Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

2003-12-09 Thread James A. Donald
-- Tim May: And, as many have noted, very few of the kids today are libertarians (either small L or large L). James A. Donald: When you were a teenager, everyone thought that Ho Chi Minh was the greatest, had a picture of Che Guevera on their wall, and thought the Soviet Union

Re: Got.net and its narcing out of its customers

2003-12-09 Thread Michael Shields
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Searching GG on don frederickson got tim is maybe more reliable than pasting this URL. For long urls, compress with tinuyurl.com http://tinyurl.com/yc3s If you do that, you have to rely on both the Google URL not

Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

2003-12-09 Thread Freematt357
In a message dated 12/8/2003 8:27:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for writing for Reason, they haven't asked, and their editorial focus is increasingly statist. Cf. Cathy Young's quote at the bottom of this post. I disagree. I went to a Reason gathering in

Re: cypherpunks discussions

2003-12-09 Thread John Young
Nomen Nescio wrote: I find it strange that some people here so often wants to intimidate those that dares to ask some questions. Eric put it very well in his post about dicksizewar. Very true indeed. I find it very *l*a*m*e* to all the time tell people to RTFM when something comes up that

Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

2003-12-09 Thread Anonymous Sender
Here's one younger person who follows cypherpunks very closely. I do not post because I have nothing to contribute to the discussion. Someday, when I've learned enough to be useful, then I will contribute what I can. Tim's postings re:crypto are the most thought-out, insightful writings you

Re: cypherpunks discussions

2003-12-09 Thread Sarad AV
hi, Asking questions is part of learning. Unless one learns how is he expected to participate and make once in a while intelliget discussions? Give noobs some space and time to learn and over time they will contribute to the list. I think when I was a kid, it took me quite a few months to

Re: Marijuana once again legal in Ontario, Canada

2003-12-09 Thread Pete Capelli
Yeah - might want to hold off on that for now ... http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_PrintFriendlyc=Articlecid=1070925607028call_pageid=968332188492 -p - Original Message - From: Tim Meehan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

2003-12-09 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 04:27:38PM -0800, James A. Donald wrote: Everyone agrees that big corporations are oppressive, bureaucratic, inefficient, etc. No one more so than the management advisers to big corporations. I'm not sure I'd agree that big corporations are oppressive. How? I once

Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

2003-12-09 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 04:27:38PM -0800, James A. Donald wrote: the business as old fart pinko activists of today. And if the same is true of the libertarian party, well it has been walking dead for some considerable time, but its death does not reflect the health of libertarianism.

Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

2003-12-09 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 01:45:43PM -0800, Tim May wrote: You need to read my long, long essay in True Names, then. This is more widely available than anything I would waste my time doing for Body Peircing or Skate, even if I wanted to. As for writing for Reason, they haven't asked, and

Marijuana once again legal in Ontario, Canada

2003-12-09 Thread Tim Meehan
An unforeseen consequence of government incompetence. http://ontario.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=25324 TORONTO - Ontario Consumers for Safe Access to Recreational Cannabis is happy to inform consumers that, because of Health Canada's failure to implement constitutional Medical Marijuana

Re: cypherpunks discussions

2003-12-09 Thread Nomen Nescio
I find it strange that some people here so often wants to intimidate those that dares to ask some questions. Eric put it very well in his post about dicksizewar. Very true indeed. I find it very *l*a*m*e* to all the time tell people to RTFM when something comes up that happened to be have been

Re: Got.net and its narcing out of its customers

2003-12-09 Thread James A. Donald
On 8 Dec 2003 at 13:17, Tim May wrote: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=enlr=lang_enie=UTF-8oe=UTF -8safe=offthreadm=220820032357238678%25timcmay%40removethis.got.net rn um=1prev=/ groups%3Fq%3Dfrederickson%2Bgot%2Btim%26hl%3Den%26lr%3Dlang_en%26ie%3D UT F-8%26oe%3DUTF

Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

2003-12-09 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 7 Dec 2003 at 21:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: many here likely would not be happy if I called myself libertarian, because I feel that corporations are titanic forces unfriendly to the vast majority of human beings and unworthy of human liberty. Everyone agrees that big corporations

Re: Type III Anonymous message

2003-12-09 Thread Morlock Elloi
Does anyone have a reasonably complete cypherpunks archive available for FTP? Perhaps I could host them on my server and let Google index them. That might be useful. There are only two live ones. Someone knows more ? The second one is FTP-able:

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2003-12-09 Thread Tim May
On Dec 8, 2003, at 1:23 PM, Keith Ray wrote: who end It might help if you sent these requests to the corresponding administrivia/majordomo/etc. sits instead of to the list distributions. (But probably not.) --Tim May --Tim May That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize

Re: Got.net and its narcing out of its customers

2003-12-09 Thread Anatoly Vorobey
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 04:37:44AM +, Michael Shields wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Searching GG on don frederickson got tim is maybe more reliable than pasting this URL. For long urls, compress with tinuyurl.com

Re: Type III Anonymous message

2003-12-09 Thread Harmon Seaver
'92-'94 here: http://www.cybershamanix.com/punk.html with a link to the later stuff here: http://cypherpunks.venona.com/ On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 06:56:07PM -0800, Morlock Elloi wrote: Does anyone have a reasonably complete cypherpunks archive available for FTP? Perhaps I could host

Is Matel Stalinist?

2003-12-09 Thread Tyler Durden
Well, I wouldn't apply the word oppressive across the board to the cultures of big companies, but the fact is that modern American coporate culture more often than not imitates a top-down, 'statist' culture that is so universal we rarely recognize it. For instance, high-level strategic

Re: cypherpunks discussions

2003-12-09 Thread Tim May
On Dec 8, 2003, at 11:13 PM, Sarad AV wrote: hi, Asking questions is part of learning. Unless one learns how is he expected to participate and make once in a while intelliget discussions? 1. You never contribute anything that indicates you have actually learned. 2. Your questions, such as the

Re: Got.net and its narcing out of its customers

2003-12-09 Thread Duncan Frissell
On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Tim May wrote: It happened in one of the movies groups (rec.arts.current-movies), when the thread was on DVD copy protection and the (claimed) illegality of making DVDs of movies. I explained how I was cheerfully making an average of a DVD a day of my favorite current

(No Subject)

2003-12-09 Thread edo
Lne is on dialup? Wow. Anyhow, I'm a newbie who has been lurking a while. Privacy concerns and what intelligent people think about it is what got me on this list.With the USA becoming the world's most totalitarian state in disguise... The sheen on the illusion of liberty here will wear thin soon,

Strong Crypto is about the Burnoff of Useless Eaters

2003-12-09 Thread Tim May
On Dec 9, 2003, at 7:45 AM, Declan McCullagh wrote: On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 04:27:38PM -0800, James A. Donald wrote: Everyone agrees that big corporations are oppressive, bureaucratic, inefficient, etc. No one more so than the management advisers to big corporations. I'm not sure I'd agree that

Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

2003-12-09 Thread Tim May
On Dec 7, 2003, at 6:54 PM, Greg Newby wrote: On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 07:37:26PM -0800, John Young wrote: ... What I like about the ring-in-the-flesh crowd is their pleasure in grossing out the stodgers. Makes me wish I still had that knack instead of only the memories. Hey, John -- wear some of

Re: Got.net and its narcing out of its customers

2003-12-09 Thread Anatoly Vorobey
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 01:57:00PM -0500, Duncan Frissell wrote: Then one of them claimed he had arranged to have my account yanked, for violation of the DMCA. He claimed he had sent copies of my criminal admissions to Got.net, to the RIAA, to law enforcement (shudder!), and so on. I

Re: (No Subject)

