RE: [darktable-user] DT can't access files on external hdd with special software

[hieke.vanhoogdalem]

Well... but that goes without saying. The other words would be much clearer.

Hartelijke groet,
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Van: Bernhard  
Verzonden: vrijdag 14 januari 2022 00:12
Aan: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] DT can't access files on external hdd with 
special software

no, not entirely.
Recursive means the current directory plus all subfolders, sub-sub-folders, 
sub-sub-sub-folders etc. and so on ...

Terry Pinfold schrieb am 13.01.22 um 23:21:
> Recursive directories means sub-folders. I am not sure why the term recursive 
> directory was chosen over the common term of sub-folders. I hope you get your 
> problem sorted.
>
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 at 08:27,  wrote:
>
> Tnx guys...
>
> I don’t know what ‘recursive directory’ means, but I already tried to 
> tick and untick the box. It didn’t help.
>
> The software that I bought should make it possible to read the 
> ntfs-formatted disk (wich is possible outside of dt). I don’t know why dt 
> doesn’t support that too.
>
> Hartelijke groet,
>
> Hieke van Hoogdalem
>
> *Van:* Terry Pinfold 
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 13 januari 2022 21:41
> *Aan:* Jean-Luc CECCOLI 
> *CC:* darktable forum 
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [darktable-user] DT can't access files on external hdd 
> with special software
>
> On the DT import function make sure recursive directory is selected. 
> Probably not your issue but I mention just in case
>
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2022, 7:35 am Jean-Luc CECCOLI, 
>  wrote:
>
> Hello Hieke,
>
> Sorry, it took me a while to understand - If I even did it - but it 
> reminds me a similar problem with a HD being shared between a w7 machine and 
> a Ubuntu 16 one.
> Each time the disk was read on the windows machine, I could not read 
> it anymore on my linux one, and had to re-format it.
> It took me long - very lng - to understand that the culprits were 
> the docking stations : they were not as compatible as they claimed to be, as 
> they behaved differently depending the OS they were used on.
> Maybe could this be the same for you ?
>
> Rgrds,
>
> J.-Luc
>
>
>
> *envoyé :*12 janvier 2022 à 14:17
> *de :* Hieke van Hoogdalem 
> *à :* darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
> *objet :* [darktable-user] DT can't access files on external hdd 
> with special software
>
> Hi there,
>
> A few weeks ago we had a conversation about darktable on my 
> Macbook Air (M1) not being able to see (let alone import) photos from my 
> external HDD that I had created on my Windows laptop. The tip was: format it. 
> The HDD is ntfs formatted so I bought and downloaded this license for ease of 
> use and quickness: 
> https://shop.paragon-software.com/277/?scope=checkout=226074=false=paragon2018
>  
> .
>  The installation seems to be done correctly (I got this on screen message 
> saying something like ‘All you have to do now is restart your laptop and 
> enjoy your ntfs files’).
>
> What else can I do to make this work?
>
> I didn’t download the latest version yet. Will it work on M1 
> Macs? The installation notes say that Intel is required – can that be it? I 
> can hardly believe but I just needed to ask.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Hieke van Hoogdalem
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RE: [darktable-user] DT can't access files on external hdd with special software

[hieke.vanhoogdalem]

Tnx, I hope so too... I have the pop-ups in English (wich I prefer) but the 
installation is done in Dutch automatically. I don’t want that. How can I make 
dt ‘speak’ English to me? :-)

@developers: could you please rename ‘recursive directory’ into ‘subfolders’ or 
whatever the correct English name is?
AND... please add info about the M1 macs on the installation page if possible.

 

Kind regards,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 

Van: Terry Pinfold  
Verzonden: donderdag 13 januari 2022 23:21
Aan: Hieke van Hoogdalem 
CC: Jean-Luc CECCOLI ; darktable forum 

Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] DT can't access files on external hdd with 
special software

 

Recursive directories means sub-folders. I am not sure why the term recursive 
directory was chosen over the common term of sub-folders. I hope you get your 
problem sorted. 

 

On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 at 08:27, mailto:hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Tnx guys...

 

I don’t know what ‘recursive directory’ means, but I already tried to tick and 
untick the box. It didn’t help.

 

The software that I bought should make it possible to read the ntfs-formatted 
disk (wich is possible outside of dt). I don’t know why dt doesn’t support that 
too.

