Re: [darktable-user] Recommended processing order

2022-08-08 Thread Martin Straeten
There’s no one size fits it all - if you need information of cropped areas you’d better crop late in your workflow, otherwise crop early. For a beginner it’s ok to recommend late cropping so nothing is out of view too early. Hopping back and forward to adjust an improper cropping eats more

[darktable-user] Collections module

2022-08-08 Thread Bruce Williams
Hi all, Not sure if something has changed with v4, or if it's user error on my part, but my Collections module seems to now only search on uncatgeorized or parent tags, but will not search for child tags. Have I done something to cause this? Can I get back the ability to search tags and have child

Re: [darktable-user] Recommended processing order

2022-08-08 Thread Len Philpot
For what it's worth I find that cropping early on enhances my workflow. I don't have a fire breathing computer, so rendering (if not analyzing?) less of the image possibly (?) bumps performance just a little. But mainly, getting rid of content that I know I don't want and getting the image

Re: [darktable-user] Recommended processing order

2022-08-08 Thread Remco Viëtor
On lundi 8 août 2022 20:35:52 CEST Terry Pinfold wrote: > Just looking at the DT pipeline and I see cropping is placed before filmic. > For most images I doubt that cropping would have a significant effect on > tone mapping, but if it is obvious that it would then do it early in the > processing

Re: [darktable-user] Recommended processing order

2022-08-08 Thread Terry Pinfold
Just looking at the DT pipeline and I see cropping is placed before filmic. For most images I doubt that cropping would have a significant effect on tone mapping, but if it is obvious that it would then do it early in the processing steps. I am sure reaching consensus on what to write in the

Re: [darktable-user] Recommended processing order

2022-08-08 Thread Mikael Ståldal
On 2022-08-08 19:06, Remco Viëtor wrote: On lundi 8 août 2022 18:16:55 CEST David Vincent-Jones wrote: My first objective with raw data is to establish the outline and tones of the final image. I use perspective control and cropping prior to any other function. Where these modules come in the

Re: [darktable-user] Recommended processing order

2022-08-08 Thread Remco Viëtor
On lundi 8 août 2022 18:16:55 CEST David Vincent-Jones wrote: > My first objective with raw data is to establish the outline and tones > of the final image. I use perspective control and cropping prior to any > other function. Where these modules come in the 'pipeline' is really of > little

Re: [darktable-user] ETTR and under-expose?

2022-08-08 Thread Remco Viëtor
On lundi 8 août 2022 17:58:38 CEST David Vincent-Jones wrote: > My understanding: > > The 'L' histogram is based on the potential JPEG output however the > R, G, B histograms are based on the RAW data. This was information > offered, I think correctly, from a Fujifilm source. And may very

Re: [darktable-user] Recommended processing order

2022-08-08 Thread David Vincent-Jones
My first objective with raw data is to establish the outline and tones of the final image. I use perspective control and cropping prior to any other function. Where these modules come in the 'pipeline' is really of little importance to me. The 'frame' of the image is key to all further

Re: [darktable-user] ETTR and under-expose?

2022-08-08 Thread David Vincent-Jones
My understanding: The 'L' histogram is based on the potential JPEG output however the R, G, B histograms are based on the RAW data. This was information offered, I think correctly, from a Fujifilm source. I wonder what others think that their camera exposure meter is doing? What do

Re: [darktable-user] Recommended processing order

2022-08-08 Thread Remco Viëtor
On lundi 8 août 2022 11:41:15 CEST Mikael Ståldal wrote: > The > https://docs.darktable.org/usermanual/development/en/overview/workflow/proce > ss/ section in the user manual outlines the recommended processing order. It > places cropping towards the end along with creative adjustments. > Wouldn't

Re: [darktable-user] ETTR and under-expose?

2022-08-08 Thread Terry Pinfold
Well I learnt something new today, the camera histogram is based on the jpeg. What I tell my students is to avoid clipping, if possible, as the detail is lost. Also most noise is in the shadows so ettr is preferable to under exposure to reduce noise, but clipping is the cardinal sin. On Mon, 8

Re: [darktable-user] Recommended processing order

2022-08-08 Thread Terry Pinfold
That would depend on where it falls within the pipeline. I am not on DT at the moment so I am not sure where it is placed. However, today I edited an image and applied cropping before filmic for the reasons you are alluding to. On Mon, 8 Aug 2022, 19:42 Mikael Ståldal, wrote: > The > >

Re: [darktable-user] ETTR and under-expose?

2022-08-08 Thread Remco Viëtor
On lundi 8 août 2022 10:15:47 CEST Mikael Ståldal wrote: > I don't quite understand this section in the manual: > > https://docs.darktable.org/usermanual/development/en/overview/workflow/proce > ss/#take-a-well-exposed-photograph > > It recommends exposure to-the-right (ETTR), but then talks

[darktable-user] Recommended processing order

2022-08-08 Thread Mikael Ståldal
The https://docs.darktable.org/usermanual/development/en/overview/workflow/process/ section in the user manual outlines the recommended processing order. It places cropping towards the end along with creative adjustments. Wouldn't it make more sense to do cropping first, before tone

Re: [darktable-user] ETTR and under-expose?

2022-08-08 Thread Jan Ingwer Baer
ETTR is not over-exposing. It means to use the maximum exposure without highlight clipping for best use of the DR of the camera to preserve most details in shadows. But the problem with most cameras is, that the histogram is normally based on the JPG-processed picture. And that it is often

Re: [darktable-user] ETTR and under-expose?

2022-08-08 Thread Terry Pinfold
This seems to be conflicting info. I would read it as ettr is recommended, however, even under exposing by up to one stop is not detrimental. On Mon, 8 Aug 2022, 18:17 Mikael Ståldal, wrote: > I don't quite understand this section in the manual: > > >

[darktable-user] ETTR and under-expose?

2022-08-08 Thread Mikael Ståldal
I don't quite understand this section in the manual: https://docs.darktable.org/usermanual/development/en/overview/workflow/process/#take-a-well-exposed-photograph It recommends exposure to-the-right (ETTR), but then talks about under-expose images by 0.5 to 1 EV. Isn't ETTR about