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[I wonder if our more unpopular Federal agencies house their mainframes in facilities that are shielded from this sort of attack] Simple RF Weapon Can Fry PC Circuits Ê Scientists show device that could make the electromagnetic spectrum the terrorist weapon of choice. Reggie Beehner, Medill News Service Wednesday, May 02, 2001 ABERDEEN PROVING GROUND, MARYLAND -- A weapon built out of parts from any electronics store can deliver radio frequency radiation that can burn out electronic circuits within seconds, according to a recent demonstration by scientists here. Many government officials fear terrorists could use the simple device to disrupt computer networks or paralyze electronic equipment. Because of its small size, the weapon could be stowed in a van or briefcase and used to wreak havoc on government offices, hospitals, airports, or other targets. The device, assembled with commonly available components, delivers quick, powerful bursts of RF radiation. Just about any unprotected electronic equipment is at risk, including PCs, home security systems, police scanners, and medical and air-traffic control equipment. Businesses can protect their computer networks by using metal product enclosures on hardware and radio frequency filter lines on power lines, says Randy Bernard, vice president of Schriner Engineering, which built the device for a demonstration to government officials. Also, Bernard urges businesses to keep an offsite data storage area to back up materials that could not be protected. For the guy at home in front of his computer, I'd say don't worry about this, Bernard says. But if your business has something to lose, then you might want to pay attention. It may not be an immediate threat, but it's something you should keep in mind. But the demonstration is a wake-up call for government and others in technology industries, Bernard notes. Equipment Crashes, Croaks Our whole nation is vulnerable, says David Schriner, a weapons specialist and engineer who codesigned the radio frequency device. We dance along with all this high technology, and we're very dependent on it. But if it breaks, where will we be? Though less dramatic than those officials envisioned, the RF weapon demonstrated did inflict noticeable damage on an assortment of electronic equipment. Computer screens flickered and froze, medical equipment died, and a home security system lost all power. Even a camera, purchased earlier in the week to videotape the demonstration, came too close to the radiation pulses and was added to the list of casualties. When building the RF device, the scientists stuck to using backyard means to see how easily it could be done. They bought all the components from retail stores or online, finding some on eBay. Total cost for the parts ran about $10,000. There's nothing classified, Schriner says. This is all homegrown stuff, everyday tools and parts. And though we're a bright group, we're certainly not unique. Others, including terrorist groups, could do this very easily. Study Continues Whether such a device could be used effectively by terrorists is unclear, and scientists plan to conduct tests this summer to answer that question. There's a lot of innuendo that [terrorist groups] have used this, Schriner says. Is it true? I don't know. Sometimes when you start researching this you find out it's a lot of crock. But the question still remains. That question was enough to convince the Defense Department to spend $4 million on the project and attract the attention of the House Armed Services Committee's Special Oversight Panel on Terrorism. One of the lessons of warfare is the need to keep ahead of the curve of technology, says Rep. Jim Saxton, R-New Jersey, who chairs the terrorism panel. Saxton was among a handful of congressional leaders who turned out to witness the 45-minute demonstration at a U.S. Army testing ground. Since the dawn of the Cold War, the government has been careful to protect the nation's military computers and infrastructure, officials say. But high costs and cumbersome materials have left those precautions largely ignored in the private sector, leaving many businesses vulnerable.
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martha vazquez summons
Subject: Judge Martha Vazquez summons, jury DEMAND, and final complaint Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:03:07 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.nmcourt.fed.us/dcdocs/judges/vazquez.html Be careful in the future what you sign! __ SECOND JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT COUNTY OF BERNAO STATE OF NEW MEXICO CASE NUMBER Arthur R Morales William H Payne v Theodore C. Baca Norman C. Bay Phyllis A. Dow Raymond Hamilton Rodey, Dickason, Sloan , Akin Robb PA Martha Vazquez Complaint for Complaint for Relief from HARASSMENT SUMMONS TO: Martha Vazquez 100 S. Federal Place Santa Fe, New Mexico 87501 Defendant(s). Greeting: You are hereby directed to serve a pleading or motion in response to the Complaint within 30 days after service of the Summons and file the same, all as provided by law. You are notified that, unless you so serve and file a responsive pleading or motion, the Plaintiff(s) will apply to the court for the relief demanded to the Complaint. Pro Se Plaintiffs: Arthur R Morales William H Payne 1024 Los Arboles NW 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 Albuquerque, NM 98111 505 3451381 505 292 7037 WITNESS the Honorable _ District Judge of said Court of the State of New Mexico and the Seal of the District Court of said County, this__ day of 20__ BENNINA ARMIJO-SISNEROS CLERK OF THE DISTRICT COURT By: NOTE: This summons does not require you to see, telephone or write to the District Judge of the court at this time. It does require you or your attorney to file your legal defense to the case in writing with the Clerk of the Distinct Court within 30 days after the summons is legally served on you. If you do not do this, the party suing may get a judgment by default against you. Revised 1/1/83 CY 4.45- STATE OF NEW MEXICO ) ) ss. COUNTY OF_) RETURN FOR COMPLETION BY SHERIFF OR DEPUTY: I certify that I served the within Summons in said County on the day of ___ ,20_, by delivering a copy thereof, with copy of Complaint attached. in the following manner: RETURN FOR COMPLETION BY OTHER PERSON MAKING SERVICE: I, being duly sworn, on oath. say that I ant over the age of 18 years and not a parry to this lawsuit. and that I served the within Summons in said County on the ___ day of _ by delivering a copy thereof with copy of Complaint attached, in the following manner: (check one box and fill in appropriate blanks) _ To Defendant _(used when Defendant receives copy of Summons is read Summons or Complaint or refuses to receive Summons or hear reading.) To _ a person over the age of 15 years and residing at the usual place of abode of Defendant who at the time of such service was absent therefrom. _ By posting a copy of the Summons and Complaint in the most public part of the premises of Defendant __, (used if no person found at dwelling house or usual place of abode. _ To ___, agent authorized to an receive service of process for Defendant _ _ To _, (parent) (guardian) of Defendant (used when Defendant is a minor or an incapacitated person.) To _ ___ name of persontitle of person authorized to receive service (used when Defendant is a corporation or association subject to suit under a common name, a land grant board of trustees. the State of New Mexico or any political subdivision.) Fees: Signature of Private Citizen Making Service SHERIFF OF _ Subscribed and sworn before me this _ COUNTY State of New Mexico day of ,20___ _ Sheriff Notary or Other Officer Authorized to Administer Oaths By: DEPUTY _ SECOND JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT COUNTY OF BERNALILLO STATE OF NEW MEXICO CASE NUMBER Arthur R Morales William H Payne Plaintiffs v Theodore C. Baca Norman C. Bay Phyllis A. Dow Raymond Hamilton
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Re: NTT/Mitsubishi release Camilla, ESIGN, EPOC
At 10:35 PM 4/30/01 -0400, Rich Salz wrote: NTT and Mitsubishi will be granting royalty free licenses for strict implementations of Camilla (128bit block cipher), The best part about Camilla is that it demonstrates that the Japs have a sense of humor, about the british, at least.
Re: layered deception
At 10:32 PM 4/28/01 -0700, Steve Schear wrote: At 11:46 PM 4/28/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: I rather like the idea of encrypting the logs on the fly and shipping them offshore. Your offshore partner will be instructed to turn over the logs only if you are not asking for them under duress. (A reasonable protocol can probably be worked out. Would a court order instruct you to lie? If so, would it be valid?) One of the simplest and most effective ways to accomplish this is to require the legally responsible corporate person to physically show up at the offshore location as proof of a lack of duress. A location which does not have extradition contracts with the homeland...