 

Hartelijke groet,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 

Van: Terry Pinfold mailto:tpinf...@gmail.com> > 
Verzonden: donderdag 13 januari 2022 21:41
Aan: Jean-Luc CECCOLI mailto:jean-luc.cecc...@wanadoo.fr> >
CC: darktable forum mailto:darktable-user@lists.darktable.org> >
Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] DT can't access files on external hdd with 
special software

 

On the DT import function make sure recursive directory is selected. Probably 
not your issue but I mention just in case

 

On Fri, 14 Jan 2022, 7:35 am Jean-Luc CECCOLI, mailto:jean-luc.cecc...@wanadoo.fr> > wrote:

Hello Hieke,

Sorry, it took me a while to understand - If I even did it - but it reminds me 
a similar problem with a HD being shared between a w7 machine and a Ubuntu 16 
one.
Each time the disk was read on the windows machine, I could not read it anymore 
on my linux one, and had to re-format it.
It took me long - very lng - to understand that the culprits were the 
docking stations : they were not as compatible as they claimed to be, as they 
behaved differently depending the OS they were used on.
Maybe could this be the same for you ?

Rgrds,

J.-Luc

 

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de : Hieke van Hoogdalem mailto:hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com> >
à : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org 
 
objet : [darktable-user] DT can't access files on external hdd with special 
software

 

Hi there,

A few weeks ago we had a conversation about darktable on my Macbook Air (M1) 
not being able to see (let alone import) photos from my external HDD that I had 
created on my Windows laptop. The tip was: format it. The HDD is ntfs formatted 
so I bought and downloaded this license for ease of use and quickness: 
https://shop.paragon-software.com/277/?scope=checkout 

 =226074=false=paragon2018. The installation seems to be 
done correctly (I got this on screen message saying something like ‘All you 
have to do now is restart your laptop and enjoy your ntfs files’).

 

What else can I do to make this work?

 

I didn’t download the latest version yet. Will it work on M1 Macs? The 
installation notes say that Intel is required – can that be it? I can hardly 
believe but I just needed to ask.

 

Kind regards,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 




 
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RE: [darktable-user] DT can't access files on external hdd with special software

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Tnx guys...

 

I don’t know what ‘recursive directory’ means, but I already tried to tick and 
untick the box. It didn’t help.

 

The software that I bought should make it possible to read the ntfs-formatted 
disk (wich is possible outside of dt). I don’t know why dt doesn’t support that 
too.

 

Hartelijke groet,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 

Van: Terry Pinfold  
Verzonden: donderdag 13 januari 2022 21:41
Aan: Jean-Luc CECCOLI 
CC: darktable forum 
Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] DT can't access files on external hdd with 
special software

 

On the DT import function make sure recursive directory is selected. Probably 
not your issue but I mention just in case

 

On Fri, 14 Jan 2022, 7:35 am Jean-Luc CECCOLI, mailto:jean-luc.cecc...@wanadoo.fr> > wrote:

Hello Hieke,

Sorry, it took me a while to understand - If I even did it - but it reminds me 
a similar problem with a HD being shared between a w7 machine and a Ubuntu 16 
one.
Each time the disk was read on the windows machine, I could not read it anymore 
on my linux one, and had to re-format it.
It took me long - very lng - to understand that the culprits were the 
docking stations : they were not as compatible as they claimed to be, as they 
behaved differently depending the OS they were used on.
Maybe could this be the same for you ?

Rgrds,

J.-Luc





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à : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org 
 
objet : [darktable-user] DT can't access files on external hdd with special 
software

 

Hi there,

A few weeks ago we had a conversation about darktable on my Macbook Air (M1) 
not being able to see (let alone import) photos from my external HDD that I had 
created on my Windows laptop. The tip was: format it. The HDD is ntfs formatted 
so I bought and downloaded this license for ease of use and quickness: 
https://shop.paragon-software.com/277/?scope=checkout 

 =226074=false=paragon2018. The installation seems to be 
done correctly (I got this on screen message saying something like ‘All you 
have to do now is restart your laptop and enjoy your ntfs files’).

 

What else can I do to make this work?

 

I didn’t download the latest version yet. Will it work on M1 Macs? The 
installation notes say that Intel is required – can that be it? I can hardly 
believe but I just needed to ask.

 

Kind regards,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 




 
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RE: [darktable-user] DT can't access files on external hdd with special software

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So I did an extra test: I right clicked on a raw file and opened it in dt. That 
went well too. But when I try to open a complete folder from within dt, it 
doesn’t work. The software only sees the disk, but not the files on it, wich 
are visible on the Mac outside of dt. On the website it states that dt only 
works with intel processors on Mac, but I am able to work with dt on my M1 
Macbook Air with files that can be found on the local harddisk.

