Re: [datameet] #savethemap Meeting at CIS tomorrow at 4 to 6pm

[Raman Chima]

Hiya,

I would like to join Nisha. I can only join from around 4:30 to 5:30PM
though; I unfortunately have other meetings in between.

I am happy to share what I know on background (take a little bit of that
former police chap's words with a pinch of salt) and help on next steps
with respect to policy and advocacy - at least what I can try to help with.

Raman.

On 10 May 2016 at 19:54, Vaishnavi Jayakumar (Inclusive India) <
vaishnavi.jayaku...@inclusiveindia.info> wrote:

> FYI - Update
>
> MHA open to reviewing of draft Geospatial Bill
> 
>
> *10-May-2016*
>
> *According to the draft ‘The Geospatial Information Regulation Bill 2016’,
> it will be mandatory to take permission from a government authority before
> acquiring, disseminating, publishing or distributing any geospatial
> information on India.*
>
> Even as the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) agreed to review a
> much-criticised draft Bill that proposes jail term of seven years and a
> fine up to Rs. 100 crore for wrongly depicting the map of India, officials
> said the Bill was first drafted in 2012 and the January 2 attack at the
> Pathankot airbase was the immediate trigger for reintroducing the Bill.
>
> Three days after the draft Geospatial Information Regulation Bill, 2016
> was uploaded on the Home Ministry’s website seeking comments from the
> public, the government on Monday indicated that it was open to review its
> contents and consider all suggestions that are to come in the next one
> month.
>
> The draft Bill has come under scathing criticism on social media and other
> online platforms for its draconian features.
>
> *‘Send valid suggestions’*
>
> Uttarakhand DGP M.A. Ganapathy who was one of the officials to draft the
> Bill during his stint in the MHA, told The Hindu, “instead of getting
> hysterical, people should send valid and sane suggestions to oppose the
> draft Bill. This is at a draft stage and the idea was to invite comments.”
>
> Another official involved in drafting the Bill said, “this Bill has been
> in the works since 2012. A committee of secretaries (CoS) had submitted a
> report calling for an regulatory body to monitor the Internet giants like
> Google and Microsoft. How else do you regulate them, by begging?”
> The official added that the investigations in the Pathankot airbase attack
> revealed that the terrorists who got into the airbase had precise
> information about its topography. “The Pathankot airbase and other
> strategic locations are easily available on Google maps and it has become
> easier for terrorists to plan an attack. When Pathankot happened, we
> decided that this was the time to revisit the Bill,” said the official.
>
> According to the draft Bill, it will be mandatory to take permission from
> a government authority before acquiring, disseminating, publishing or
> distributing any geospatial information of India. "No person shall depict,
> disseminate, publish or distribute any wrong or false topographic
> information of India including international boundaries through internet
> platforms or online services or in any electronic or physical form.
> "Whoever acquired any geospatial information of India in contravention of
> the law shall be punished with a fine ranging from Rs 1 crore to Rs 100
> crore and/ or imprisonment for a period upto seven years," according to the
> draft bill. The government also proposed to set up a Security Vetting
> Authority to carry out security vetting of the Geospatial Information of
> India in a time bound manner and as per the regulations framed by an apex
> committee.
>
> However, there have been criticism from various quarters saying the
> provisions of the draft bill are stringent and may violate privacy of
> individuals.
>
> The Home Ministry official discounted the apprehensions saying except
> authorised agencies, that too after due permission, no one can invade
> anyone's privacy.
>
> Geospatial Information means geospatial imagery or data acquired through
> space or aerial platforms such as satellite, aircrafts, airships, balloons,
> unmanned aerial vehicles including value addition or graphical or digital
> data depicting natural or man-made physical features, phenomenon or
> boundaries of the earth or any information related thereto including
> surveys, charts, maps, terrestrial photos referenced to co-ordinate system
> and having attributes.
>
>
> http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/map-issue-govt-ready-for-review-of-geospatial-bill/article8576356.ece
>
>
> *Govt may review provisions of draft Geospatial Bill
> *
>
> *PTI | May 9, 2016, 06.32 PM IST*
>
> *New Delhi, May 9 () *Facing criticism, the government today indicated
> that it was ready for review of the provisions of a draft bill that
> proposes jail term 

Re: [datameet] #savethemap Meeting at CIS tomorrow at 4 to 6pm

[Vaishnavi Jayakumar (Inclusive India)]

FYI - Update

MHA open to reviewing of draft Geospatial Bill


*10-May-2016*

*According to the draft ‘The Geospatial Information Regulation Bill 2016’,
it will be mandatory to take permission from a government authority before
acquiring, disseminating, publishing or distributing any geospatial
information on India.*

Even as the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) agreed to review a
much-criticised draft Bill that proposes jail term of seven years and a
fine up to Rs. 100 crore for wrongly depicting the map of India, officials
said the Bill was first drafted in 2012 and the January 2 attack at the
Pathankot airbase was the immediate trigger for reintroducing the Bill.