Re: layered deception
Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A profound new insight. We still await some real insights from a real graduate student (!), beyond her saying that we don't know as much as she says she knows. BTW, I have removed the additional addresses (David Honig [EMAIL PROTECTED], Declan@Well. Com [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED]). When a list is replied to, there is no need to carry along the baggage of everyone who has added to a thread. --Tim May Why bother to continue the thread when you have nothing of value to add? Regards, Matt- ** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, 2175 Bayfield Drive, Columbus, OH 43229 (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **
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Re: layered deception
At 11:46 PM 4/28/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: I rather like the idea of encrypting the logs on the fly and shipping them offshore. Your offshore partner will be instructed to turn over the logs only if you are not asking for them under duress. (A reasonable protocol can probably be worked out. Would a court order instruct you to lie? If so, would it be valid?) One of the simplest and most effective ways to accomplish this is to require the legally responsible corporate person to physically show up at the offshore location as proof of a lack of duress. steve
RE: layered deception
there is no requirement for maintaining log files (unless specifically directed otherwise.) log files contain either marketing value or sysadmin value -- in both cases specific ip addr info isn't necessary to maintain that value (except in case of anomalous activity). one could collect info without identifying information. same principle applies to e-mail. once mail is deleted from a pop or imap or whatever server, there is no requirement to keep the backup tapes of e-mail. in fact the larger isps no longer keep deleted e-mail...they maintain only e-mail headers for up to six months. smaller isps should follow in these steps (though i'd argue you shouldn't even keep header info.) don't save it if you don't really truly need it. phillip -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Declan McCullagh Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 11:46 PM To: Anonymous Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: layered deception I rather like the idea of encrypting the logs on the fly and shipping them offshore. Your offshore partner will be instructed to turn over the logs only if you are not asking for them under duress. (A reasonable protocol can probably be worked out. Would a court order instruct you to lie? If so, would it be valid?) -Declan On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 03:45:38PM -0600, Anonymous wrote: In view of the recent gimme-the-logs-or-we-fuck-you activities of armed men (http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=36912group=webcast , http://seattle.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=3013 ) what would be the legal consequence of the following: 1. A virus is designed that spreads itself in some standard way and that deletes log files of popular http server implementations. 2. Files are deleted when virus receives a packet on a known port. 3. Detection of virus requires more than average admin can do. So when logs are requested an outside 3rd party can maliciously remove logs. The first several ISPs to contract this virus will probably get fucked, but by then it should become obvious that the ISP cannot effectively control the virus.
Re: layered deception
I rather like the idea of encrypting the logs on the fly and shipping them offshore. Your offshore partner will be instructed to turn over the logs only if you are not asking for them under duress. (A reasonable protocol can probably be worked out. Would a court order instruct you to lie? If so, would it be valid?) -Declan On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 03:45:38PM -0600, Anonymous wrote: In view of the recent gimme-the-logs-or-we-fuck-you activities of armed men (http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=36912group=webcast , http://seattle.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=3013 ) what would be the legal consequence of the following: 1. A virus is designed that spreads itself in some standard way and that deletes log files of popular http server implementations. 2. Files are deleted when virus receives a packet on a known port. 3. Detection of virus requires more than average admin can do. So when logs are requested an outside 3rd party can maliciously remove logs. The first several ISPs to contract this virus will probably get fucked, but by then it should become obvious that the ISP cannot effectively control the virus.
Ashcroft's Wants A Billion More than Reno...
[Note from Matthew Gaylor: Here is a prime example of the Republican vision of doing more with less FY 2002 budget includes $1.057 billion in program increases. That's a billion more than Janet Reno spent. What total and complete government reduction frauds the Republicans are. Also note that Ashcroft wants to add 1,500 School Resource Officers to Clinton's 100,000 Cops program. What these 1500 federal funded officers are going to do in our schools, will make an even better case for home schooling. I'm sure the stupid ass religious right can be happy now that they've added a new federally funded police force bureaucracy to local schools. I'll know who to blame especially after they fought tooth and nail for Ashcroft's nomination. Please note- My stupid ass comment is not directed at religion, but is directed at those who supported Ashcroft. And to top it off he wants extra cash to break crypto, presumably so we can't bitch about their nefarious anti-liberty activities privately.] STATEMENT OF JOHN ASHCROFT BEFORE THE UNITED STATES SENATE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS SUBCOMMITTEE ON COMMERCE, JUSTICE, AND STATE, THE JUDICIARY AND RELATED AGENCIES April 26, 2001 Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee: It is both an honor and a pleasure to appear before you this morning to present President Bush's first budget request for the Department of Justice. For Fiscal Year 2002, the President's budget seeks $24.65 billion for the Department of Justice, including $20.94 billion in discretionary spending authority and $3.71 billion in mandatory resources, such as fees. This budget seeks to fulfill our basic federal law enforcement responsibilities, address emerging technology and critical infrastructure needs, and focus on the Administration's priorities of reducing gun crime, combating drug use, guaranteeing the rights of all Americans, and empowering communities in their continued fight against crime. While the fiscal year 2002 budget request maintains the same overall amount of discretionary spending authority as was provided by this Subcommittee in FY 2001, we have managed to enhance a number of key areas. The budget includes a general shift in spending from state and local law enforcement in order to support our core federal law enforcement mission, and better target assistance to areas of greatest need, such as crime in our schools, crimes committed with firearms, and violence against women. The Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) program is continued at a somewhat reduced level, with resources targeted for school safety, law enforcement technology needs, and reducing DNA backlogs. The COPS request does not disrupt or affect the commitments made to put 100,000 more police on the streets and, in fact, goes further by proposing to hire up to an additional 1,500 School Resource Officers. Basic Law Enforcement The Core Federal Mission The budget I present to you today first addresses the basic law enforcement responsibilities of the Department of Justice. The mission of the Department is clear: to enforce the law and defend the interests of the United States according to the law; to provide leadership in preventing and controlling crime; to seek just punishment for those guilty of unlawful behavior; to administer and enforce the nation's immigration laws fairly and effectively; and to ensure fair and impartial administration of justice for all Americans. The FY 2002 budget includes $1.057 billion in program increases to enable the Department to carry out its mission, particularly in the areas of detention and incarceration, antiterrorism, cybercrime, and counterintelligence. Increased Detention and Incarceration Capacity The number of inmates in the Federal Prison System has more than doubled since 1990 as a result of tougher sentencing guidelines, mandatory minimum sentences, the abolition of parole, and increased federal law enforcement efforts. This surge in the prison population continually tests the limits of our detention and incarceration capacity. The FY 2002 budget for the Department of Justice includes a $949.5 million increase in funding to support the federal responsibility of detaining individuals awaiting trial or sentencing in federal court, and incarcerating inmates who have been sentenced to prison for federal crimes. The rapid growth in the federal inmate population is expected to continue. Despite the investment of nearly $5 billion for prison construction over the past decade, the prison system is
RE: layered deception
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: Right, in most circumstances you're not required to keep logs. But there are some cases, albeit a fairly narrow subset, in which you'd want to have log files that are available to you but not an adversary using legal process. -Declan If you need your logs for technical debugging, do your technical debugging diligently and daily, and erase them immediately after. Until the moment they are erased, they are vulnerable to theft, whether the thief has a subpeona or not. If you want to preserve relevant information from your logfiles, just lift out the relevant information and nothing else. Mung it into a completely different form (so it's not a logfile anymore), encrypt it, and save it to a private directory. With any luck, a regular data thief won't find it. Short of making a bad mistake, even if they do find it they won't be able to decrypt. If you're forced to guide a thief with a subpeona to it, there's no guarantee that the info *you* found relevant is the same info they want and also the precedent on whether you can be jailed for refusing to reveal a key you keep in your head is fuzzy at best. Bear
Re: Choate - Enough is Enough
Will someone at lne.com finally decide that he qualifies as spam and start filtering? That simple act would improve the signal to noise ratio dramatically. Internet is a self-service establishment. Full-service has too much undesirable luggage attached to it. I haven't seen choatian posts for months, because I'm filtering him out. The only time it fails is when he changes the originating address, which is infrequent. So stop whining and do it yourself. Hushmail won't let you do it ? Tough shit. You need a better service.
RE: layered deception
Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, in most circumstances you're not required to keep logs. But there are some cases, albeit a fairly narrow subset, in which you'd want to have log files that are available to you but not an adversary using legal process. -Declan Which would/could get you charged with obstruction of justice/contempt/conspiracy etc, etc. You can protect your log files safely enough by not having any- But protecting your real ASSets is a bit more difficult. Regards, Matt- ** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, 2175 Bayfield Drive, Columbus, OH 43229 (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **
RE: layered deception
Right, in most circumstances you're not required to keep logs. But there are some cases, albeit a fairly narrow subset, in which you'd want to have log files that are available to you but not an adversary using legal process. -Declan At 01:15 AM 4/29/01 -0400, Phillip H. Zakas wrote: there is no requirement for maintaining log files (unless specifically directed otherwise.) log files contain either marketing value or sysadmin value -- in both cases specific ip addr info isn't necessary to maintain that value (except in case of anomalous activity). one could collect info without identifying information. same principle applies to e-mail. once mail is deleted from a pop or imap or whatever server, there is no requirement to keep the backup tapes of e-mail. in fact the larger isps no longer keep deleted e-mail...they maintain only e-mail headers for up to six months. smaller isps should follow in these steps (though i'd argue you shouldn't even keep header info.) don't save it if you don't really truly need it. phillip -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Declan McCullagh Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 11:46 PM To: Anonymous Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: layered deception I rather like the idea of encrypting the logs on the fly and shipping them offshore. Your offshore partner will be instructed to turn over the logs only if you are not asking for them under duress. (A reasonable protocol can probably be worked out. Would a court order instruct you to lie? If so, would it be valid?) -Declan On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 03:45:38PM -0600, Anonymous wrote: In view of the recent gimme-the-logs-or-we-fuck-you activities of armed men (http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=36912group=webcast , http://seattle.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=3013 ) what would be the legal consequence of the following: 1. A virus is designed that spreads itself in some standard way and that deletes log files of popular http server implementations. 2. Files are deleted when virus receives a packet on a known port. 3. Detection of virus requires more than average admin can do. So when logs are requested an outside 3rd party can maliciously remove logs. The first several ISPs to contract this virus will probably get fucked, but by then it should become obvious that the ISP cannot effectively control the virus.