 

So I’m really curious about how to get my connection with my external HDD 
working.

 

Suggestions are more than welcome!

 

(Kernel permissions haven’t been looked at yet, since it interferes with the 
highest security level of my Macbook and I don’t want that if not strictly 
necessary.) 

 

Kind regards,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 

Van: Hieke van Hoogdalem  
Verzonden: donderdag 13 januari 2022 11:31
Aan: Paul Marfell 
CC: 'darktable-user' 
Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] DT can't access files on external hdd with 
special software

 

Hi Paul et al,

 

Tnx. I forgot to mention that the files can be read when connected to the 
Macbook. I’ll dive into the Kernel permissions first and update you guys later.

 

 

Hartelijke groet,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 

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Datum: donderdag 13 januari 2022 om 10:01
Aan: Hieke van Hoogdalem mailto:hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com> >
Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] DT can't access files on external hdd with 
special software

 

You don't say if the machines are talking to each other. My first thing to look 
at is can the M1 see the files on the Windows box? Using a standard file 
manager/browser on the M1 navigate to the Windows box and the location of the 
image files. Attempt to view them in a file viewer. If that doesn't work then 
dt won't be able to work with the files either. Best then to consult the 
experts in that area before attempting again with dt.

On Wed, 12 Jan 2022, 13:17 Hieke van Hoogdalem, mailto:hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi there,

A few weeks ago we had a conversation about darktable on my Macbook Air (M1) 
not being able to see (let alone import) photos from my external HDD that I had 
created on my Windows laptop. The tip was: format it. The HDD is ntfs formatted 
so I bought and downloaded this license for ease of use and quickness: 
https://shop.paragon-software.com/277/?scope=checkout 

 =226074=false=paragon2018. The installation seems to be 
done correctly (I got this on screen message saying something like ‘All you 
have to do now is restart your laptop and enjoy your ntfs files’). 

 

What else can I do to make this work?

 

I didn’t download the latest version yet. Will it work on M1 Macs? The 
installation notes say that Intel is required – can that be it? I can hardly 
believe but I just needed to ask.

 

Kind regards,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 




 
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RE: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released

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Amen to that!

 

Best wishes and happy healthy 2022 y’all!

 

Kind regards,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 

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Verzonden: vrijdag 24 december 2021 12:51
Aan: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released

 

Hi,

On 24/12/2021 10:02, Pascal Obry wrote: 

We're proud to announce the new feature release of darktable, 3.8.0!

Thank you so much to all who have worked so hard to make DT available to us.  
We are forever in your debt.

Best Wishes to you all

Cheers

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RE: [darktable-user] How to transfer tags from Windows to Mac and how to add files from external disk

[hieke.vanhoogdalem]

Hi Peter,

 

Danke schön. What I don’t understand, is that your external disk and main 
volume for the images in DT have different names. In Windows this was the same. 
Is this due to Apple/Mac?

 

Hartelijke groet,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 

Van: Peter Schlaufer  
Verzonden: dinsdag 14 december 2021 18:03
Aan: hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com
Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] How to transfer tags from Windows to Mac and 
how to add files from external disk

 

I am here again, and I have seen the answer to Daniel. To be able to see the 
images on darktable and also to edit them, you absolutely must import them into 
darktable. And from what I know until now your mac can read your external drive 
(which is not absolutely clear, hence a new Mac is working with APFS (Apple 
File System), but when it shows the pictures i.e in preview, it can read them. 
I do also work with an external drive.

I add a screenshot (Importscreen) of my setup, where in Luminar-1 is the name 
of the external drive, Lightroom Bestände is the main volume for the images in 
darktable and last Ferien Genève Nov 21 is the specific volume of the images. I 
hope this can clarify things:

 

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RE: [darktable-user] Re: How to transfer tags from Windows to Mac and how to add files from external disk

[hieke.vanhoogdalem]

Hi Daniel,

 

Tnx, Peter also explained that. Like I said: I don’t want to import, work and 
export all the time – the paths will be broken every time. I’ll reformat my 
external disk, I guess. But the weird thing is: I can access files from there. 
So I’m not sure that’s the way to go.

