From: ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Trei, Peter wrote:
>> Bill Stewart wrote:
>>> Michael Kalus wrote:
>>Certain symbols (e.g. Swastika) are forbidden as well.
>>>As Tim pointed out, the Swastika symbol had long use before the
>>>Nazis picked it up.
>[...]
>> Vaguely related
>>[... swa
Trei, Peter wrote:
Bill Stewart wrote:
Michael Kalus wrote:
Certain symbols (e.g. Swastika) are forbidden as well.
As Tim pointed out, the Swastika symbol had long use before the
Nazis picked it up.
[...]
Vaguely related
I used to live in upper Manhattan. One of the subway stops I
used was t
At 08:19 PM 12/31/03 -0500, John Kelsey wrote:
>At 05:56 PM 12/30/03 -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
>>If I were a neocon asshole, I would. Instead, I regard liberation as
a
>>local task, and interfering with sovereignty as the initiation of
force,
>>ie an act of war.
>
>Well, clearly bombing an
At 05:19 PM 12/31/2003, John Kelsey wrote:
>
> In the most morally neutral case, this is like one criminal gang attacking
> another. If the Sopprano family invades the Bozini family's turf, takes
> over their protection rackets, and hunts down their godfather, it could be
> messy, and it reall
At 05:56 PM 12/30/03 -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
At 07:48 PM 12/26/03 -0500, Michael Kalus wrote:
>Then I guess you better start liberating the world.
If I were a neocon asshole, I would. Instead, I regard liberation as a
local task, and interfering with sovereignty as the initiation of forc
Major Variola (ret) wrote:
TV stations which exploit the aetherial commons are a tricky case.
The government licensors have to be very careful not to induce
censorship.
Yet, the FCC has guidelines what can and cannot be aired. Thus no free
speech as you claim it to be.
Michael
At 10:52 AM 12/27/03 -0500, Michael Kalus wrote:
>> So a question for you: If I want to write a book on the history of
the
>> swastika, or teach about the holocuast in Germany, do I need a
license
>> or something? (And let's just assume I have a "politically correct"
>> view.)
>>
>>
>To my understa
--
On 30 Dec 2003 at 17:56, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
> If I were a neocon asshole, I would. Instead, I regard
> liberation as a local task, and interfering with sovereignty
> as the initiation of force,
Interfering with sovereignty is not an initiation of force. The
ruler has no property
At 07:48 PM 12/26/03 -0500, Michael Kalus wrote:
>Then I guess you better start liberating the world.
If I were a neocon asshole, I would. Instead, I regard liberation as a
local task, and interfering with sovereignty as the initiation of force,
ie an act of war.
>Nice... So in the US you have
Tyler Durden wrote:
> Yes...because we Americans have only had one government, we tend to equate
> "legality" with morality, and then assume the discussion is over. No doubt
> that causes us to look at laws "over there" as being far more important than
> they really are...at least some times.
;d note that some of the most outspoken "Anti semites" in this category
happen to be Jewish: Bobby Fisher, Noam Chomsky, Michael Albert and others.
From: Eric Cordian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Singers jailed for lyrics
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:1
Bill Stewart wrote:
>At 07:48 PM 12/26/2003 -0500, Michael Kalus wrote:
>> >> Certain symbols (e.g. Swastika) are forbidden as well.
>> > Are there exceptions for Buddhists and Amerinds? Moron.
>>All symbols that are related to Nazism. One of the reasons
>>(if not the reason) why they banned "Wo
On Sun, Dec 28, 2003 at 07:16:47PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
> However, I doubt I'll go to jail...now. If Bush gets re-elected, then who
> knows.
For all the violations of the Constitution that the Bush administration
has countenanced, it has not been nearly as repressive of political opinions
a
MK wrote...
I find it always interesting how people (especially from the US) seem
to have prefabricated ideas about how other countries are, but are at
the same time so much in denial about their own society that it is just
frightening.
Well, that's true. It's a point I've made on Cypherpunks many
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On 27-Dec-03, at 10:31 PM, Tyler Durden wrote:
> "As long as truth is no defense against "hate speech," and "hate
> speech" includes
> things which clearly don't involve anyone hating anyone else, "hate
> speech" is simply
> a code phrase for suppre
At 07:48 PM 12/26/2003 -0500, Michael Kalus wrote:
>> Certain symbols (e.g. Swastika) are forbidden as well.