RE: layered deception
I think Matt is a bit too quick to conclude a court will charge the operator with contempt and that the contempt charge will stick on appeal. Obviously judges have a lot of discretion, but it doesn't seem to me like the question is such a clear one if a system is set up in the proper cypherpunkish manner. -Declan At 01:04 PM 4/29/01 -0400, Matthew Gaylor wrote: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, in most circumstances you're not required to keep logs. But there are some cases, albeit a fairly narrow subset, in which you'd want to have log files that are available to you but not an adversary using legal process. -Declan Which would/could get you charged with obstruction of justice/contempt/conspiracy etc, etc. You can protect your log files safely enough by not having any- But protecting your real ASSets is a bit more difficult. Regards, Matt- ** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, 2175 Bayfield Drive, Columbus, OH 43229 (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **
RE: layered deception
At 01:04 PM 4/29/2001 -0400, Matthew Gaylor wrote: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, in most circumstances you're not required to keep logs. But there are some cases, albeit a fairly narrow subset, in which you'd want to have log files that are available to you but not an adversary using legal process. -Declan Which would/could get you charged with obstruction of justice/contempt/conspiracy etc, etc. You can protect your log files safely enough by not having any- But protecting your real ASSets is a bit more difficult. Almost anything the court does not like can get you so charged. So what else is new? Still, if the information or principle is sufficiently important you will eventually be released (if you are even held). steve
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Sellin stuff without knowin what your sellin
From Eurocrypt: Abstract. We consider the question of protecting the privacy of customers buying digital goods. More specifically, our goal is to allow a buyer to purchase digital goods from a vendor without letting the vendor learn what, and to the extent possible also when and how much, it is buying. We propose solutions which allow the buyer, after making an initial deposit, to engage in an unlimited number of priced oblivious-transfer protocols, satisfying the following requirements: As long as the buyer's balance contains sufficient funds, it will successfully retrieve the selected item and its balance will be debited by the item's price. However, the buyer should be unable to retrieve an item whose cost exceeds its remaining balance. The vendor should learn nothing except what must inevitably be learned, namely, the amount of interaction and the initial deposit amount (which imply upper bounds on the quantity and total price of all information obtained by the buyer). In particular, the vendor should be unable to learn what the buyer's current balance is or when it actually runs out of its funds.
layered deception
In view of the recent gimme-the-logs-or-we-fuck-you activities of armed men (http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=36912group=webcast , http://seattle.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=3013 ) what would be the legal consequence of the following: 1. A virus is designed that spreads itself in some standard way and that deletes log files of popular http server implementations. 2. Files are deleted when virus receives a packet on a known port. 3. Detection of virus requires more than average admin can do. So when logs are requested an outside 3rd party can maliciously remove logs. The first several ISPs to contract this virus will probably get fucked, but by then it should become obvious that the ISP cannot effectively control the virus.
toolmakers not responsible for tooluse
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010427/ts/court_handgun_liability.html Friday April 27 10:29 AM ET Gun Ruling To Have National Impact By JOEL STASHENKO, Associated Press Writer ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - A ruling by the state's top court that gun makers can't be held liable for shooting deaths and injuries because of their marketing practices is certain to have an impact on dozens of such cases nationwide, lawyers say. So if gun-makers aren't responsible for how guns are used, why is Napster held responsible for how its software is used? Why is Felton responsible for how his thinking might be used?
The Program
Several months ago, I made a conscious decision not to delete what I figured was just another junk e-mail. That decision has changed my life. Here you have the very same opportunity in front of you. If you take just five minutes to read through the following program you wont regret it. See for yourself! Dear Friends Future Millionaires: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV: Making over half a million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home for an investment of only $25 U.S. Dollars expense one time THANKS TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET ! == BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Before you say ''Bull'', please read the following. This is the letter you have been hearing about on the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are ''absolutely NO Laws prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can -follow the simple instructions, they are bound to make some mega bucks with only $25 out of pocket cost''. DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. This is what one had to say: ''Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received total $610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming in. Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey. === Here is another testimonial: This program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and voila . 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything.'' More testimonials later but first, = PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE == $ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following...THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN!!! $ FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED! INSTRUCTIONS: =Order all 5 reports shown on the list below = For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. === When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5=$25.00. Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happens to your computer. IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in steps '' 1 through 6 '' or you will loose out on a majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it does not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will NOT work!!! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! 1 After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2 Move the name address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT # 5. 3 Move the name address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4. 4 Move the name address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT # 3. 5 Move the name address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2. 6 Insert YOUR
Report from NORML conference in Washington, DC
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,43232,00.html Pot Backers Call for Reeferendum By Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 2:30 p.m. Apr. 23, 2001 PDT WASHINGTON -- Hundreds of drug war critics gathered here this weekend to share political tips, marijuana cigarettes, pipes and bowls, and a growing sense of optimism about the future of drug legalization. The occasion was the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws convention, an annual event usually held around April 20, a date that has the same kind of significance to cannabis users that, say, July 4 has to patriots. In the ranks of the legalize-weed movement, NORML has a venerable history. It's been around since 1970, and has held 27 annual conventions so far -- only to see the drug war escalate during that time to include military troops, longer prison terms, and the creation of a federal bureaucracy that has become the arch-enemy of pot smokers. So why were the roughly 250 conference goers sounding almost, well, happy? It wasn't just the plentiful herb at the event. NORML believes that thanks to pro-legalization politicians like Gov. Gary Johnson (R-New Mexico) and Rep. Barney Frank (D-Massachusetts), state action on medical marijuana, and the spread of the Internet, public opinion may be shifting. We don't live in an isolated world anymore, said Allen St. Pierre, the executive director of the NORML Foundation. We can be watching people indulge in cannabis in an Amsterdam cafe via a webcam. St. Pierre said Johnson and Frank's support is heartening. We have not had a major political figure since the '70s come out and endorse a departure from the status quo. That's important and noteworthy to say the least. St. Pierre is talking about what former President Carter said in 1977: Penalties against drug use should not be more damaging to an individual than use of the drug itself. Nowhere is this more clear than in the laws against possession of marijuana in private for personal use. [...]
Re: Amtrak The War On Drugs
Ken Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need phone numbers to buy train tickets? For most trains around here at least, the answer is no. You get on the train, and the conductor sells you a ticket to where you're going for cash. Or you can pay at the ticket office at the station beforehand, if there is one, to save a little money. -- Riad Wahby [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIT VI-2/A 2002 5105
Re: Reading List (for the umpteenth time....)
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, James A. Donald wrote: Detweiler repeatedly attempted that hack in several different newsgroups and mailing lists, and repeatedly failed. Everyone would come to the conclusion that he was a loon, and that anyone who agreed with him was either a tentacle or a fellow loon. Hmm. I wouldn't care to advertise my ignorance (as Detweiler is certainly part of net.legend), what *was* the final outcome of that ordeal? (Feel free to answer offline, or to post links only.) Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], gsm: +358-50-5756111 student/math+cs/helsinki university, http://www.iki.fi/~decoy/front
RE: not getting it in Quebec
those pussies should have used pipe bombs, thats where it's at! - - Shaun Ollivierre Dream Developments/EHI [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.enphourell.com On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: It would be cruel to use live animals. Maybe they should use stuffed shirts. Peter -- From: Blank Frank[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] By mid-afternoon, protesters tore down a section of the concrete and chain-link security barricade and pelted police officers in riot gear with cans, bottles, rocks and stuffed animals. Officers responded by lobbing canisters of tear gas. Stuffed animals? Did they expect that the cops would use cheese-whiz instead of mace? http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010420/ts/summit.html Friday April 20 4:41 PM ET Quebec Summit Opens Amid Protests
Privacy Prez?