 

Hartelijke groet,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 

Van: daniel patin  
Verzonden: dinsdag 14 december 2021 14:08
Aan: hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com
Onderwerp: RE: [darktable-user] Re: How to transfer tags from Windows to Mac 
and how to add files from external disk

 

You must import your photo in the mac. Your external disk is not apple’s 
format. 

 

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Le 14 déc. 2021 à 12:34 +0100, hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com 
 , a écrit :



 

can see the files on my Mac when not using darktable.



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RE: [darktable-user] How to transfer tags from Windows to Mac and how to add files from external disk

[hieke.vanhoogdalem]

Hi!

 

Yes, I downloaded darktable and then wanted to import the images but that’s 
impossible like I discribed.

 

Hartelijke groet,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 

Van: Peter Schlaufer  
Verzonden: dinsdag 14 december 2021 16:51
Aan: hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com
Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] How to transfer tags from Windows to Mac and 
how to add files from external disk

 

Hi Hieke, 

 

That is already a good sign, then the computer can read the data on the drive. 
Now one Question, I assume that your Mac is new and you downloaded darktable. 
If that is so, have you imported the files which you created in Windows into 
the new darktable on the Mac? If not, this is what you have to do first, before 
being able to see and also to edit your pictures in darktable

 

Regards   Peter





Am 14.12.2021 um 12:34 schrieb mailto:hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com> > mailto:hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com> >:

 

Hi Peter,

 

Thanks for your explanation. The thing is: I can see the files on my Mac when 
not using darktable.

 

Hartelijke groet,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 

Van: Peter Schlaufer mailto:pe...@schlaufer.ch> > 
Verzonden: dinsdag 14 december 2021 08:00
Aan: Hieke van Hoogdalem mailto:hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com> >
Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] Re: How to transfer tags from Windows to Mac 
and how to add files from external disk

 

Hi Hieke

It is the Filesystem of the Mac. You have to format the external drive you copy 
the darktable data to exfat, to be able to read the Windows data with the Mac 
you will have to format it either to exfat (better) or to MS Dos Fat, which can 
be read by the Mac. Once you have transferred the data to the Mac you can can 
then reformat the drive in the Mac to be able to use it on its proper system 
APFS. The tags and all the edits you did to your pictures will be preserved, 
when you copy the data with their xmp sidecarfiles. Off course you will need to 
import the pictures in the "new" darktable

I am switching over from Mac to Linux right now, with similar problems

Kind regardsPeter Schlaufer Lucerne Switzerland

Am 13.12.21 um 23:28 schrieb Hieke van Hoogdalem:

Okay I found the external device (under the picto with / behind it). But I 
can’t select the folder I need. All I can do is hover over the folder names.

 

Van: Hieke van Hoogdalem   

Datum: maandag 13 december 2021 om 23:10
Aan:   

Onderwerp: How to transfer tags from Windows to Mac and how to add files from 
external disk

 

Hi y’all,

 

I’m transferring my digital life from a Windows 10 machine to a Macbook, it’s 
my first Apple device ever so I’m new to this all. I installed darktable but 
wasn’t able to import files from my external disk; it’s not being recognized. I 
already searched under ‘+ locations’. I always work from external disks, 
because internal memory gets full too soon and I don’t want to have to change 
directory files in darktable. The import interface looks really different…?

 

I created tags in darktable on Windows. Will they be transferred as information 
in the sidecar files from the photos that have those tags? And if not, how do I 
get them into my new laptop and attached to the correct photos easily?

 

Kind regards,
Hieke van Hoogdalem

 

 

 


 
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RE: [darktable-user] Re: How to transfer tags from Windows to Mac and how to add files from external disk

[hieke.vanhoogdalem]

Hi Peter,

 

Thanks for your explanation. The thing is: I can see the files on my Mac when 
not using darktable.

 

Hartelijke groet,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 

Van: Peter Schlaufer  
Verzonden: dinsdag 14 december 2021 08:00
Aan: Hieke van Hoogdalem 
Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] Re: How to transfer tags from Windows to Mac 
and how to add files from external disk

 

Hi Hieke

It is the Filesystem of the Mac. You have to format the external drive you copy 
the darktable data to exfat, to be able to read the Windows data with the Mac 
you will have to format it either to exfat (better) or to MS Dos Fat, which can 
be read by the Mac. Once you have transferred the data to the Mac you can can 
then reformat the drive in the Mac to be able to use it on its proper system 
APFS. The tags and all the edits you did to your pictures will be preserved, 
when you copy the data with their xmp sidecarfiles. Off course you will need to 
import the pictures in the "new" darktable

I am switching over from Mac to Linux right now, with similar problems

Kind regardsPeter Schlaufer Lucerne Switzerland

Am 13.12.21 um 23:28 schrieb Hieke van Hoogdalem:

Okay I found the external device (under the picto with / behind it). But I 
can’t select the folder I need. All I can do is hover over the folder names.

