Re: CET timezone

2008-08-20 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Dave" == Dave Rolsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dave> At the present time, all of these time zones follow the same rules, but Dave> they did not do so in the past, and there's no guarantee that they will Dave> in the future. I've had a similar argument with international folks about how t

Re: CET timezone

2008-08-18 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008, Zefram wrote: I can understand the arguments about EST, but if there's no ambiguity about CET, We just found an ambiguity about CET: does it include the DST rules? Also, consider that your form of CET, with European-rules DST, is only defined for 1977 and later (when the E

Re: CET timezone

2008-08-18 Thread Zefram
Ton Voon wrote: >server's timezone to CET. Dodgy concept there. It really doesn't make sense for a server as a whole to have a default timezone other than UT. A timezone choice is a feature of certain types of application data, not a feature of where you run the application. >I can understand t

Re: CET timezone

2008-08-18 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Eugene van der Pijll wrote: Dave Rolsky schreef: The problem is that CET could map to many, many different time zones including Europe/Paris, Europe/Vienna, Europe/Tirane, and many more. No, CET is unambiguously UTC +1, and therefore not equal to any of those zones. Tak

Re: CET timezone

2008-08-18 Thread Ton Voon
On 18 Aug 2008, at 17:25, Dave Rolsky wrote: On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Dave Rolsky wrote: I guess I could add them back. Whatever this Solaris box returns for CET comes from the Olson database, so the sysadmin shouldn't be surprised by what DT::TZ does either. I just committed a change to inc

Re: CET timezone

2008-08-18 Thread Eugene van der Pijll
Dave Rolsky schreef: > The problem is that CET could map to many, many different time zones > including Europe/Paris, Europe/Vienna, Europe/Tirane, and many more. No, CET is unambiguously UTC +1, and therefore not equal to any of those zones. Eugene

Re: CET timezone

2008-08-18 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Dave Rolsky wrote: I guess I could add them back. Whatever this Solaris box returns for CET comes from the Olson database, so the sysadmin shouldn't be surprised by what DT::TZ does either. I just committed a change to include them. I realized that it's best if the zones

Re: CET timezone

2008-08-18 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Ton Voon wrote: I can understand the arguments about EST, but if there's no ambiguity about CET, would it be correct to add that in? I note that EST, MST and HST are supported timezones: http://search.cpan.org/dist/DateTime-TimeZone/. If it is just a case of adding CET in

Re: CET timezone

2008-08-18 Thread Dr.Ruud
Ton Voon schreef: > The user is a customer who is a sysadmin on Solaris. He's setting the > server's timezone to CET. Woudn't it be great if all servers were running (and all data was stored) in UTC; an timezones were handled at the presentation level? -- Affijn, Ruud "Gewoon is een tijger."

Re: CET timezone

2008-08-18 Thread Edmund von der Burg
2008/8/18 Ton Voon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The user is a customer who is a sysadmin on Solaris. He's setting the > server's timezone to CET. We have our catalyst application starting up with > this default server timezone and it is failing because the CET timezone is >

Re: CET timezone

2008-08-18 Thread Ton Voon
user is a customer who is a sysadmin on Solaris. He's setting the server's timezone to CET. We have our catalyst application starting up with this default server timezone and it is failing because the CET timezone is not recognised in DateTime. We don't present timezones to the

Re: CET timezone

2008-08-18 Thread Edmund von der Burg
2008/8/18 Ton Voon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I'm very naive in my understanding of best practices regarding timezones, > but DateTime doesn't support the timezone CET. Is there a reason for it? Is > it better to specify a timezone based on a location, such as Europe/Paris? If you ever need to ask a u

Re: CET timezone

2008-08-18 Thread Zefram
Ton Voon wrote: >timezones, but DateTime doesn't support the timezone CET. Is there a >reason for it? The lettered abbreviations for timezones are generally ambiguous. Most famously, there's an "EST" in both America and Australia. I don't think there's any "CET" other than Central European Time

CET timezone

2008-08-18 Thread Ton Voon
Hi! I'm very naive in my understanding of best practices regarding timezones, but DateTime doesn't support the timezone CET. Is there a reason for it? Is it better to specify a timezone based on a location, such as Europe/Paris? Ton http://www.altinity.com UK: +44 (0)870 787 9243 US: +1