The Privacy President? By WILLIAM SAFIRE WASHINGTON Ñ In an action that left medical data-swappers sputtering with rage and the well-heeled intrusion lobby moaning about its "operational nightmare," President Bush struck a blow last week for the privacy of medical patients' records. Few expected Bush to make good on the belated rule changes his departing predecessor made that so offended health-care bureaucrats. But now doctors, hospitals and insurers are obliged to get patients' consent before passing around intimate personal information. This is only the beginning. During his campaign, Bush promised not only to uphold the principle of advance consent from users of the Internet and from depositors in banks, but to go after identity thieves and "make it a criminal offense to sell a person's Social Security number without his or her express consent." His spokesman made clear to Wall Street Journal reporters that despite pressures from marketers, bankers, H.M.O.'s and credit snoops, Bush had told his domestic policy advisers he would "tend to side with the privacy point of view." He doesn't go overboard Ñ he thinks parents, for example, should be able to see their children's records Ñ but he seems to grasp the essential principle. Meanwhile, the U.S. Court of Appeals here smacked one of the largest commercial snoops upside its headers. Trans Union Corporation, which has electronic dossiers on three out of four Americans, claimed a First Amendment right to sell credit information in mortgage applications to "target marketers" without the targeted consumers' permission. The intruder was willing to provide only an "opt-out," placing the burden of defending privacy on the unsuspecting victim. The court disagreed. It held that the government, through the Federal Trade Commission, could require companies to get an individual's permission before selling credit data on that person to salesmen looking for prospects with delicious vulnerabilities. The far-reaching court decision affirms the role of government in protecting the privacy of individuals. But what about government itself poking unnecessarily into people's private lives? Sure enough, with the executive and judicial branches awakening to the public's growing resentment of data rape, sleepy solons of the legislative branch are rubbing their eyes and noticing the issue. Senator Fred Thompson discovered that 64 government Web sites place "cookies" in the computers of site visitors, enabling the feds to track the viewing habits of citizens long after they have left the government site. The irate Tennessean promised hearings because "the federal government should be setting the standard for privacy protection in the Information Age." Rather than setting up talkathon commissions, Congress should be setting down laws, because banks, hospitals, colleges and dot-com enterprises have for years been paying lip service to privacy standards Ñ posting soothing "privacy policies" that are warrants for sustained snooping Ñ while making an open book of every person's health, personal habits and bank account. One oughta-be-a-law applies to a problem that touches a nerve in tens of millions of Americans: the abuse of Social Security numbers as identifiers, contrary to the specific intent of the system. Ostensibly used for identity protection, Social Security number abuse has led to increased stalking and even murder. And identity theft. Next on President Bush's privacy list is this spreading crime that ruins lives, not just credit ratings. In the Senate, Richard Shelby has been taking the lead on this, the D'Artagnan working with "the three privateers," Dianne Feinstein, Jon Kyl and Judd Gregg. Bush's signals have given heart to Clay Shaw in the House. He says, "We'll be dropping a new bill to protect Social Security numbers in the next couple of weeks, hold hearings before Memorial Day and look for Senate partners." Pitfall ahead: We'll see if Bush's appointee to head the Federal Trade Commission is as privacy-conscious as the departing chairman, Robert Pitofsky. But the tide she is a-turning. We have a Congress that is getting the word from constituents; a judiciary that remembers Justice Brandeis and his "right to be let alone"; a press beginning to assign privacy as a beat; and a man in the White House who may not be averse to being thought of as the privacy president.
Re: Stalking Louis Freeh
Although ChoicePoint says it has records on nearly every American with a credit card, it doesnt always provide access to that data. The companys Autotrack service is popular with many agencies and businesses and is also used by reporters at The Wall Street Journal. But entering the name of FBI Director Louis Freeh into the Autotrack database produces an error message. A company spokesman says ChoicePoint intentionally blocks Mr. Freehs records as an act of good corporate citizenship. I wonder if they would be willing to block my records as an act of good corporate citizenship.
Keysigning Party, Simi Valley, CA, USA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 LUG-Fest (Linux User's Group Festival) an expo style event for Linux users in the bay area is going to hold a large keysigning party. If any cypherpunks are interested in attending here is the relevant information: LUG Fest April 21-22, 2001 at Nortel Networks, Simi Valley, CA, USA! Keysigning Party Press Release: http://www.lugfest.org/gpg.cgi "Sunday, April 22nd, 2001, 12:30 p.m, the Simi Valley Linux Users group will hold a GPG/PGP Key signing party during LUGFest IV. LUGFest IV will be held at Nortel Networks in Simi Valley, CA. The LUGFest and the key signing party are open to the public, all are welcome to attend." The lugfest press release links to the GnuPG Keysigning Party HOWTO, which I wrote. Constructive criticism of that document is appreciated. I posted in here once before for review and got some good feed back. It lives at: http://www.cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/gpg-party.html I've been trying to get LUGs (linux user groups) around the country to start holding regular keysigning parties in the last 5 minutes of their meetings. LUGs exist in every major metro area in the US and meet regularly. They are capable a providing an excellent backbone (infrastructure support) for a strong nation wide web of trust. Local webs of trust formed by lugs can be linked at conferences like LUG-Fest. I strongly urge everyone who can to participate in the LUG-Fest party, and to thank LUG-Fest for holding it. Also, if you are a member of your local LUG, I urge you to help it establish a keysigning tradition and a strong web of trust. Thanks, - VAB -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.75-6 iD8DBQE62vWt+pIJc5kqSz8RArvHAJ4+nN/IBDjWIpEUWoU61m3Eo3NzuwCeJGcg 6DiqV+fs2HWcE5oxmrtxbfc= =bCzD -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: hello, I would like to learn how to hack a bit
Certainly. Head down to the local hardware store and buy yourself a very large axe. Now find something you want to hack, lift the axe over your head, and bring it down edge first. You may need to hack three or four times before you break all the way through. It's easy once you get the hang of it. Bear On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, roland wrote: but I'm not verry good jet, can u tell me how pls answer me quick
Misc p2p article
Also, today's NYT has an article about national security needs for more language experts. http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB987356381635082061.htm # #April 16, 2001 # #Asian Technology # #Two New Peer-to-Peer Programs Aim High, but Still Have Glitches # #By JEREMY WAGSTAFF Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL # #Time to grovel. I was hoping this week to be able to trumpet #a bunch of new programs that free you from some of the physical #constraints of modern computing. I was hoping to be able to say #that, at last, you were free of shackles such as overprotective #technical staff, the corporate Intranet and endless e-mail #attachments. # #But paradise, I'm afraid to say, has to be postponed for a while. #The two programs I've been toying with, new versions of which #were both released last week, are Groove Networks Inc.'s Groove #(www.groove.net1 ) and GoToMyPC (www.gotomypc.com2 ) from #Expertcity Inc. # #Groove is the first serious attempt to introduce peer-to-peer #computing to the business marketplace, giving employees a chance #to communicate and share files by setting up their own online #work groups. GoToMyPC offers the first Web-based -- and legal #-- method of accessing and controlling another computer. Both, #in theory, are great ideas, elegant in their simplicity and #genuinely useful. But neither worked perfectly. # #Peer-to-peer computing -- where multiple users can interact #directly, rather than through a server -- is probably the next #great thing for the Internet. Best known as a way to swap music #over the Net via Napster, so-called P-to-P applications allow #much more, such as letting users share files, messages or #calendars, or collaborate in real time on a document or drawing. # #As I've mentioned before, the Web will start coming into its #own once people stop obsessing about how to make money out of #other users and start capitalizing on the intrinsic benefits #of having millions of people all sharing a network. # #Peer-to-peer computing offers users the chance to set up their #own personalized networks atop the public Web. Without these #P-to-P systems, people have to use a number of imperfect #alternatives. For instance, users can rely on their Internet- #service providers to provide the tools (but they may be held #hostage to proprietary programs or HTML); or use corporate #networks (jealously guarded by techies rightly afraid of viruses #and other abuses); or shuffle e-mail messages among team members #(a cumbersome process). # #In practice, Groove isn't quite mature yet. The preview edition #looks and feels professional, and carries loads of useful #features, including instant messaging, file sharing, even a #doodling pad. It also supposedly works behind a firewall, and #around problems such as connecting to computers that share the #same Internet connection. # #Although the program is sturdier than its beta ancestors, I found #it unstable and unreliable. On one computer it wouldn't load #properly; on another it behaved erratically through the company #firewall and offered no easily accessible options that I could #tweak to make it perform better. # #Disappointing, but not fatal. Groove, or something like it, is #definitely the wave of the future: Freeing up employees to set #up their own peer groups without cluttering the corporate Intranet #makes sense. Pharmaceutical company GlaxoSmithKline, for one, #agrees: Last week it bought 10,000 licenses for more than 100,000 #employees world-wide, making it Groove Networks' first paying #customer. # #GoToMyPC, meanwhile, tackles a similar problem from a slightly #different angle, and is a unilateral peer-to-peer system, rather #than the more common variety that lets anyone talk to anyone #else. Whether on the Net or not, users have been hamstrung by #the fact that generally they only can run one computer at a time. #Working from home? Chances are you only can access the office #network with difficulty. Forget a vital file at home? There are #only one or two programs available that allow you to access a #remote computer, and most of them aren't Internet-based. Instead, #these programs rely on actually dialing into the computer via #a phone line. # #GoToMyPC aims to make the process simpler by harnessing the #Internet to link computers. It sounds simple, and it is: Assuming #the two computers are connected to the Internet (and most office #computers permanently are hooked up, as are PCs on a cable modem #or other high-speed Internet connection), the software merely #links them together. It establishes