 

Van: Hieke van Hoogdalem   

Datum: maandag 13 december 2021 om 23:10
Aan:   

Onderwerp: How to transfer tags from Windows to Mac and how to add files from 
external disk

 

Hi y’all,

 

I’m transferring my digital life from a Windows 10 machine to a Macbook, it’s 
my first Apple device ever so I’m new to this all. I installed darktable but 
wasn’t able to import files from my external disk; it’s not being recognized. I 
already searched under ‘+ locations’. I always work from external disks, 
because internal memory gets full too soon and I don’t want to have to change 
directory files in darktable. The import interface looks really different…?

 

I created tags in darktable on Windows. Will they be transferred as information 
in the sidecar files from the photos that have those tags? And if not, how do I 
get them into my new laptop and attached to the correct photos easily?

 

Kind regards,
Hieke van Hoogdalem

 

 

 


 
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RE: [darktable-user] RE: default tagging case sensitivity harms the collections custom sort in lighttable

[hieke.vanhoogdalem]

Thanks. I'm not willing to dive into al these files though, I'm not a
programmer. Building websites with HTML and CSS back in the days was hard
enough :-)

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Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] RE: default tagging case sensitivity harms
the collections custom sort in lighttable

On Mon, 6 Dec 2021 09:16:18 -0500
Patrick Shanahan  wrote:

> I do not know via the menu's, but in
> ~/.config/darktable/darktablerc, it is:
> plugins/lighttable/tagging/case_sensitivity=insensitive
> 
> if you edit ~/.config/darktable/darktablerc, be sure to close dt first 
> and open *after* the edit(s).

I just checked on my setup. It's already set to insensitive and I didn't
change anything, because I wasn't aware of it.

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RE: [darktable-user] RE: default tagging case sensitivity harms the collections custom sort in lighttable

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?

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the collections custom sort in lighttable

* hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com  [12-06-21
06:19]:
> Thanks! But ehm... Where do I find that 'tags case sensitivity' setting?
And when I tagged images - how do I retreive them by tag?
> 
> Hartelijke groet,
> Hieke van Hoogdalem
> 
> 
> 
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> Onderwerp: default tagging case sensitivity harms the collections 
> custom sort in lighttable
> 
> Hey, thank you, I didn't know this.  
> 
> In trying it out I found that it is better to turn on "tags case
sensitivity" in the collections settings of the lighttable. When selecting a
collection according to a tag while the collections setting is on the
default "non-(case)-sensitive", the custom sorting may not work as expected.
The tags are shown entirely in lowercase when selecting, while what is being
displayed may contain some pictures tagged with uppercase characters. Trying
the custom sort was not working well. So the solution was turn on "tags case
sensitivity".  When selecting a collection, the tags are then shown in
lowercase and uppercase as they were initially assigned. Eventually I had to
re-tag to have consistent use of upper- and lowercase. 
> 
> Regards,
> Marc.
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> Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] 3 different questions
> 
> 
> Am 02.12.21 um 01:54 schrieb Tanya Riseman:
> ..
> > You can't change the order of images directly by dragging like in 
> > Lightroom.
> ..
> > 3. There is also a sort by "custom sort" which I just noticed, but I 
> > don't know how to use that. Worth looking into.
> 
> 
> If you choose in lighttable "custom sort", you can change the order of
images directly by dragging.
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I do not know via the menu's, but in ~/.config/darktable/darktablerc, it
is: plugins/lighttable/tagging/case_sensitivity=insensitive

if you edit ~/.config/darktable/darktablerc, be sure to close dt first and
open *after* the edit(s).

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[darktable-user] RE: default tagging case sensitivity harms the collections custom sort in lighttable

[hieke.vanhoogdalem]

Thanks! But ehm... Where do I find that 'tags case sensitivity' setting? And 
when I tagged images - how do I retreive them by tag?

Hartelijke groet,
Hieke van Hoogdalem



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Onderwerp: default tagging case sensitivity harms the collections custom sort 
in lighttable

Hey, thank you, I didn't know this.  

