Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-13 Thread KOVÁCS István
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 at 00:46, Terry Pinfold wrote: > > BTW, is there any way to change the default option for this module to my new > preset? You can save a new preset (or edit an existing one), and check the 'auto apply to matching images'.

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-12 Thread Remco Viëtor
On mercredi 13 janvier 2021 01:40:12 CET Bill Martz wrote: > I am not receiving all emails, just some. I didn't receive any that gave > information about the preset, only emails that indicated there was one. > Would someone fill me in? Perhaps check spam folders, I regularly find some mails from

Fw: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-12 Thread Terry Pinfold
List Subject: Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!) Sorry, the URL was broken. Here it is: https://tech.kovacs-telekes.org/files/denoiseprofile_wavelet chroma.dtpreset<https://tech.kovacs-telekes.org/files/denoiseprofile_wavelet chroma.d

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-12 Thread Bill Martz
I am not receiving all emails, just some. I didn't receive any that gave information about the preset, only emails that indicated there was one. Would someone fill me in? Bill Martz On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 6:47 PM Terry Pinfold wrote: > Hi Kofa, > I installed your preset and watched the

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-12 Thread Terry Pinfold
Hi Kofa, I installed your preset and watched the video link. I believe I have improved upon your preset a little. In the YO curve you have dropped every level down to noisy. If for the finest detail (far right) you lift this half way you reduce luma noise without losing any significant level

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-11 Thread Terry Pinfold
Thanks for the link. I will watch it today. I also use contrast equaliser for noise reduction because it is wavelets based. On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 08:57, KOVÁCS István wrote: > I'm glad you find it useful. I read somewhere or saw a video that said > you could play with the noise reduction

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-11 Thread KOVÁCS István
I'm glad you find it useful. I read somewhere or saw a video that said you could play with the noise reduction applied at the different detail levels, but you really had to raise the strength for the settings to be effective (it may have been this video from rawfiner, one of the developers, but I

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-11 Thread Terry Pinfold
Thanks Kova, I have installed it and tested it. It works really well. I recommend others try this for noise reduction. I have a 3200ISO image shot on a Canon G16 (small sensor) and the preset did a great job controlling noise with little compromise to detail. On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 07:30,

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-11 Thread KOVÁCS István
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 at 21:04, Terry Pinfold wrote: > > I went to the link and I saw a bunch of text. How do I copy and save that as > a preset to install? Right-click, Save as..., or simply copy the text that you see in the browser into a file called any-name.dtpreset, or in Firefox press

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-11 Thread Terry Pinfold
Thanks for sharing this Kofa. I went to the link and I saw a bunch of text. How do I copy and save that as a preset to install? I am a Windows user, although I do have access to Linux Mint machines as well. thanks On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 05:53, KOVÁCS István wrote: > Sorry, the URL was broken.

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-11 Thread KOVÁCS István
Sorry, the URL was broken. Here it is: https://tech.kovacs-telekes.org/files/denoiseprofile_wavelet%20chroma.dtpreset darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-11 Thread KOVÁCS István
I usually only filter chroma noise. I find that denoise (profiled) can suppress it very effectively, leaving fine-grained luma noise behind. I've exported my preset, you can grab it here if you like: https://tech.kovacs-telekes.org/files/denoiseprofile_wavelet chroma.dtpreset You can import it

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-10 Thread Bernhard
Terry Pinfold schrieb am 06.01.21 um 05:45: Terry Pinfold schrieb am 06.01.21 um 02:46: Maybe I am reading the wrong release notes? There is also a very readable blog post which discusses the most important changes in more detail: https://www.darktable.org/2020/12/darktable-3-4/ Thanks

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-10 Thread Terry Pinfold
Hi Jason, I agree with your observations. I often use more than one denoise option. I now really like the denoise profiled chrominance only option. give it a try if you haven't already. I have put together this general observation for my students about these two now renamed denoise

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-10 Thread Jason Polak
Just a quick comment on this: the astrophoto denoise (formerly non-local means) is a very effective way to get rid of just colour noise with very little to no loss in image quality, and is certainly not restricted only to astrophotography. I still use it in conjunction with profiled denoise to get

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-09 Thread Terry Pinfold
On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 at 04:12, KOVÁCS István wrote: > > > On Tue, 5 Jan 2021, 23:45 Terry Pinfold, wrote: > >> *"The developers should keep the zone system in my opinion."* >> >> I was also surprised to see some noise reduction modules have disappeared >> > >

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-09 Thread KOVÁCS István
On Tue, 5 Jan 2021, 23:45 Terry Pinfold, wrote: > *"The developers should keep the zone system in my opinion."* > > I was also surprised to see some noise reduction modules have disappeared > https://www.darktable.org/2020/12/darktable-3-4/ Renamed Modules The following modules have been

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-07 Thread Terry Pinfold
. From: Top Rock Photography Sent: Friday, 8 January 2021 4:44 AM To: darktable forum Subject: Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!) FUN with The Zone System I have been intrigued with the zone system since the summer of 1980. By the time I got into my first darkroom

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-07 Thread Top Rock Photography
FUN with The Zone System I have been intrigued with the zone system since the summer of 1980. By the time I got into my first darkroom in 1981, sheet film had been replaced as the de facto by 35 mm roll film (after 120 roll film, of course). Doing the zone system became harder. Then I was