Epilogue: U.S. v. Jim Bell trial in federal court in Tacoma
Four articles are excerpted below: Wired News on government's motion to seal public court records Sierra Times: "IRS Prosecutes Outspoken Dissident" About.com: "Jim Bell's show trial" Cluebot.com on how government surveillance killed the cypherpunks list -Declan *** http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,43064,00.html The U.S. government wants to seal public court records in a trial of an Internet essayist for privacy reasons. Assistant U.S. Attorney Robb London this week asked a federal judge to seal all documents -- including exhibits and transcripts -- that might include personal information and home addresses about people who testified in the trial of Jim Bell. A jury found Bell guilty of two counts of interstate stalking. London said: "We are concerned that information in these exhibits not be published... (We) don't need to have that information posted on the Internet." While the charges are crucial to understanding the case against Bell, the government feels uneasy about the home addresses of federal agents being easily accessible to the public. London cited the addresses of agents dozens of times in open court, and displayed digital photographs of the homes Bell visited. U.S. District Judge Jack Tanner thought about London's request for a moment, then denied it. "I don't think I have the authority to do that," Tanner said. [The meaning was changed slightly in editing. The fourth paragraph should be "addresses of people Bell *believed* to be federal agents but were not. One was, for instance, a real estate agent. --DBM] *** http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/apr/13/arst041301.htm IRS Prosecutes Outspoken Dissident SierraTimes 04.13.00 James Dalton Bell may remind you of somebody you know. He's very bright, dresses and looks like a nerd and, most importantly, he dislikes the IRS. In that last respect, he is not in a minority. Where Jim Bell does fall into a minority is that instead of merely grumbling quietly, he decided to do something about it. And that's why he was just convicted in the Washington Federal District Court in Tacoma on Tuesday [4/10/2001]. Jim Bell has been a lifelong libertarian, ever since he was a teenager. Bell's view of government was that it was unnecessary. Is he an anarchist? Only, as he puts it, in the sense of "I believe in order; I do not believe in orders." He disparaged the huge hierarchies that have evolved in current bureaucracies, and believed that such hierarchies were unresponsive and dehumanizing. And, as Bell would personally learn, such a hierarchy creates two classes as outlined in George Orwell's Animal Farm: those who are part of the government hierarchy, and those who are not. [...] Bell, in his defense, stated that he had signed the LP oath that he would not initiate violence. And there was absolutely no direct evidence that he had ever initiated violence against anyone. People that he had come in contact with in his 2000 investigation characterized him as polite, and did not see him as threat. And Bell had obviously taken no discernible steps that would equip him to initiate violence. So what the government was left with was prosecuting a thought crime: intent. Because Bell had used his freedom of political speech to write such items as "Assassination Politics" and disclose IRS agents' home addresses, he obviously had to have the intent to harass federal agents. And the harassment was loosely construed. Any attempt to find or disclose any personal information about an agent can be made to fit federal law against "intention to harass or injure" an agent. Several times during the trial, the prosecutor made it clear that such an investigation was inappropriate and illegal merely on the basis that the subjects of such investigation were federal agents. Numerous times he cited the special privilege that agents hold that ordinary citizens don't possess. Federal agents are, indeed, a breed apart and must be specially protected, he insisted. While they could surveil and investigate ordinary citizens, it was illegal for ordinary citizens to do the same to them. [...] *** http://civilliberty.about.com/newsissues/civilliberty/library/weekly/aa041101a.htm Jim Bell's show trial Cypherpunk Jim Bell was found guilty of making the feds nervous Dateline: 4/11/01 Jim Bell has been probed, raided and arrested. He spent time in prison for "obstructing" Internal Revenue Service agents and using a false Social Security number. Now Bell has been convicted for get this stalking government
DoD's Counterdrug Technology Office Launches Biometrics Catalog
NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF JUSTICE (NIJ) Biometrics Catalog Online NIJ has teamed with the U.S. Department of Defense's Counterdrug Technology Development Program Office to launch the online Biometrics Catalog. Biometrics consist of automated methods for recognizing a person based on physiological or behavioral characteristics such as fingerprints, voice patterns, facial recognition, etc. The catalog provides a single location to find information about biometric technologies and allows the Biometrics community to share information about commercial products, development efforts, and government evaluations. To visit the Biometrics Catalog online, please go to the following: http://www.biometricscatalog.org/ You can search in the following categories: Fingerprint, hand geometry, eye-retinal, eye-iris, facial recognition, speaker, dynamic signature, multiple biometric, and other types. I did a sample search on facial recognition and commercially available products and got these hits. BioANTS-Face 4/3/01 FaceIt 7/28/00 FaceMail4/2/01 FaceVACS3/30/01 HNeT Acsys FRS...4/2/01 MindsEye 4/5/01 President 4/2/01 Here's the info for the "President" package: Modified: 4/2/01 9:01:00 PM Category: Commercially Available Products Biometric Type: Facial Recognition Vendor: Biometrica Title: President Description: Biometrica Systems, Inc. supplies facial recognition technology to casinos worldwide. In addition, their software is used by law enforcement and other surveillance departments worldwide. Additional References Related sites: Biometrica Systems, Inc. http://www.biometrica.com Now I'm just going to have to make sure I remember to invest in those theatrical mask companies...Or I could just celebrate Halloween all year long. Regards, Matt- ** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, 2175 Bayfield Drive, Columbus, OH 43229 (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **
Re: Starium?
Peter, Thanks for the tip on that. I'll be looking out for it, although at that price, it's cheaper to buy a dedicated PC and run SpeakFreely, as you point out. Linux PDAs with good sound chips are just around the corner, apparently, and it seems that it shouldn't be too big a feat to get SpeakFreely or something similar running on them. These PDAs are a lot cheaper than the dedicated encryption hardware, such as Starium, which was going to price at around $500, last I heard. Also, because everything in the PDA is open source, it would be easier to trust it. Maybe when I have time and money to do it, and the PDAs with the necessary hardware are really shipping, I'll do some project like this. Basically, all it needs would be a full-duplex sound chip, and a built-in modem, and a reasonably fast CPU. It's just a shame that we have encryption all over the place, except for the one medium which we probably use the most: voice.
Re: hello, I would like to learn how to hack a bit
It's very simple. Go to a military surplus store or your local Wall-Mart and buy a machete. If you buy a surplus one, you may want to sharpen it and polish the rusty blade, although this step is not essential because one may hack quite noisily and dramatically with a rusty dull machete. Go out in your back yard and find some brush or small trees. (Bamboo works well but may not be available in your area.) Hack away -- it's that simple! Disclaimer: In many states, if you hack at decorative trees or shrubs that do not belong to you, you may be liable for a sum in damages equal to thrice the actual value of the vegetation destroyed. -- Daniel - Original Message - From: roland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 5:02 AM Subject: CDR: hello, I would like to learn how to hack a bit but I'm not verry good jet, can u tell me how pls answer me quick
RE: Starium?
Here it is http://www.L-3Com.com/cs-east/programs/infosec/privatel.htm 3DES, 1024 bit D-H, TEMPEST compliant. Handles both voice and data. -- From: Trei, Peter Reply To: Trei, Peter Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 1:35 PM To: Dr. Evil; 'Declan McCullagh' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Starium? At the RSA conference I saw a company selling Starium-equivalent units, both for voice and data encryption. The voice only units were about $1400 apiece. (frankly, at that price, you could plug a PC with an A/D converter card between the handset and the base, and roll your own). I'm still decompressing, and have not unpacked all my bumph, else I'd have more specific data. Peter Trei -- From: Declan McCullagh[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: Declan McCullagh Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 1:46 PM To: Dr. Evil Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Starium? I have a pair of their preproduction units they sent me in December. --Declan On Sun, Apr 15, 2001 at 02:01:10AM -, Dr. Evil wrote: Does anyone know if Starium is ever going to release anything? I noticed on their News section that they have engaged an MA specialist. That's probably not a good sign for them operating as a stand-alone company. email to them bounces.
Starium?
Does anyone know if Starium is ever going to release anything? I noticed on their News section that they have engaged an MA specialist. That's probably not a good sign for them operating as a stand-alone company. email to them bounces.
John Walsh broadcasts Most Wanted sans underwear! (horrors!)