> Are there exceptions for Buddhists and Amerinds? Moron.
All symbols that are related to Nazism. One of the reasons
(if not the reason) why they banned "Wolfenstein 3D".
As Tim pointed ou
On Fri, 26 Dec 2003, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
> If so, then Germany should have the balls to discover freedom --adopt
> the US Constitution for instance. The US can't counter such a move.
I'm sure it would at least as ineffective as the same Constitution is right
here in the good ole USA... :-
On Dec 27, 2003, at 6:53 AM, Tyler Durden wrote:
"All symbols that are related to Nazism. One of the reasons (if not the
reason) why they banned "Wolfenstein 3D"."
Interesting. So even if the swatsika is protrayed as a bad thing (to
the point of practically being a bullseye) it's banned.
So...ca
On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 10:52:57AM -0500, Michael Kalus wrote:
> If it is a historical drama in which the Symbols appear this seems to
> be permissible as well. If you put one on your jacket though and walk
> around with it in the streets they can get you.
I guess "The Producers" will never mak
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On 27-Dec-03, at 9:53 AM, Tyler Durden wrote:
> "All symbols that are related to Nazism. One of the reasons (if not the
> reason) why they banned "Wolfenstein 3D"."
>
> Interesting. So even if the swatsika is protrayed as a bad thing (to
> the point
On Dec 26, 2003, at 4:48 PM, Michael Kalus wrote:
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The German law clearly defines what is hate speech. It is not an easy
task as you can see in a six month trial.
Germany, or any State that restricts words or thought, needs a regime
change
with extrem
ense or
something? (And let's just assume I have a "politically correct" view.)
-TD
From: Michael Kalus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Major Variola (ret)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Singers ja
At 02:52 PM 12/26/03 -0500, Michael Kalus wrote:
>On 26-Dec-03, at 12:37 PM, Eric Cordian wrote:
>
>>> A Berlin criminal court sentenced 38-year-old Michael Regener to 40
>>> months in prison after a six-month trial that tested the boundaries
of
>>> free expression in a nation with strict laws agai
On Dec 27, 2003, at 7:52 AM, Michael Kalus wrote:
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On 27-Dec-03, at 9:53 AM, Tyler Durden wrote:
"All symbols that are related to Nazism. One of the reasons (if not
the
reason) why they banned "Wolfenstein 3D"."
Interesting. So even if the swatsika i
On Dec 27, 2003, at 10:40 AM, Michael Kalus wrote:
That you have extremists who will use the past as the main argument for
their reasoning can be clearly seen by your own views.
There is no difference between people like you and jews (or any other
extreme zealot) who tries to push his or her own ag
Michael writes:
> Being from Germany I would like to detest that statement.
> The German law clearly defines what is hate speech. It is not an easy
> task as you can see in a six month trial.
It is the outcome of the trial which condemns Germany. THe length of the
trial is an unimportant data
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>> The German law clearly defines what is hate speech. It is not an easy
>> task as you can see in a six month trial.
>
> Germany, or any State that restricts words or thought, needs a regime
> change
> with extreme prejudice.
>
Then I guess you be
ng to boil down to some local enforcement shitheel
taking it upon himself to be the arbiter of issues he'll have no ability to
comprehend.
-TD
From: Eric Cordian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Singers jailed for lyrics
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:51:38 -080
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On 26-Dec-03, at 12:37 PM, Eric Cordian wrote:
>> A Berlin criminal court sentenced 38-year-old Michael Regener to 40
>> months in prison after a six-month trial that tested the boundaries of
>> free expression in a nation with strict laws against hat
> A Berlin criminal court sentenced 38-year-old Michael Regener to 40
> months in prison after a six-month trial that tested the boundaries of
> free expression in a nation with strict laws against hate speech.
Of course, that should be "a nation with strict laws against free speech."
Crying "Hat
BERLIN In the first case of its kind in Germany, a right-wing rock
band was deemed a criminal organization and its lead singer was
sentenced Monday to more than three years in prison for lyrics that
venerate Nazism and incite racial hatred.
A Berlin criminal court sentenced 38-year-old Michael R
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