In trying it out I found that it is better to turn on "tags case sensitivity" 
in the collections settings of the lighttable. When selecting a collection 
according to a tag while the collections setting is on the default 
"non-(case)-sensitive", the custom sorting may not work as expected. The tags 
are shown entirely in lowercase when selecting, while what is being displayed 
may contain some pictures tagged with uppercase characters. Trying the custom 
sort was not working well. So the solution was turn on "tags case sensitivity". 
 When selecting a collection, the tags are then shown in lowercase and 
uppercase as they were initially assigned. Eventually I had to re-tag to have 
consistent use of upper- and lowercase. 

Regards,
Marc.

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Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] 3 different questions


Am 02.12.21 um 01:54 schrieb Tanya Riseman:
...
> You can't change the order of images directly by dragging like in 
> Lightroom.
...
> 3. There is also a sort by "custom sort" which I just noticed, but I 
> don't know how to use that. Worth looking into.


If you choose in lighttable "custom sort", you can change the order of images 
directly by dragging.


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RE: [darktable-user] 3 different questions

[hieke.vanhoogdalem]

@Terry,

I use star ratings indeed, but this still is a rating or collection/selection 
within a certain folder on my harddisk. It would be great if I can mix ‘m up. 
To give an idea: I have images from several vacations that I’m going to split 
up to new selections. The original folders are based on the vacations, the new 
selections on categories like ‘architecture’ and ‘nature/landscapes’. Those 
categories aren’t limited to the original folders anymore.

 

About the histograms: I don’t rely on them heavily either and (fortunately?) I 
don’t have an Adobe background. Well, except for the use of Photoshop Elements. 
I would indeed like to see some examples of the different histograms with 
explanation.

And is there a short and clear explanation on the differences of these 
histograms?

 

@Marc,
Thanks for your answer. This might actually work for question 1.

 

@all: I’m still looking for an option that helps me show a selection. Example: 
I have a selection of 20 photos in – say – my category ‘Architecture’. All 
photos are good enough, the have enough stars or the right color given to them. 
Now I want to minimize the selection to a series of 12. Therefore I want to try 
several combinations without having to tag (and detag) them all the time. I 
know that Lightroom has the option to select images and press some button to 
see the selection. That makes it easy to quickly decide what works. I’d really 
like something like this. I could really use that!

 

Hartelijke groet,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 

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Aan: 'Terry Pinfold' ; 'Hieke van Hoogdalem' 

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Onderwerp: RE: [darktable-user] 3 different questions

 

Dag Hieke,

 

For your folders question: it is possible to tag with subdivisions. I do that 
for my work for the photo art school versus my personal work. The tags may look 
like this:

*   school|cityscapes
*   school|portraits
*   projects|myfamily
*   projects|street

You can assign multiple tags to a single picture. For instance a portrait of my 
son my appear under school|portraits and projects|myfamily. Or the same picture 
may appear in school|cityscapes and projects|street.

Bruce Williams has some youtube video’s on the use of the darktable database 
and the lighttable. Some of them may be a bit confusing at this point in time 
because explained for a former version. But the tagging works as he explains. 
You may want to have a look at these.

 

Hope this helps,

met vriendelijke groet,

Marc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Verzonden: woensdag 1 december 2021 23:26
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CC: darktable forum mailto:darktable-user@lists.darktable.org> >
Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] 3 different questions

 

Hi Hartelijke groet,

someone else may come with a better answer for your question. 
Lightroom uses collections which can be very convenient. However, a possible 
easy solution for you is to give the images a color or star rating so that you 
can easily filter the view to see a selection of images. 

 

As for histograms, I was teaching my students about this last night. The answer 
I always give is to use either log or linear based upon which one gives the 
best information. There is no hard and fast rule to which one is best. Many 
average scenes may look great with linear, but with some scenes where there are 
fewer bright or dark pixels these may be not obvious on a linear histogram but 
become very obvious on a log histogram. Just switch between the two and decide 
which is best for the individual image. I would also like to point out that 
coming from an Adobe background for image editing I relied heavily upon 
histograms for editing. Having watched numerous videos by the Aurelien who is 
the developer of many Darktable modules I have come to view over dependence on 
the histogram as painting by numbers. The look is the most important bit when 
editing. When using the linear histogram you adjusted the image until it looked 
good and there was no obvious clipping. That is great. However, the log 
histogram detected a few extreme pixels which were clipped. These may have been 
a small number of  black or white pixels that were at the extremes and not 
significant to the image. The log display histogram overstates their importance 
for this single image. If you want to see some examples of what I mean, just 
ask. 

