RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minoritie s
At 10:31 AM 2/24/03 +, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: ... Now, I may have left my clue home, so feel free to explain *why* 100% capitalism (eg no state left, no other power) could never end up with power aggregation. I don't think you can *ever* prove a claim like that, since you're dealing with humans, who can be only very imperfectly modeled. There's no system that couldn't possibly fall into some horrible state, whether that's tyranny or chaos or lemming-like rush to an unwinnable war or ostrich-like refusal to prepare for clearly oncoming war. Systems of human decision makers are driven by the decisions made by those humans, and sometimes, they're a bunch of idiots. More centralized decision-making has the ugly property that a smaller set of decision-makers have to be idiots to run the whole society into a ditch. On the other hand, more centralized decision-making makes larger projects possible sometimes, especially ones involving big, long wars. -- Vincent Penquerc'h --John Kelsey, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minoritie s
Title: RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minoritie s Too much capitalism is as bad as too much communism. That's semantically equivalent to saying that too much economics is as bad as too much totalitarianism... Too much liberty is as bad as too much repression? Right. If you think capitalism is liberty, you have a problem. Capitalism would work as freedom catalyst only if it would not lead to the aggregation of power in some places. Once you have power, you use it. Pretending, like some did, that people with power would not use force once they reach the stage where they *can*, is disingenuous. And saying that this has then ceased to be capitalism misses the point: you end up in a society with centralized power, and which only differs from a state by the name. Which is why some capitalism is good, but too much is bad. I do concede that I'd prefer capitalism much better than communism though. My association of both on the same grounds was way overboard and triggered by this evil commie pinko nonsense. Now, I may have left my clue home, so feel free to explain *why* 100% capitalism (eg no state left, no other power) could never end up with power aggregation. -- Vincent Penquerc'h
Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minoritie s
-- James A. Donald Highly capitalist nations do not murder millions. On 21 Feb 2003 at 17:09, David Howe wrote: but their highly capitalist companies sometimes do. Don't be silly. You have been reading too much Lenin. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG qQotsl6wN3i4RMqlTN1JTdpA5gU7wC9mp4Gj2fVs 4WN+iLzobxHF9dI56LAcJhpMotMMgyrx983tvS7YA
Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minoritie s
at Friday, February 21, 2003 4:44 PM, James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: Highly capitalist nations do not murder millions. but their highly capitalist companies sometimes do. is this a meaningful distinction?
RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minoritie s
-- On 20 Feb 2003 at 16:09, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: Ah yeah, the good old front against communists. Some people haven't learned that political views aren't what makes one a bastard. Commies *must* be bad, you see ? Too much capitalism is as bad as too much communism. Highly capitalist nations do not murder millions. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG LS0PPszrbHPaadDyv9OpkI1d4Tym+mjxMyowVUMa 4dEsfuHBg8G0mXDn/U8FBak0jzB4WFSXGPt/n1Lt9
RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minoritie s
At 4:09 PM + on 2/20/03, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: Too much capitalism is as bad as too much communism. That's semantically equivalent to saying that too much economics is as bad as too much totalitarianism... Cheers, RAH Capitalism, being, of course, Marxist argot for economics... -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
