Re: rounder DT:TZ

2011-09-27 Thread Zefram
Olivier Mengu? wrote: - I published the HPUX distro in 2009 just a few weeks before losing access to an HP-UX system: Bummer. Fortunately there are people around with access who I can bug. Tux does HP-UX smokes, and would probably be willing to run probe code for me. - the current dependencies

Re: rounder DT:TZ

2011-09-27 Thread Olivier Mengué
2011/9/25 Zefram zef...@fysh.org I'd particularly like to know whether the new DT:TZ:Local code behaves itself on Windows, VMS, HP-UX, and AIX. The new implementation of DT:TZ:Local has implementations for all platforms in a single unit. I don't like the fact that much code is compiled and

Re: rounder DT:TZ

2011-09-27 Thread Zefram
Karen Etheridge wrote: So, if you're not going to generate a pod that contains this list at build- or install-time, please provide an executable (App::Cmd is nice!) that generates the list on the fly. Thanks for the comments. I'm leaning towards the command-line tool approach. -zefram

Re: rounder DT:TZ

2011-09-26 Thread Zefram
Dave Rolsky wrote: Why borg the Windows and HP-UX code into this distro instead of letting other maintainers handle this? I don't think there's significant value in having separate distros here. Having a single distro has the distinct advantages that the behaviour is consistent: you just

Re: rounder DT:TZ

2011-09-26 Thread autarch
Dave Rolsky wrote: Why borg the Windows and HP-UX code into this distro instead of letting other maintainers handle this? I don't think there's significant value in having separate distros here. Having a single distro has the distinct advantages that the behaviour is consistent: you just

Re: rounder DT:TZ

2011-09-26 Thread Zefram
I wrote: I've got plans for DT:TZ:Local. Another strand of this that might be of interest. I got thinking about the various mechanisms we have that try to DWIM with a ruleless SystemV-style zone spec (such as GMT0BST). The Olson database has the main US ones as links to appropriate geographical

Re: rounder DT:TZ

2011-09-26 Thread Zefram
auta...@urth.org wrote: I'd like to hear from David Pinkowitz and Olivier Mengue on this. Sure. I'd be fine with new names for utility subs like this. Obviously there'd have to be a deprecation period. I'm not intending to ever remove the old interfaces. They're cheap to retain indefinitely.

Re: rounder DT:TZ

2011-09-26 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, auta...@urth.org wrote: As to how and when these docs get generated, I don't really care, I just want the docs to be available after the distro is installed. If you want to do that as part of the install process that's fine. Actually, thinking about this a bit more, I

Re: rounder DT:TZ

2011-09-26 Thread Zefram
Dave Rolsky wrote: Actually, thinking about this a bit more, I really think it's a good idea to generate it as part of building the distro. That way these docs will be available from metacpan.org and s.c.o. That'll be even more out of date than generating it at install time, if that's done in

Re: rounder DT:TZ

2011-09-26 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Zefram wrote: Dave Rolsky wrote: Actually, thinking about this a bit more, I really think it's a good idea to generate it as part of building the distro. That way these docs will be available from metacpan.org and s.c.o. That'll be even more out of date than generating

Re: rounder DT:TZ

2011-09-26 Thread Zefram
Dave Rolsky wrote: That information isn't easily accessible on a system in any other way that I know of. It's supplied in data structures in T:OTZ:D or DT:TZ:Olson. Including the parts that aren't represented in the old DT:TZ:Catalog data structures. As I said earlier, it's easy to write

Re: rounder DT:TZ

2011-09-26 Thread Karen Etheridge
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 05:45:30PM +0100, Zefram wrote: Dave Rolsky wrote: That information isn't easily accessible on a system in any other way that I know of. It's supplied in data structures in T:OTZ:D or DT:TZ:Olson. Including the parts that aren't represented in the old

Re: rounder DT:TZ

2011-09-26 Thread Zefram
auta...@urth.org wrote: the ideal would be to include the zone and the invalid local time in the message. I've just uploaded DT:TZ:SystemV 0.005 to CPAN, and it does this: $ perl -MDateTime::TimeZone::SystemV -MDateTime -lwe 'print

Re: rounder DT:TZ

2011-09-25 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Sun, 25 Sep 2011, Zefram wrote: This is a total rewrite of DateTime::TimeZone. The main purpose of the change is that, as we've discussed for the past couple of years, it uses DT:TZ:Olson (and thus the standard tzfiles) for Olson zones. It ought to be a drop-in replacement for the existing