. or Shipped it using a forged From: address of an organization remotely linked with al Qaeda. Of course then the FBI would have had something to REALLY visit with ABC about... Another sheeple scare tatic by the media. -- Neil Johnson http://www.njohnsn.com PGP key available on request.
Re: Another Cypherpunks Investigation?
Tim writes: My comment is that this Professor Rat, whose posts I have not seen for as long as lne.com has been my feed, is probably in some real difficulty. His posts are very direct threats, not veiled in any of the vague, political politicians ought to be given a fair trial and then hanged or even the I hope Washington is nuked sorts. Professor Rat goes to his own folder in my Procmail script. I occasionally skim it, but mostly I just delete it when it expands to many megabytes. I hope this isn't going to be another one of those cases where some federal judge reads list messages completely out of context, and concludes that some plot is afoot to blow up the federal government. Perhaps Professor Rat is a federal agent hoping to bait some list member into publicly cheering when he criticizes high-ranking public officials. Or perhaps Professor Rat just made the mistake of playing Paintball on the weekends while subscribed to the Cypherpunks list. (One rule of thumb I use is to never, ever use actual names of burrowcrats. Except for a few at the top, I don't even make any effort to remember the names. It's hard to be charged with making a direct, credible threat when no specific person is either named or alluded to.) Allusions work, like the coke-snorting C student who drove his car drunk into somebody's hedge. I wouldn't necessarily leap to the conclusion Professor Rat lives in Australia. Perhaps he just has has a shell there. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law
