Re: [IP] more on more on E-mail intercept ruling - good grief!! (fwd from dave@farber.net)

2004-07-05 Thread Bill Stewart
At 10:50 AM 7/2/2004, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: Call me cynical (no... go ahead), but if VOIP is found to have no 4th Amendment protection, Congress would first have to agree that this *is* a problem before thay could fix it. While Peter Swire is a much better judge of court behavior than I am

Re: [IP] more on more on E-mail intercept ruling - good grief!! (fwd from dave@farber.net)

2004-07-03 Thread Tyler Durden
I dunno...as an ex-optical engineer/physicst, I'm sceptical about this whole scary tempest bullcrap. Even if it can be made to work fairly reliably, I suspect deploying it is extremely costly. In contrast, the main benefit of CALEA is that they can merely provision their copy of a circuit to go

[IP] more on more on E-mail intercept ruling - good grief!! (fwd from dave@farber.net)

2004-07-02 Thread Eugen Leitl
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Re: [IP] more on more on E-mail intercept ruling - good grief!! (fwd from dave@farber.net)

2004-07-02 Thread Sunder
On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: Call me cynical (no... go ahead), but if VOIP is found to have no 4th Amendment protection, Congress would first have to agree that this *is* a problem before thay could fix it. Given the recent track record of legislators vs. privacy, I'm not

Re: [IP] more on more on E-mail intercept ruling - good grief!! (fwd from dave@farber.net)

2004-07-02 Thread Sunder
The Tempest argument is a stretch, only because you're not actually recovering the information from the phosphor itself. But the Pandora argument is well taken. Actually there is optical tempest now that works by watching the flicker of a CRT. Point is actually even more moot since most

Re: [IP] more on more on E-mail intercept ruling - good grief!! (fwd from dave@farber.net)

2004-07-02 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
Sunder wrote: On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: Call me cynical (no... go ahead), but if VOIP is found to have no 4th Amendment protection, Congress would first have to agree that this *is* a problem before thay could fix it. Given the recent track record of legislators vs.

Re: [IP] more on more on E-mail intercept ruling - good grief!! (fwd from dave@farber.net)

2004-07-02 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
Eugen Leitl forwarded: The constitutional question is whether users have a reasonable expectation of privacy in VOIP phone calls. Since the 1960's, the Supreme Court has found a 4th Amendment protection for voice phone calls. Meanwhile, it has found no constitutional protection for stored