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Re: Cypherpunks, Feds, and Pudgyfaced Voyeurism
Quoting Ray Dillinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: It's all so sad and predictable and sad again. The cypherpunks list had its glory days: Wired magazine cover stories, blossoming technology, and, yes, even those damnable tentacles. Now it's become a convenient way for the Feds to land convictions. Perhaps it is time to consider a new and different mailing list which accepts messages ONLY from remailers. It would be publicly archived and unmoderated just as cypherpunks is, and monitored by the lions just as cypherpunks is, but now that the thought-crime laws are setting in full force, it could provide a forum where there wouldn't be such a simple evidentiary chain from post to poster. But how are we going to filter Choatian messages?
Re: Cypherpunks, Feds, and Pudgyfaced Voyeurism
Unindictedcoconspiritors? Tentaclenet? Targetzone? Shootmeplease? -- DS "Y'know, if the earth were flat, all the Chinese would fall off..." -- Firesign Theatre
One produces an access device by designing it..
Found this. Its a model jury instruction re counterfeit access devices. Interesting thing is that mere 'design' supposedly counts (see near bottom). [How do you show 'fraud' when all you have is a napkin with a design?] Ninth Circuit Model Criminal Jury Instructions 8.68 COUNTERFEIT ACCESS DEVICES PRODUCTION, USE, OR TRAFFICKING (18 U.S.C. 1029(a)(1)) The defendant is charged in [Count ___ of] the indictment with [production of] [use of] [trafficking in] [a] counterfeit access device[s] in violation of Section 1029(a)(1) of Title 18 of the United States Code. In order for the defendant to be found guilty of that charge, the government must prove each of the following elements beyond a reasonable doubt: First, the defendant knowingly [used] [produced] [trafficked in] a counterfeit [access device] [specific type device, e.g., card number, plate number, code number, account number, personal identification number, etc.]; Second, the defendant acted with intent to defraud; and Third, the defendant's conduct in some way affected commerce between one state and [an]other state[s], or between a state or the United States and a foreign country. An "access device" means any card, plate, code, account number, electronic serial number, mobile identification number, personal identification number, or other telecommunications service, equipment, or instrument identifier, or other means of account access that can be used, alone or in conjunction with another access device, that can be used alone or in conjunction with another access device, to obtain money, goods, services, or any other thing of value, or that can be used to initiate a transfer of funds (other than a transfer originated solely by paper instrument). [A "counterfeit access device" is any access device that is counterfeit, fictitious, altered or forged, or an identifiable component of an access device or a counterfeit access device.] [One "produces" an access device by designing it, altering it, authenticating it, duplicating it, or assembling it.] [One "traffics" in an access device by transferring it or otherwise disposing of it to another, or by obtaining control of it with intent to transfer or dispose of it.] http://207.41.19.15/web/sdocuments.nsf/dcf4f914455891d4882564b40001f6dc/bbf68d26da5ebee2882564ba007da0b0?OpenDocument
Re: How do we expect to even find them ...
How do we expect to even find them, when they're using mixmasters to remain anonymous? Do you know what a mixmaster is? This is exactly the problem. from "Can hackers help stop child porn on the Net?" I see now, this is why ICC is enlisting cypherpunks. --- High Commissioner of the Cypherpunk Party Enforcement Division The target list for April 20 operation: $M"#HAO'BGQ$K*!H^F-;@LT!4W3%DB'/"MC$07/5)%1KRREE6+BH:,Y#@[MQ 3USJ`0XP:8XYKJC\V$*6L%KI_%,HX5Y+[1;9_/5(FU_?0;-6VRJUY5"CF M#SL;;QV?5!Q+XH3I-7Q^.;K01,FH#'NAWR#V2G)VT5O?I$\=MKGD6$C)Q !H=MN:ZO.7%]_L@CJ_K35;'H[J73]FG[IZLF1]8+U6*/\!DGQ`38VOGL4@8 3=W^'%BHP6'XR,-)!T,G1.N%T2^"CAG3RL)L`D^L)3+IQJ=*LO(_R% P@L]4B*5W8Q57/.!N%^O]GTZOQS3'86R2ULAU"'5)UU4CVKSG#%P[?'RF ;R)]_=%6!CGH4GP/CF`:\E^LN6KVPN%'G`(\9.E%A+.#_@$?E63YW@ O3A*W]0L$)*==N),`-C,S8*(,#TE6H?59X[!4?I43A6$-!^\LVH2\]9-NL ==`/\^GC8_T!UEJE'9O5`G,#O-)_%E\T+^9AW7P(E8BQ\`4@59#-5#AAJ8 2GY"=X/$A@DFS6_JME?PU=NG4$^1J*UP;4T%+A*"\:2,Z"P8O@2S[E9:A 7G[%.1C._/%TPA$:]HDNK?*P(O\+)H8%\TZ)E)(:9/:8Y;X24U'NV7AQ"@3 ;"R''OSM%\@,[267:MK^)?%./*/\H,4N%R!_5D%@,0D)HX#_GPG.I?Z/.TA A2*HD$OIB!4H$QN`.E,$"$8B`\!E+I1$P4$?#Z6+YE9I"D_MR=YCH!#0X UDB(@9B4::+162)G%Q',@CN]Y2S=\!D@4M\]O-1H'Z'#2OB?(S__5WJ
Re: Cypherpunks, Feds, and Pudgyfaced Voyeurism
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: It's all so sad and predictable and sad again. The cypherpunks list had its glory days: Wired magazine cover stories, blossoming technology, and, yes, even those damnable tentacles. Now it's become a convenient way for the Feds to land convictions. Perhaps it is time to consider a new and different mailing list which accepts messages ONLY from remailers. It would be publicly archived and unmoderated just as cypherpunks is, and monitored by the lions just as cypherpunks is, but now that the thought-crime laws are setting in full force, it could provide a forum where there wouldn't be such a simple evidentiary chain from post to poster. Given the recent spate of events, and the fact that some forms of political speech now seem to be a crime, or at least grounds for legal harassment and admissible as evidence of other crimes, I will probably have to set up such a list -- more info when it's ready to accept posts. The best name (cypherpunks) seems to be taken. Hmm. I will have to consider. The naming of things is a ticklish business. Bear
Re: Cypherpunks, Feds, and Pudgyfaced Voyeurism
Hmm. Anyone know what are some extant web-to-email remailers, and what Type I remailers exist? -Declan On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 06:43:10PM -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: It's all so sad and predictable and sad again. The cypherpunks list had its glory days: Wired magazine cover stories, blossoming technology, and, yes, even those damnable tentacles. Now it's become a convenient way for the Feds to land convictions. Perhaps it is time to consider a new and different mailing list which accepts messages ONLY from remailers. It would be publicly archived and unmoderated just as cypherpunks is, and monitored by the lions just as cypherpunks is, but now that the thought-crime laws are setting in full force, it could provide a forum where there wouldn't be such a simple evidentiary chain from post to poster. Given the recent spate of events, and the fact that some forms of political speech now seem to be a crime, or at least grounds for legal harassment and admissible as evidence of other crimes, I will probably have to set up such a list -- more info when it's ready to accept posts. The best name (cypherpunks) seems to be taken. Hmm. I will have to consider. The naming of things is a ticklish business. Bear
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You can be sure that Tanner has learned all about the "TannerWatch" website, and is hardly amused by it. A public figure, on the taxpayer's dime no less, who is 'hardly amused' by a collection of freely-obtainable documents, some of which were written by his misguided admirers, and some by more astute observers? Awww, poor widdle baby. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen, boy.
Re: Seth Finkelstein, reluctant cypherpunk?
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: Obviously there are going to be some points of agreement. Seth is a liberal and a programmer who is going to like strong crypto, free speech (only the types the ACLU approves of, naturally), and so on. But on cases involving free trade, commercial speech, critiques of government regulation, Seth is an aggressive anti-cypherpunk and proud of it. Huh? That's like being for an atmosphere but against gravity. If there is strong crypto, then everybody, including traders, government critics, etc, is going to do whatever the hell they want to do with information. Being in favor of something but against its consequences is a state of fundamental conflict, and people who hold such conflicted views are generally ignorable without loss of information in the long run. So if that's the case, why should we even care what he thinks? He's wrong, that's all. Bear
Re: How the Justice Department screws with a reporter
I found out that Worldtravel had moved my flight to a Tuesday departure that would get into the city that afternoon, *after* the proceedings had begun. That could (understandably) piss off the judge -- I'd be violating a This is my worst nightmare. We are ruled by infantile idiots. Oh, the shame, the shame !
RE: DOJ steps up child porn fight, plan regulates digital cameras
At 08:59 PM 4/2/01 -0700, Alan Olsen wrote: On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, David Honig wrote: but while working for aol i remember companies trying to sell me on the concept of 'anti-porn' pic filtering software. it worked by looking for a high percentage of flesh tones in a pic. Yeah but all that blue latex and black leather screws up the pinkfilter. To say nothing of the feathers, whipped cream, or blood. Or that not all people are pink. Yeah, if your porn-AI can parse http://www.mccullagh.org/theme/dazzle-dancers.html you're a better heurist than I.