 

On Thu, 2 Dec 2021 at 08:19, mailto:hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi y’all,

 

I have 3 questions:

 

1.  Is there a possibility to make folders in Darktable for subselections 
of your work? Say I’m working on a series and I’m trying different 
combinations, it would be handy if I had the option to create/save those series 
somewhere, from within Darktable. I hear Lightroom has something like that and 
I figure it’s very helpful. >> [1a] It would also be 

RE: [darktable-user] 3 different questions

[hieke.vanhoogdalem]

Hi Tanya,

 

Tnx. I mean more than 2 pictures open at the same time to see if the order 
works, for instance. So... no, unfortunately this was not was I was looking for.

 

Hartelijke groet,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 

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Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] 3 different questions

 

Hi Hieke,

 

 For question 2, you might like "click to enter full preview layout" icon 
(which is after the two XY culling icons. This icon is a rectangle with arrows 
pointing to the corners. It shows one image at a time as large as possible. The 
left-right arrows work to move through your images. Type W to exit. 

Is this what you want?

 

You can't change the order of images directly by dragging like in Lightroom. 
But here is a work-around. 

1. Use a tag like "myAlbumn_cats" and In collections, choose tags (instead of 
filmroll) with the selection of myAlbum_cats. This is what marc.cabuy suggested.

2. At the top middle is "sort by" with a long list of options. If you sort by 
title, you could title your images "1", "2", "3" and so get the order you want. 
Or you could use the description field instead. 

3. There is also a sort by "custom sort" which I just noticed, but I don't know 
how to use that. Worth looking into.

 

Tanya Riseman

 

 

On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 4:19 PM mailto:hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi y’all,

 

I have 3 questions:

 

1.  Is there a possibility to make folders in Darktable for subselections 
of your work? Say I’m working on a series and I’m trying different 
combinations, it would be handy if I had the option to create/save those series 
somewhere, from within Darktable. I hear Lightroom has something like that and 
I figure it’s very helpful. >> [1a] It would also be helpful if the order can 
be changed, to see what order works best for that selection.
2.  Can I select more than 2 pictures and show them as a series in a pop-up 
or different screen? Like culling, but for more images. >> [2a: Again... It 
would also be helpful if the order can be changed, to see what order works best 
for that selection..]
3.  I discovered that the histogram box shows 2 different kinds of 
histograms. I don’t understand the difference. (Logarithmic/lineair.) What’s 
the best option for newbies to histograms? I was looking at an image that 
seemed great, but the histo was way clipped. Then I discoverd the lineair 
version and nothing was clipped at al. Of course I look at the picture for the 
results, but I also want to work with the histogram more. I understand the 
basic idea, but I don’t know for wich version that goes :-)

 

Oh and culling doesn’t work well. Sometimes it’s okay, sometimes I see another 
selection being enlarged. In that case 1 is from my selection and the other is 
the one next to it, but something I selected. Since I’ll be working on a 
Macbook Air next week I’m not diving into this too much now. At this point I’m 
still working on a Windows 10 64 bit machine, don’t know if that’s helpful info.

 

Hartelijke groet,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 


 
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[hieke.vanhoogdalem]

Hi y'all,

 

I have 3 questions:

 

1.  Is there a possibility to make folders in Darktable for
subselections of your work? Say I'm working on a series and I'm trying
different combinations, it would be handy if I had the option to create/save
those series somewhere, from within Darktable. I hear Lightroom has
something like that and I figure it's very helpful. >> [1a] It would also be
helpful if the order can be changed, to see what order works best for that
selection.
2.  Can I select more than 2 pictures and show them as a series in a
pop-up or different screen? Like culling, but for more images. >> [2a:
Again... It would also be helpful if the order can be changed, to see what
order works best for that selection..]
3.  I discovered that the histogram box shows 2 different kinds of
histograms. I don't understand the difference. (Logarithmic/lineair.) What's
the best option for newbies to histograms? I was looking at an image that
seemed great, but the histo was way clipped. Then I discoverd the lineair
version and nothing was clipped at al. Of course I look at the picture for
the results, but I also want to work with the histogram more. I understand
the basic idea, but I don't know for wich version that goes :-)

 

Oh and culling doesn't work well. Sometimes it's okay, sometimes I see
another selection being enlarged. In that case 1 is from my selection and
the other is the one next to it, but something I selected. Since I'll be
working on a Macbook Air next week I'm not diving into this too much now. At
this point I'm still working on a Windows 10 64 bit machine, don't know if
that's helpful info.