Three days after the draft Geospatial Information Regulation Bill, 2016 was
uploaded on the Home Ministry’s website seeking comments from the public,
the government on Monday indicated that it was open to review its contents
and consider all suggestions that are to come in the next one month.

The draft Bill has come under scathing criticism on social media and other
online platforms for its draconian features.

*‘Send valid suggestions’*

Uttarakhand DGP M.A. Ganapathy who was one of the officials to draft the
Bill during his stint in the MHA, told The Hindu, “instead of getting
hysterical, people should send valid and sane suggestions to oppose the
draft Bill. This is at a draft stage and the idea was to invite comments.”

Another official involved in drafting the Bill said, “this Bill has been in
the works since 2012. A committee of secretaries (CoS) had submitted a
report calling for an regulatory body to monitor the Internet giants like
Google and Microsoft. How else do you regulate them, by begging?”
The official added that the investigations in the Pathankot airbase attack
revealed that the terrorists who got into the airbase had precise
information about its topography. “The Pathankot airbase and other
strategic locations are easily available on Google maps and it has become
easier for terrorists to plan an attack. When Pathankot happened, we
decided that this was the time to revisit the Bill,” said the official.

According to the draft Bill, it will be mandatory to take permission from a
government authority before acquiring, disseminating, publishing or
distributing any geospatial information of India. "No person shall depict,
disseminate, publish or distribute any wrong or false topographic
information of India including international boundaries through internet
platforms or online services or in any electronic or physical form.
"Whoever acquired any geospatial information of India in contravention of
the law shall be punished with a fine ranging from Rs 1 crore to Rs 100
crore and/ or imprisonment for a period upto seven years," according to the
draft bill. The government also proposed to set up a Security Vetting
Authority to carry out security vetting of the Geospatial Information of
India in a time bound manner and as per the regulations framed by an apex
committee.

However, there have been criticism from various quarters saying the
provisions of the draft bill are stringent and may violate privacy of
individuals.

The Home Ministry official discounted the apprehensions saying except
authorised agencies, that too after due permission, no one can invade
anyone's privacy.

Geospatial Information means geospatial imagery or data acquired through
space or aerial platforms such as satellite, aircrafts, airships, balloons,
unmanned aerial vehicles including value addition or graphical or digital
data depicting natural or man-made physical features, phenomenon or
boundaries of the earth or any information related thereto including
surveys, charts, maps, terrestrial photos referenced to co-ordinate system
and having attributes.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/map-issue-govt-ready-for-review-of-geospatial-bill/article8576356.ece


*Govt may review provisions of draft Geospatial Bill
*

*PTI | May 9, 2016, 06.32 PM IST*

*New Delhi, May 9 () *Facing criticism, the government today indicated that
it was ready for review of the provisions of a draft bill that proposes
jail term of seven years and a fine upto Rs 100 crore if anyone wrongly
depicts India's map.

A top Home Ministry official said the draft 'The Geospatial Information
Regulation Bill 2016' has been made public seeking views and suggestions of
general public on its various provisions.

"We are open to consider all suggestions that will come in next one month,"
the official said.

According to the draft 'The Geospatial Information Regulation Bill 2016',
it will be mandatory to take permission from a government authority before
acquiring, disseminating, publishing or distributing any geospatial
information of India. "No person shall depict, 

[datameet] #savethemap Meeting at CIS tomorrow at 4 to 6pm

[Nisha Thompson]

A meetup has been scheduled to discuss and plan next steps for #savethemap
at Centre for Internet and Society.

https://goo.gl/maps/yhNZEsx1Pxv

If you aren't in Bangalore I believe we will try to do a hangout or skype
call for people to join.

Nisha



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Re: [datameet] [Draft for Consultation]: National Geo-spatial Policy, 2016.

[Devdatta Tengshe]

Nisha is completely correct.