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Re: Seth Finkelstein, reluctant cypherpunk?
Declan writes: It's important for cypherpunks to understand why Seth Finkelstein has (apparently) recently subscribed to the list. Seth is essentially an anti-cypherpunk, someone who violently disagrees with free-market points of view and has spent (a conservative estimate) hundreds of hours arguing against them. Thanks, Declan. I think we've all figured that out by now. "Libertarians are people who think the only legitimate function of police is to protect them from their slaves." --Lots of People Most people get sucked into Libertarianism because it sounds like the word "liberty." After learning more about it, and meeting real Libertarians, they go "Icky-Poo" and run swiftly in the opposite direction. Libertarians don't mind this, because most of them also feel the exact same way about other Libertarians. Libertarian "philosophy" provides no mechanism whatsoever for arguing that there can't, for instance, be a death penalty. Or that "child abuse" should be defined by anything other than what the majority of non-children think it is ok to do to kids. I doubt you'll see any Libertarians protesting either when Sally Mann and Jock Sturges are hauled off to the Sex Offender Re-Education Camp either. In fact, Libertarians are real good at letting everyone have whatever rights they can personally defend, without anyone else lifting a finger. Foo on Libertarians. I have no use for them. Can you imagine what Libertarian foreign policy would look like, or a Libertarian space program? -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
RE: DOJ steps up child porn fight, plan regulates digital cameras
At 05:55 PM 4/2/01 -0400, Phillip H. Zakas wrote: ya know this does sound like an april fools joke (esp. the part about encouraging the photographer to enter into counseling.) Particularly if you only ran across it Monday. Got Mr. Bear, too. There are some cute RFCs dated 1.4.x too. but while working for aol i remember companies trying to sell me on the concept of 'anti-porn' pic filtering software. it worked by looking for a high percentage of flesh tones in a pic. Yeah but all that blue latex and black leather screws up the pinkfilter. To say nothing of the feathers, whipped cream, or blood.
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Re: PGP flaw found by Czech firm allows dig sig to be forged
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty Good Privacy that permits digital signatures to be forged in some situations. Phil Zimmermann, the PGP inventor who's now the director of the OpenPGP Consortium, said on Wednesday that he and a Network Associates (NETA) engineer verified that the vulnerability exists. ICZ, a Prague company with 450 employees, said that two of its cryptologists unearthed a bug in the OpenPGP format that allows an adversary who breaks into your computer to forge your e-mail signature. A "vulnerability" that requires the opponent to have write access to your private key in order to exploit? Okay. What was PGP's threat model again? I'd have sworn that this was squarely outside it. As far as I can tell, *NOBODY* offers security tools that offer real protection in the event your opponent has physical access to the machine. Bear
Re: PGP flaw found by Czech firm allows dig sig to be forged
A "vulnerability" that requires the opponent to have write access to your private key in order to exploit? Okay. What was PGP's threat model again? I'd have sworn that this was squarely outside it. Probably. Do you need only write access? What does that do for smart cards - if anything? -David
RE: PGP flaw found by Czech firm allows dig sig to be forged
"...As far as I can tell, *NOBODY* offers security tools that offer real protection in the event your opponent has physical access to the machine... Bear" I completely agree. Even if they didn't have access to the machine, losing the private key is a huge problem. I should point out a similar problem exists with microsoft's crypto api (capi). by replacing rsaenh.dll (and one other i could name later...details are on my research laptop and not on this machine) one could dummy down encryption or eliminate encryption control across all crypto api-compliant applications (like ms outlook, explorer, etc.) in fact this 'crack' is simiar to the 'upgrade' ms offers users to go from 56 to 128 bit encryption. interestingly, in order to gain export assurance for a crypto product, it's usually enough to state that your product's crypto relies on the MS crypto api. this is because the ms crypto api architecture has already received an "ok" for export (with caveats re: 128 bit encryption.) i've been through this process so I know the 'crack' and the export license information is correct (as of one year ago anyway). the most significant problem with pki, imho, is the fact one can't verify the publisher of the key. the public key could have been stolen/modified, or the issuer of the key may not have verified the true identity of the requestor. i could, right now, buy for $14.95, a digital cert from verisign claiming I'm napoleon bonaparte. and it would be published in their digital cert. directory as true. ya know, i'm going to do that right now. anyway, as many have already echoed here, gaining access to an adversary's machine provides more interesting possibilities than simply modifying a user's secret key. i would hope the cnsa would try to be more creative than that. phillip In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty Good Privacy that permits digital signatures to be forged in some situations. Phil Zimmermann, the PGP inventor who's now the director of the OpenPGP Consortium, said on Wednesday that he and a Network Associates (NETA) engineer verified that the vulnerability exists. ICZ, a Prague company with 450 employees, said that two of its cryptologists unearthed a bug in the OpenPGP format that allows an adversary who breaks into your computer to forge your e-mail signature. A "vulnerability" that requires the opponent to have write access to your private key in order to exploit? Okay. What was PGP's threat model again? I'd have sworn that this was squarely outside it. As far as I can tell, *NOBODY* offers security tools that offer real protection in the event your opponent has physical access to the machine. Bear
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Re: PGP flaw found by Czech firm allows dig sig to be forged
In article 99b89r$lgd$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ian Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If p is wrong, the result S' will be correct mod q but incorrect mod p. so S' ^ e mod q = M mod q, but S' ^ e mod p != M mod p. Therefore GCD(S' ^ e mod n, M) = q, and we're done. I think you meant GCD((S'^e mod n)-M, n) = q. I don't think what you said is true, since q does not necessarily divide M. - Nikita
Re: PGP flaw found by Czech firm allows dig sig to be forged
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,42553,00.html Your E-Hancock Can Be Forged by Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 10:20 a.m. Mar. 21, 2001 PST WASHINGTON -- A Czech information security firm has found a flaw in Pretty Good Privacy that permits digital signatures to be forged in some situations. Phil Zimmermann, the PGP inventor who's now the director of the OpenPGP Consortium, said on Wednesday that he and a Network Associates (NETA) engineer verified that the vulnerability exists. ICZ, a Prague company with 450 employees, said that two of its cryptologists unearthed a bug in the OpenPGP format that allows an adversary who breaks into your computer to forge your e-mail signature. Of course, if someone can modify your private keyring, I'd suspect your TCB is toast. (Unless you're in the habit of shipping your private keyring around the Internet.) For the interested, this is my guess at the attack. Modify the encrypted value of p, somewhere near the middle. When decrypted, depending on the chaining mode, it's possible that only a couple of blocks of p will be mangled, and the remainder of the private key file will decrypt successfully. Here's where PGP fails to do a MAC to verify integrity of the data. Then, it behaves just like DFA (Differential Fault Analysis). The idea is that to calculate a signature M^d mod n, we calculate M^d mod p and M^d mod q, and use the CRT to combine them to S = M^d mod n. If p is wrong, the result S' will be correct mod q but incorrect mod p. so S' ^ e mod q = M mod q, but S' ^ e mod p != M mod p. Therefore GCD(S' ^ e mod n, M) = q, and we're done. - Ian
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Re: What is the recommended variant of PGP.
On Sat, 17 Mar 2001, Alan Olsen wrote: Gnu Privacy Guard is an Open Source PGP replacement. I have not examined interoperability with older versions of PGP though. (I will be doing that soon though.) The short version is this: GPG will work more-or-less transparently with PGP 5.x and 6.x, at least for all versions I've played with (most of 'em). It won't play nicely with PGP 2.6.x (or, AFAIK, any older version). ...dave
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Re: Paternity tests [was: WSJ: NSA Computer Upgrade]
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RE: WSJ: NSA Computer Upgrade
On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, David Honig wrote: The motivation for this is that the legals have decided that supporting the children is more important than fairness. Its that simple; some legals will even admit it. "Fairness" is such a slippery word. Is it fair for a child to have no support available? Remember, it's not because of anything the child did. I think the criterion here is that the adult is more capable of coping with the unfairness than the child, hence in a situation where you have to be unfair to one or the other, you favor the child's interests over the adult's. There are similarly motivated restrictions on how much you can deny your spouse when you die. This one I don't hang with. Your spouse is presumably an adult, and ought to be able to cope with not getting the estate. But that certainly doesn't stop it from being a serious shitheel type maneuver to leave your spouse in the lurch when you go, and since you're dead at that point you don't really have that much of a compelling interest in the estate any more... But anyway, this has little to do with crypto... Bear
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RE: WSJ: NSA Computer Upgrade
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WSJ: NSA Computer Upgrade
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RE: Toy gun ban: This is pleasantly insane
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: Next thing you know, it will be considered assault to hold your finger like a gun and say "bang". (If it is not already.) Try it in Heathrow airport and you will get ten years. Airports are already a "no humour zone", so that is to be expected... Zero tollerance requires a zero IQ. So with Dufus in the Whitehouse zero tollerance in the US will be comming soon. When Bush Sr. was running for office many people voted for Clinton because "anyone was better". They were wrong. History repeated itself in some sort of sick self-referential joke. I expect that the coming Ashcroft years will make us look back fondly at the Meese and Reno days. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen| to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys. "In the future, everything will have its 15 minutes of blame."