2003-12-09 Thread Anatoly Vorobey
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 12:47:27AM +0100, edo wrote: With the USA becoming the world's most totalitarian state in disguise... That's a pretty silly thing to say. Sure you don't want to educate yourself on those other states in the world? As far as I'm concerned, true anonymity in finacial

Re: Got.net and its narcing out of its customers

2003-12-09 Thread Tim May
On Dec 9, 2003, at 12:07 PM, Anatoly Vorobey wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 01:57:00PM -0500, Duncan Frissell wrote: Then one of them claimed he had arranged to have my account yanked, for violation of the DMCA. He claimed he had sent copies of my criminal admissions to Got.net, to the RIAA, to

Re: Is Matel Stalinist?

2003-12-09 Thread Tim May
On Dec 9, 2003, at 9:39 AM, Tyler Durden wrote: Well, I wouldn't apply the word oppressive across the board to the cultures of big companies, but the fact is that modern American coporate culture more often than not imitates a top-down, 'statist' culture that is so universal we rarely

Speaking of Reason

2003-12-09 Thread Freematt357
Tim's whine (complaint) withstanding, I just got the January issue of Reason in the mail and of interest is Mike Godwin's interview of Bruce Sterling- Cybergreen: Bruce Sterling on media, design, fiction, and the future (p 42-50). It's worth a read. Regards, Matt-

Re: (No Subject)

2003-12-09 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 12:47:27AM +0100, edo wrote: As far as I'm concerned, true anonymity in finacial affairs (and secure communication channels) is the only real method open to peacefully combat the all seeing [etc.] We have anonymity in Web browsing (more or less, thanks to Lance co).

Re: cypherpunks discussions

2003-12-09 Thread Bill O'Hanlon
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 07:22:19AM -0800, Eric Murray wrote: I'm getting tired of running the list. As it is now it doesn't provide much value and I could use my time for something else. Could someone please set up another node? I'll send you all my scripts etc. But I won't maintain it

Re: Speaking of Reason

2003-12-09 Thread Tim May
On Dec 9, 2003, at 12:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim's whine (complaint) withstanding, I just got the January issue of Reason in the mail and of interest is Mike Godwin's interview of Bruce Sterling- Cybergreen: Bruce Sterling on media, design, fiction, and the future (p 42-50). It's

Re: Anti-globalization

2003-12-09 Thread Declan O'Reilly
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:18:37 +0200 Anatoly Vorobey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was a rhetorical question. In the old Soviet oligarchy, you would get into real trouble for publicly speaking against it. In today's corporate oligarchy, this is obviously not true. Therefore the comparison is

Re: Speaking of Reason

2003-12-09 Thread Tim May
On Dec 9, 2003, at 4:57 PM, Eric Murray wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 03:05:29PM -0800, Tim May wrote: Since Eric Murray has expressed distaste with my views I pretty much agree with your views, minus the racism and misogny. On days that the brilliant thoughtful Tim posts, I'm in awe. When Tim

Re: Speaking of Reason

2003-12-09 Thread Eric Murray
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 03:05:29PM -0800, Tim May wrote: Since Eric Murray has expressed distaste with my views I pretty much agree with your views, minus the racism and misogny. On days that the brilliant thoughtful Tim posts, I'm in awe. When Tim the asshole posts, I'm disgusted.

Re: Anti-globalization

2003-12-09 Thread Anatoly Vorobey
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 06:41:21PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: However, I don't see the strong support for Soviet or Maoist-style state control these days...these are vaguely romantic notions once in a while, but they don't have any deep

Re: Is Matel Stalinist?

2003-12-09 Thread Tyler Durden
Tim May wrote... This is silly, socialist nonsense. I know some of the book buyers at the Borders store in Santa Cruz (the very one that the anti-bigness lefties tried to ban from opening in Santa Cruz). Not only do they have a local authors section which is larger than the similar section at