Re: I for one am glad that...

2003-03-19 Thread Thomas Shaddack
So-called terrorists hate not our freedom, but our meddling. This is no excuse for use of unconventional warfare against the US nor does it delegitimize the US's use of force to defend themselves. All men have the equipment for rape. Does it give all the women to shot dead any man they

Re: I for one am glad that...

2003-03-19 Thread Anonymous
Keith Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is no excuse for use of unconventional warfare against the US nor does it delegitimize the US's use of force to defend themselves. What a crock of shit. I sure hope that Saddam kept enough sarin to bring an excrutiatingly horrible death to all

Re: I for one am glad that...

2003-03-19 Thread Thomas Shaddack
A UN Security Council resolution authorizing any Member State to use all necessary means to uphold a previous Security Council resolution. Necessary means of one seem to be hostile aggression of nearly all others. As far as dragging the nation to war, 70% of the American people are

Re: I for one am glad that...

2003-03-19 Thread Keith Ray
Quoting Jamie Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 01:39:59PM -0600, Keith Ray wrote: The UN authorized force in resolution 678 to uphold current and future resolutions. The UN voted unanimously to declare Iraq in violation of previous UN resolutions in 1441. The UN

Re: CDR: Re: I for one am glad that...

2003-03-19 Thread Jamie Lawrence
On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 01:39:59PM -0600, Keith Ray wrote: The UN authorized force in resolution 678 to uphold current and future resolutions. The UN voted unanimously to declare Iraq in violation of previous UN resolutions in 1441. The UN weapons inspector's reports detailed many

Re: I for one am glad that...

2003-03-19 Thread Sunder
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Anonymous wrote: Keith Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is no excuse for use of unconventional warfare against the US nor does it delegitimize the US's use of force to defend themselves. What a crock of shit. I sure hope that Saddam kept enough sarin to

RE: I for one am glad that...

2003-03-19 Thread Vincent Penquerc'h
Force against Iraq is not pre-emptive since it is authorized by the UN Security Council resolutions 678 and 1441. North Korea does not have Interesting. So, if the UN gives Bush the right to attack Iraq, such an attack is no more preemptive ? Why would it be different from Bush giving the

Re: I for one am glad that...

2003-03-19 Thread Keith Ray
Quoting Thomas Shaddack [EMAIL PROTECTED]: They forgot to make corrections for the option when there is no agreement of the Security Council, maybe under the mistaken belief Bush won't play unfair. Sidestepping the new resolution in order to exploit a loophole in the previous one is an

Re: I for one am glad that...

2003-03-19 Thread David Howe
at Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:39 AM, Keith Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: Which resolution took away any Member State's authority to all necessary means to uphold resolution 690? I think the problem here is who gets to define what is necessary - the UN Security council thinks it is

Re: I for one am glad that...

2003-03-19 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 11:21:37AM -0600, Keith Ray wrote: Quoting Thomas Shaddack [EMAIL PROTECTED]: They forgot to make corrections for the option when there is no agreement of the Security Council, maybe under the mistaken belief Bush won't play unfair. Sidestepping the new resolution

Re: I for one am glad that...

2003-03-19 Thread Eric Cordian
Keith Ray wrote: When did the UN Security Council pass a resolution rescinding the use of force? Earlier resolutions only declared a cease-fire contingent on Iraq complying with all current and future resolutions. The behavior of the world community under US pressure is much like the behavior

Re: I for one am glad that...

2003-03-19 Thread jburnes
Roger that, Declan. But rarely does that kind of 'meddling' rise to retribution of the 9/11 kind. If you don't like America's funniest home videos you don't have to buy it. Especially if it offends your Islamic sensibilities (or more likely good taste). jim burnes On Tuesday, March 18, 2003,

Re: I for one am glad that...

2003-03-19 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 08:07:35AM -0800, Eric Cordian wrote: Foreign nationals do not hate our freedom. If the US traded with all, and avoided foreign entanglements, the lifestyle of Americans would be of little concern to our current enemies. So-called terrorists hate not our freedom, but

Re: I for one am glad that...

2003-03-19 Thread jburnes
reponse to this is that, when we supported him, he was not evil, and had not yet turned away from freedom into darkness. Likewise with the Taliban, Argentina, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and so on. -TD From: Keith Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: I for one am glad

Re: I for one am glad that...

2003-03-19 Thread jburnes
. Likewise with the Taliban, Argentina, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and so on. -TD From: Keith Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: I for one am glad that... Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:39:59 -0600 Quoting Eric Cordian [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The US is one of many nations. Since

Re: I for one am glad that...

2003-03-19 Thread Tyler Durden
The fact that the count was very close is not legal or constitutional grounds for a do over. In the wise words of a modern American sage, Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. -TD _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with

Re: I for one am glad that...

2003-03-18 Thread gabriel rosenkoetter
On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 01:39:59PM -0600, Keith Ray wrote: The UN authorized force in resolution 678 to uphold current and future resolutions. The UN voted unanimously to declare Iraq in violation of previous UN resolutions in 1441. The UN weapons inspector's reports detailed many omissions

Re: I for one am glad that...

2003-03-18 Thread Keith Ray
Quoting Eric Cordian [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The US is one of many nations. Since the inception of the United Nations, and International Law, a nation may go to war only if it is attacked or in iminent danger of being attacked by another nation. The US is a signatory of the UN charter, and is

Re: I for one am glad that...

2003-03-18 Thread Eric Cordian
Tyler Durden wrote: Our leader understands the dynamics of peace. As he said last night, we are a peaceful people, and he understands that in order to secure peace, we need to aggressively defend the cause of peace, throughout the globe, by any means necessary. The US is one of many

Re: I for one am glad that...

2003-03-18 Thread Tyler Durden
him, he was not evil, and had not yet turned away from freedom into darkness. Likewise with the Taliban, Argentina, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and so on. -TD From: Keith Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: I for one am glad that... Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:39:59 -0600

Re: I for one am glad that...

2003-03-18 Thread Tyler Durden
One can well imagine the chaos that would ensue if every nation that perceived some other nation as a potential future threat ran around waging pre-emptive strikes and wars of aggression. Precisely. This is why the United States should be the lone guardian of peace and freedom throughout the