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Read your article. Most of the examples involve pharm companies. I am interested in examples that involve a prime companies that have an outsourcing relationship. Any thoughts? begin:vcard n:Busch;Rebecca tel;cell:630-816-3648 tel;fax:630-574-2755 tel;work:630-574-2756 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:MBA Inc. adr:;;1301 West 22nd street Suite 215;Oak Brook;IL;60523; version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:CEO note;quoted-printable:Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential=0D=0A and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not=0D=0A the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for=0D=0A delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby=0D=0A notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this=0D=0A communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this=0D=0A communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying =0D=0Ato the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you.=0D=0A***=0D=0A fn:Rebecca Busch, RN, MBA, CCM, CFE, FHFMA, end:vcard
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Hi Becky, Which if the several hundred subscribers to the 8+ CDR nodes and potentialy thousands of associated webpages might you be refering to? You seem to have a fuzzy understanding of the concept 'mailing list'. On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, Becky wrote: Read your article. Most of the examples involve pharm companies. I am interested in examples that involve a prime companies that have an outsourcing relationship. Any thoughts? Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. Locke The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
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I was doing an internet search on cor esp. your article was on my hit list. At this point I cannot recall the page. Are you the right person for the subject? Jim Choate wrote: Hi Becky, Which if the several hundred subscribers to the 8+ CDR nodes and potentialy thousands of associated webpages might you be refering to? You seem to have a fuzzy understanding of the concept 'mailing list'. On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, Becky wrote: Read your article. Most of the examples involve pharm companies. I am interested in examples that involve a prime companies that have an outsourcing relationship. Any thoughts? Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. Locke The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- begin:vcard n:Busch;Rebecca tel;cell:630-816-3648 tel;fax:630-574-2755 tel;work:630-574-2756 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:MBA Inc. adr:;;1301 West 22nd street Suite 215;Oak Brook;IL;60523; version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:CEO note;quoted-printable:Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential=0D=0A and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not=0D=0A the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for=0D=0A delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby=0D=0A notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this=0D=0A communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this=0D=0A communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying =0D=0Ato the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you.=0D=0A***=0D=0A fn:Rebecca Busch, RN, MBA, CCM, CFE, FHFMA, end:vcard
Re: corporate espionage
Ok, let me say this again You are sending a note to a distributed mailing list. It has 8 core nodes with each node hosting their own set of independent subscribers. The total number of subscribers is potentaily several hundred. You are acting like you're sending a note to an individual. You are NOT. I happen to be the operator of the ssz.com node and I'm trying to get you to understand that you're request is worthless as worded. ssz.com is NOT the same computer (not even in the same state) as cyberpass.net. We simply share cross-feeds on our traffic. If you would like more info as to why, please visit: http://einstein.ssz.com/cdr The Cypherpunks are a group of people discussing cryptography, civil liberty, and economics. If you're question is in one of those areas then feel free to expand upon your problem. If not you should probably go someplace else. On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, Becky wrote: I was doing an internet search on cor esp. your article was on my hit list. At this point I cannot recall the page. Are you the right person for the subject? Jim Choate wrote: Hi Becky, Which if the several hundred subscribers to the 8+ CDR nodes and potentialy thousands of associated webpages might you be refering to? You seem to have a fuzzy understanding of the concept 'mailing list'. On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, Becky wrote: Read your article. Most of the examples involve pharm companies. I am interested in examples that involve a prime companies that have an outsourcing relationship. Any thoughts? Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. Locke The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
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RE: OK, which node is down? [WAS: Re: Denial of Service Attackon Cypherpunks?]
I received no postings from cyberpass from sometime Monday through this morning. It seems to be back now. Peter -- From: Bill Stewart home email[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] As far as I can tell, I've been receiving this discussion via cyberpass.net, so it must be ok Bill Harmon Seaver wrote: I was subscribed to cyberpass.net, been gone for two days and came home to no cpunks mail. Subscribed to lne and it started flowing again. Pretty weird -- even wierder is what happened to openpgp -- I was subscribed to that one, it went down, came back up, went down again and never a word from the owner since.
Bell Trial Schedule
From: Gordon Jeff TIGTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bell trial schedule Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:13:02 -0500 : : John You will need to be present at the Tacoma Courthouse at 9:00am on Tuesday, 4/3/01. We anticipate you will testify on Tuesday, but it may extend to Wednesday 4/4/01, depending on the pace of the trial, so the return flight should not be scheduled prior to 5pm on 4/4/01. In order to be reimbursed for travel, all travel arrangements need to be made through the Dru Mercer at the US Attorney's office, (206) 553-7970. Let me know if you have any questions. Jeff - To: Gordon Jeff TIGTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bell trial schedule Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:15 -0500 : : Jeff, Thanks for the information. Could you find out if I can buy a transcript of my grand jury testimony before the trial? Robb London has not answered my three inquiries. The court reporters office told me it can be released only with Robb's approval. John
No Subject
Attorney General Ashcroft personally approved your subpoena, and that of another reporter who published admissions by James Dalton Bell. The Government is not seeking any source material, notes, or other unpublished material from you by virtue of this subpoena. The limited purpose of the subpoena is to have you review two of your published articles, acknowledge your authorship, review several of the statements which you attributed to Bell in your articles, and have you verify that he in fact told you those things. That's all. We're only interested in having you testify about statements of his that you published. If your subpoena could have been avoided, it would have been. Unfortunately, the Federal Rules of Evidence do not permit a news article to be admitted into evidence for these purposes unless the person who wrote it can attest to its authorship and the accuracy of its content. This must be done in open court, at trial, and cannot be accomplished by affidavit, unless the defendant is willing to stipulate that your appearance can be avoided and that your articles can be admitted into evidence witho! ut! your appearance as a foundation witness. Mr. Bell is not interested in any such stipulations. I regret any inconvenience that a trip to Tacoma may cause. I am extremely sensitive to the intrusiveness of any subpoena and the potential negative impact that press subpoenas can have on the news gathering function. The subpoena that has been served on you, is, in my experience, as minimally intrusive as any such subpoena can be. Robb London Assistant United States Attorney Western District of Washington
DoJ and Cypherpunks...
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Ellison vs. Gnutella
With the second amended complaint, we were able to add a complaint for vicarious infringement against AOL for the,development of the Gnutella file transfer protocol by its Nullsoft division. Gnutella is Napster without a central processing hub.,By setting up a sting operation, one of our investigators was able to track the infringement of several works by Harlan and,Isaac Asimov using Gnutella. This presents interesting issues regarding the responsibility for the release of software which,effectively pollutes the intellectual property environment. http://www.speculations.com/kick.htm
marines on chicks' leg hair
D. (1) AGENDA ITEM. REQUEST FOR REVISION OF UNIFORM REGULATIONS TO REQUIRE THE REMOVAL OF LEG HAIR ON FEMALE MARINES IF SUCH HAIR IS VISIBLE. (2) DISCUSSION. THE UNIFORM BOARD RECOMMENDED THAT THE FOLLOWING GROOMING REGULATION POLICY BE INCLUDED IN CHAPTER 1 OF THE UNIFORM REGS: "NO FEMALE MARINE WILL BE REQUIRED TO REMOVE LEG HAIR EXCEPT WHERE CONSIDERED UNSIGHTLY AND CANNOT BE COVERED WITH APPROPRIATE HOSIERY AS DESCRIBED IN SUBPARAGRAPH 3027.5." (3) CMC DECISION. APPROVED. http://www.usmc.mil/almars/almararc.nsf/ab422d0547928f548525683900589a0d/9c3d36d73d174b898525683800535c2d?OpenDocumentHighlight=2,352%2F96
DeCSS in perl -- test vectors?
Keith Winstein and Marc Horowitz implemented DeCSS in perl. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/qrpff-fast.pl There is some description of using it here: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ Does anyone have test vectors for DeCSS. If one had a DVD player and a content scrambled DVD one could use the example they give: % /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILE_NAME | qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 | \ extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - Someone want to extract a few frames from a DVD and include the associated plaintext for testing purposes. I'd like to try reduce the size of the program. Adam