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-07 Thread Pascal Obry
Hi Marc, > I cannot thank you enough for such a great raw editor. >   > I understand that modules are deprecated but may I assume they’ll > remain supported, and embedded in DT, in every future release … ? Yes a deprecated module will never be removed. It wont be in the UI but old edits using it

RE: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-07 Thread marc.cabuy
forum Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!) "The developers should keep the zone system in my opinion." I would tend to agree with Tanya about keeping the zone system. While I much prefer the tone equalizer module over the zone system I f

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-05 Thread Terry Pinfold
Thanks Kofa, I did join recently and read some of the discussions. I have also played with some of the images in playraw before when trying to learn DT. On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 at 16:40, KOVÁCS István wrote: > You could join discuss.pixls.us if you haven't done so, and post a > photo at

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-05 Thread KOVÁCS István
You could join discuss.pixls.us if you haven't done so, and post a photo at https://discuss.pixls.us/c/processing/playraw/30, where others can (and will) develop it in different ways. Many of the developers are also active on pixls.us. Kofa

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-05 Thread Terry Pinfold
On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 at 15:38, Bernhard wrote: > > > Terry Pinfold schrieb am 06.01.21 um 02:46: > > Maybe I am reading the wrong release notes? > There is also a very readable blog post which discusses the most > important changes in more detail: > https://www.darktable.org/2020/12/darktable-3-4/

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-05 Thread Bernhard
Terry Pinfold schrieb am 06.01.21 um 02:46: Maybe I am reading the wrong release notes? There is also a very readable blog post which discusses the most important changes in more detail: https://www.darktable.org/2020/12/darktable-3-4/ -- regards Bernhard https://www.bilddateien.de

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-05 Thread Terry Pinfold
From: Andrew Greig Sent: Wednesday, 6 January 2021 12:56 PM To: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org Subject: Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!) Hi Terry, Check out Bruce Williams excellent four part video series on new stuff in 3.4, he discusses

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-05 Thread Andrew Greig
. Thanks *From:* Martin Straeten *Sent:* Wednesday, 6 January 2021 10:53 AM *To:* Terry Pinfold *Cc:* tanya.rise...@gmail.com ; darktable forum *Subject:* Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!) You can use zone system even it’s deprecated. You

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-05 Thread Terry Pinfold
From: Martin Straeten Sent: Wednesday, 6 January 2021 10:53 AM To: Terry Pinfold Cc: tanya.rise...@gmail.com ; darktable forum Subject: Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!) You can use zone system even it’s deprecated. You just need

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-05 Thread Martin Straeten
You can use zone system even it’s deprecated. You just need to put in into the group you want to find it. or access it by searching for it. Some further denoise modules weren’t removed but renamed - sometimes it’s worth to read release notes .. > Am 05.01.2021 um 23:45 schrieb Terry Pinfold :

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-05 Thread Terry Pinfold
*"The developers should keep the zone system in my opinion."* I would tend to agree with Tanya about keeping the zone system. While I much prefer the tone equalizer module over the zone system I feel having the choice to use or not use the zone system is best. What I really like about DT is the

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-05 Thread Tanya Riseman
Thank you all for the tips on using tone equalizer. I am still digesting them, but have made a lot of progress. I am using DT 3.2 so that I can compare zone system and tone equalizer. I understand that tone equalizer in v. 3.4 is a lot better, but I am putting off upgrading to it due to the lack

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-05 Thread KOVÁCS István
On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 at 19:40, Juan Navarro wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:00 PM KOVÁCS István wrote: >> >> [...] To replicate the same behaviour, you don't >> need the mask: select the 'simple tone curve' preset from the tone >> equalizer (this disables masking), > > > More precisely,

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-05 Thread Juan Navarro
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:00 PM KOVÁCS István wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 at 00:18, Tanya Riseman > wrote: > > > You are supposed to use the tone equalizer module instead of the zone > system module now. According to the manual, zone system is deprecated. > > > > The zone system is pretty easy

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-04 Thread Remco Viëtor
On mardi 5 janvier 2021 00:37:09 CET Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Tanya Riseman [01-04-21 18:20]: > > You are supposed to use the tone equalizer module instead of the zone > > system module now. According to the manual, zone system is deprecated. > > > > This really disappoints me. > > > > The

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-04 Thread KOVÁCS István
On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 at 00:18, Tanya Riseman wrote: > You are supposed to use the tone equalizer module instead of the zone system > module now. According to the manual, zone system is deprecated. > > The zone system is pretty easy for beginners to pick up. > The tone equalizer is much harder to

Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-04 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Tanya Riseman [01-04-21 18:20]: > You are supposed to use the tone equalizer module instead of the zone > system module now. According to the manual, zone system is deprecated. > > This really disappoints me. > > The zone system is pretty easy for beginners to pick up. (I've only used DT >

[darktable-user] DT 3.4 no longer has zone system module (gone!)

2021-01-04 Thread Tanya Riseman
You are supposed to use the tone equalizer module instead of the zone system module now. According to the manual, zone system is deprecated. This really disappoints me. The zone system is pretty easy for beginners to pick up. (I've only used DT since August.) The 2D image of the different zones