This policy is for the DST, and ISRO in particular. It talks about how
government agencies to create spatial data, and share it with the public in
an easy to consume manner.  This Policy infact dilutes some of the
restrictions which were present in 'The Remote Sensing Data Policy',


Regards,
Devdatta

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Nisha Thompson  wrote:

> I'm going to clarify this
>
> But my understanding (no one quote me) is that this is a policy for DST
> not a law which the GIS Reg Bill would be. So they are not really opposed
> to each other but show the amount of discord within the government.
>
> Nisha
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 2:27 PM, shirish शिरीष 
> wrote:
>
>> at bottom :-
>>
>> On 10/05/2016, H. S. Sudhira  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> >
>> http://www.dst.gov.in/news/national-geospatial-policy-public-consultation-upto-300516-your-views-may-be-send
>> >
>> > National Geospatial Policy for public consultation upto 30.05.16. Your
>> > views may be send to bhoopsi...@nic.in
>> >
>> > The draft policy is made available here:
>> >
>> http://www.dst.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-NGP-Ver%201%20ammended_05May2016.pdf
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Sudhira.
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Would it be possible to use some cloud service where both the
>> proposals are side-to-side and there is possibility of examining tone,
>> tenor, language and terminology which is changed between the two.
>>
>> And as pointed out by a later poster, this seems to be in direct
>> opposition to the one shared by MHA. I haven't gone through the draft
>> from DST but from what has been told in the email, this seems to be
>> better.
>>
>> Look forward to know what people make of it.
>> --
>>   Regards,
>>   Shirish Agarwal  शिरीष अग्रवाल
>>   My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0
>> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/
>> http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com
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>
>
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Re: [datameet] [Draft for Consultation]: National Geo-spatial Policy, 2016.

[Nisha Thompson]

I'm going to clarify this

But my understanding (no one quote me) is that this is a policy for DST not
a law which the GIS Reg Bill would be. So they are not really opposed to
each other but show the amount of discord within the government.

Nisha

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 2:27 PM, shirish शिरीष 
wrote:

> at bottom :-
>
> On 10/05/2016, H. S. Sudhira  wrote:
>
> 
>
> >
> http://www.dst.gov.in/news/national-geospatial-policy-public-consultation-upto-300516-your-views-may-be-send
> >
> > National Geospatial Policy for public consultation upto 30.05.16. Your
> > views may be send to bhoopsi...@nic.in
> >
> > The draft policy is made available here:
> >
> http://www.dst.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-NGP-Ver%201%20ammended_05May2016.pdf
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Sudhira.
>
> Hi all,
>
> Would it be possible to use some cloud service where both the
> proposals are side-to-side and there is possibility of examining tone,
> tenor, language and terminology which is changed between the two.
>
> And as pointed out by a later poster, this seems to be in direct
> opposition to the one shared by MHA. I haven't gone through the draft
> from DST but from what has been told in the email, this seems to be
> better.
>
> Look forward to know what people make of it.
> --
>   Regards,
>   Shirish Agarwal  शिरीष अग्रवाल
>   My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/
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Re: [datameet] [Draft for Consultation]: National Geo-spatial Policy, 2016.

[shirish शिरीष]

at bottom :-

On 10/05/2016, H. S. Sudhira  wrote:



> http://www.dst.gov.in/news/national-geospatial-policy-public-consultation-upto-300516-your-views-may-be-send
>
> National Geospatial Policy for public consultation upto 30.05.16. Your
> views may be send to bhoopsi...@nic.in
>
> The draft policy is made available here:
> http://www.dst.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-NGP-Ver%201%20ammended_05May2016.pdf
>
>
> Cheers,
> Sudhira.

Hi all,

Would it be possible to use some cloud service where both the
proposals are side-to-side and there is possibility of examining tone,
tenor, language and terminology which is changed between the two.

And as pointed out by a later poster, this seems to be in direct
opposition to the one shared by MHA. I haven't gone through the draft
from DST but from what has been told in the email, this seems to be
better.

Look forward to know what people make of it.
-- 
  Regards,
  Shirish Agarwal  शिरीष अग्रवाल
  My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/
http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com
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[datameet] Re: [Draft for Consultation]: National Geo-spatial Policy, 2016.

[Abhishek Panchal]

On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 8:25:55 AM UTC+5:30, H. S. Sudhira. wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> 
> As we are looking through the draft bill, there seems to be some light here 
> from the Department of Science and Technology (DST). They have formulated a 
> draft National Geo-spatial Policy, 2016. Please see these: 
> 
> 
> http://www.dst.gov.in/news/national-geospatial-policy-public-consultation-upto-300516-your-views-may-be-send
> 
> 
> 
> National Geospatial Policy for public consultation upto 30.05.16. Your views 
> may be send to bhoop...@nic.in
> 
> 
> 
> The draft policy is made available here: 
> http://www.dst.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-NGP-Ver%201%20ammended_05May2016.pdf
>  
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Sudhira.

Are they considering the fact that the draft bill by mha might be in opposition 
to the one proposed by dst. I have doubts about the open access policy by dst. 
for gdpss

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