Re: [darktable-user] ETTR and under-expose?

2022-08-09 Thread Terry Pinfold
But until filmic v6 with Max Rgb chrominance preservation as we approached extremities desaturation was imposed upon us despite the linear relationship of the sensor. That is what my student observed. That was AP's interpretation of natural processing based upon his experience and viewpoint. AP

Re: [darktable-user] ETTR and under-expose?

2022-08-09 Thread Remco Viëtor
On mardi 9 août 2022 10:27:39 CEST Terry Pinfold wrote: > " worked fine for me with darktable and ETTR (or almost R, leaving some > space on the right side, before risking overexposure)." > > I taught one of my photography students who was a painter and therefore > very sensitive to subtle colour

Re: [darktable-user] ETTR and under-expose?

2022-08-09 Thread Terry Pinfold
" worked fine for me with darktable and ETTR (or almost R, leaving some space on the right side, before risking overexposure)." I taught one of my photography students who was a painter and therefore very sensitive to subtle colour changes in images about ETTR. She later taught me that pushing

Re: [darktable-user] ETTR and under-expose?

2022-08-09 Thread Michael Staats
On 08/08/2022 12:06, Terry Pinfold wrote: Well I learnt something new today,  the camera histogram is based on the jpeg. What I tell my students is to avoid clipping, if possible, as the detail is lost. Also most noise is in the shadows so ettr is preferable to under exposure to reduce noise,

Re: [darktable-user] ETTR and under-expose?

2022-08-08 Thread Remco Viëtor
On lundi 8 août 2022 17:58:38 CEST David Vincent-Jones wrote: > My understanding: > > The 'L' histogram is based on the potential JPEG output however the > R, G, B histograms are based on the RAW data. This was information > offered, I think correctly, from a Fujifilm source. And may very

Re: [darktable-user] ETTR and under-expose?

2022-08-08 Thread David Vincent-Jones
My understanding: The 'L' histogram is based on the potential JPEG output however the R, G, B histograms are based on the RAW data. This was information offered, I think correctly, from a Fujifilm source. I wonder what others think that their camera exposure meter is doing? What do

Re: [darktable-user] ETTR and under-expose?

2022-08-08 Thread Terry Pinfold
Well I learnt something new today, the camera histogram is based on the jpeg. What I tell my students is to avoid clipping, if possible, as the detail is lost. Also most noise is in the shadows so ettr is preferable to under exposure to reduce noise, but clipping is the cardinal sin. On Mon, 8

Re: [darktable-user] ETTR and under-expose?

2022-08-08 Thread Remco Viëtor
On lundi 8 août 2022 10:15:47 CEST Mikael Ståldal wrote: > I don't quite understand this section in the manual: > > https://docs.darktable.org/usermanual/development/en/overview/workflow/proce > ss/#take-a-well-exposed-photograph > > It recommends exposure to-the-right (ETTR), but then talks

Re: [darktable-user] ETTR and under-expose?

2022-08-08 Thread Jan Ingwer Baer
ETTR is not over-exposing. It means to use the maximum exposure without highlight clipping for best use of the DR of the camera to preserve most details in shadows. But the problem with most cameras is, that the histogram is normally based on the JPG-processed picture. And that it is often

Re: [darktable-user] ETTR and under-expose?

2022-08-08 Thread Terry Pinfold
This seems to be conflicting info. I would read it as ettr is recommended, however, even under exposing by up to one stop is not detrimental. On Mon, 8 Aug 2022, 18:17 Mikael Ståldal, wrote: > I don't quite understand this section in the manual: > > >

[darktable-user] ETTR and under-expose?

2022-08-08 Thread Mikael Ståldal
I don't quite understand this section in the manual: https://docs.darktable.org/usermanual/development/en/overview/workflow/process/#take-a-well-exposed-photograph It recommends exposure to-the-right (ETTR), but then talks about under-expose images by 0.5 to 1 EV. Isn't ETTR about