 

Hartelijke groet,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 



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RE: [darktable-user] My raw files show black and white in lighttable, but not in darkroom

[hieke.vanhoogdalem]

tnx

Hartelijke groet,
Hieke van Hoogdalem



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lighttable, but not in darkroom



Guillermo Rozas schrieb am 08.11.21 um 14:53:
> If you want to recover that JPG rendition from your camera (and you're 
> not saving RAW+JPG), exiftool can extract the embedded JPG from the RAW file.
exactly.
Only drawback might be that Fuji does not embed full resolution.
e. g.
X-T30 RAF 14bit
compressed  RAW: 6384 x 4182


JPG-from-RAW: 4416 x 2944

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[darktable-user] RE: My raw files show black and white in lighttable, but not in darkroom

[hieke.vanhoogdalem]

Oh and my raw files are RAF, from a Fuji X-T30.

 

Hartelijke groet,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 

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Verzonden: maandag 8 november 2021 14:45
Aan: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
Onderwerp: My raw files show black and white in lighttable, but not in
darkroom

 

Hi y'all,

 

I took some images in black and white. When I open the folder in Lighttable,
that's visible. But when I want to inspect them individually in Darkroom,
I'm seeing full colour. I clicked on all items in the history stack, but
they show colour too.

 

Of course I can edit them and make 'm B, but I guess an initial output of
what my raw files took in B should be somewhere... but where do I find
that?

 

I'm working on a Windows 10 64 bit laptop.

 

I hope you can help me out, obtaining the output the way I saw it when
taking the picture.

 

Kind regards,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 



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Hi y'all,

 

I took some images in black and white. When I open the folder in Lighttable,
that's visible. But when I want to inspect them individually in Darkroom,
I'm seeing full colour. I clicked on all items in the history stack, but
they show colour too.

 

Of course I can edit them and make 'm B, but I guess an initial output of
what my raw files took in B should be somewhere... but where do I find
that?

 

I'm working on a Windows 10 64 bit laptop.

 

I hope you can help me out, obtaining the output the way I saw it when
taking the picture.

 

Kind regards,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 



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RE: [darktable-user] Comparison selection gives wrong pictures

[hieke.vanhoogdalem]

Hi!

 

I’m culling 2 pics. I expect the 2 selected photos to open next to each other, 
but the selection doesn’t correspond with the result.

 

Version: 3.4.1.1.

 

Hartelijke groet,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 

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Verzonden: donderdag 10 juni 2021 21:04
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Hi Hieke,

 

A little more information would be helpful.  What version of darktable are you 
using.  What did you expect to happen when you pressed X?  I'm assuming that 
it's set up as a shortcut to do something, but I'm not sure what.

 

Thanks,

 

Bill

 

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 2:53 PM mailto:hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi!

 

Today I had a photoshoot. I’m now comparing different photos that are almost 
the same, selecting 2 images and pressing X on my Windows 10 machine. The weird 
thing is: the selection is incorrect; it gives the second picture of the 
selection and the one that follows but was not selected. I tried to close and 
open DT, but that didn’t solve the problem.

 

Any ideas about how to fix this? I can select the wrong ones, but when I have 
to compare the 2 top images, that won’t work. And it’s not ideal to have think 
about what to select to get the right result.

 

Kind regards,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 


 
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[hieke.vanhoogdalem]

Hi!

 

Today I had a photoshoot. I'm now comparing different photos that are almost
the same, selecting 2 images and pressing X on my Windows 10 machine. The
weird thing is: the selection is incorrect; it gives the second picture of
the selection and the one that follows but was not selected. I tried to
close and open DT, but that didn't solve the problem.

 

Any ideas about how to fix this? I can select the wrong ones, but when I
have to compare the 2 top images, that won't work. And it's not ideal to
have think about what to select to get the right result.

 

Kind regards,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 



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[darktable-user] How to create favourites in new version of DT

[hieke.vanhoogdalem]

Hi!

 

Due to ransomware on my back-up NAS that synced with my laptop, I had to
rebuild my entire laptop, including reinstalling DT. I lost my favourites so
I started to mark the same modules I used to have in that group, but I can't
find how to do that. I read that it's possible on 
https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/module-reference/utility-modules/dar
kroom/manage-module-layouts/ but when I hover over a module or click on the
icons next to it, I can't find something like 'mark as favourite' anymore.

 

How do I create my own list of favourites?

Tnx!

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