Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Hartmann
I whole-heartedly agree with your email, except for one detail. Thank you for writing it. On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 3:18 AM, Patty Langasek wrote: > If you don't, and you simply > want to bikeshed and provoke fights about dietary choices or needs, please > start a new thread. Actually, please do n

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-17 Thread Patty Langasek
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:44:31AM +0200, Lunar wrote: > Gaudenz Steinlin: > > And taking the risk to be called an ochlocrat once again, I would also > > argue against accomodating vegans if the proposed solution would be that > > everyone has to eat vegan food all the time. > Why? Because with m

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-17 Thread Lunar
Gaudenz Steinlin: > And taking the risk to be called an ochlocrat once again, I would also > argue against accomodating vegans if the proposed solution would be that > everyone has to eat vegan food all the time. Why? Almost all DebConf attendees could eat vegan food for the length of the confere

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-16 Thread Richard Hartmann
If there is a no video zone and someone asks from there, they are not taped. If they ask from anywhere else, they are taped. If someone deviates from majority opinion and does not want their picture taken, they should be recognizable as such and a lanyard works here. Design for the common case wh

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-16 Thread John Sullivan
Holger Levsen writes: > Hi, > > some replies in one mail... > > On Sonntag, 14. September 2014, Paul Wise wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Russ Allbery wrote: >> > I've actually often wondered why DebConf doesn't do what was routine at >> > Usenix, LISA, etc., which was to have a mike f

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-16 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, some replies in one mail... On Sonntag, 14. September 2014, Paul Wise wrote: > On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Russ Allbery wrote: > > I've actually often wondered why DebConf doesn't do what was routine at > > Usenix, LISA, etc., which was to have a mike for questions and a camera > > dedic

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-16 Thread Ian Jackson
micah anderson writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration"): > I might also mention that there are people who are fine with their > picture being taken, who are at the same time *not at all ok* with > pictures being taken of people

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-16 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
Great idea. The zones (in talk rooms and hacklab) should work for this as discussed and a few extra no-photo lanyards at front desk should satisfy the other half of it. On 16 Sep 2014 17:52, "Daniel Kahn Gillmor" wrote: > On 09/14/2014 12:45 PM, micah anderson wrote: > > > A few examples, > > [..

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-16 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 09/14/2014 12:45 PM, micah anderson wrote: > A few examples, [...good examples snipped...] And then there are people who usually are OK with having their picture taken, but at any given time decide that they just don't feel like it right now. If, for whatever reason, someone doesn't want to

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-15 Thread Patty Langasek
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 12:31:07PM -0400, micah anderson wrote: > Aigars Mahinovs writes: > > On 12 September 2014 18:52, John Sullivan wrote: > >> Gaudenz Steinlin writes: > >>> But I agree that this view might be skewed be that fact that I > >>> personally think that the talks video are very

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-14 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Sep 14, 2014 9:25 PM, "Aigars Mahinovs" wrote: > There are really only three options: either we minimize the default > conference experience to lowest common denominator, or we ignore > minority preferences, or we identify people with additional > preferences and provide them with special atte

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-14 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
On 14 September 2014 21:43, micah anderson wrote: > Gaudenz Steinlin writes: > >> And taking the risk to be called an ochlocrat once again, I would also >> argue against accomodating vegans if the proposed solution would be that >> everyone has to eat vegan food all the time. > > If you had a che

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-14 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 02:43:51PM -0400, micah anderson wrote: > Gaudenz Steinlin writes: > > And taking the risk to be called an ochlocrat once again, I would also > > argue against accomodating vegans if the proposed solution would be that > > everyone has to eat vegan food all the time. > I

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-14 Thread micah anderson
Gaudenz Steinlin writes: > And taking the risk to be called an ochlocrat once again, I would also > argue against accomodating vegans if the proposed solution would be that > everyone has to eat vegan food all the time. If you had a checkbox that said "I need to eat meat at every meal" and a sp

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-14 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Clint Adams writes: > On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 01:23:29PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: >> I might be wrong on this, but I expect those that don't mind to be >> filmed to vastly outnumber those that oppose to it. So to me it seems >> enough to make it clear that talk rooms are filmed and to have

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-14 Thread micah anderson
Aigars Mahinovs writes: > We are talking about a handful of people "against" several hundred > on-site and several hundred more off-site. I am glad to set up some > extra rules to accommodate their special wishes. Removing useful > things from hundreds of other people is not ok. I don't understa

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-14 Thread micah anderson
Aigars Mahinovs writes: > On 12 September 2014 18:52, John Sullivan wrote: >> Gaudenz Steinlin writes: >> >>> But I agree that this view might be skewed be that fact that I >>> personally think that the talks video are very valueable and don't mind >>> being filmed during the talks. >> >> I fin

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-14 Thread micah anderson
Ian Jackson writes: > Richard Hartmann writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox > in registration"): >> That is a social problem, so technical solutions won't work anyway. > > This is the second time in this thread that this aph

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-14 Thread Ian Jackson
Richard Hartmann writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration"): > That is a social problem, so technical solutions won't work anyway. This is the second time in this thread that this aphorism has turned up. It's entirely wron

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-13 Thread Clint Adams
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 01:23:29PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > I might be wrong on this, but I expect those that don't mind to be > filmed to vastly outnumber those that oppose to it. So to me it seems > enough to make it clear that talk rooms are filmed and to have a space > for those that do

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-13 Thread Clint Adams
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 06:54:19PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > We did that for the Linus Q&A, and I thought that worked much better. And > then people who don't want to be filmed will have a clearer idea of what > part of the audience will be filmed and can avoid sitting close to the > mike, and

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-13 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Russ Allbery wrote: > I've actually often wondered why DebConf doesn't do what was routine at > Usenix, LISA, etc., which was to have a mike for questions and a camera > dedicated to that and have people queue to ask questions. Although I > suspect it's just lack

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-13 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Aigars Mahinovs dijo [Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 12:54:23AM +0300]: > It has been mentioned before and I somewhat agree - for a non-native > English speaker it is often easier to understand people if you see > them speak as that give some more visual cues on what they are saying. > This becomes even more

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Avi writes: > It is common practice that the presenter should repeat any question > before answering it. As long as this speaking protocol is followed, I > don't see any understanding issues arrising from only recording the > presenter. This is fine for presentations and questions, but multiple

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-13 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
On 14 September 2014 02:24, Avi wrote: > On Sep 13, 2014 7:21 PM, "Ben Hutchings" wrote: >> On Sat, 2014-09-13 at 15:40 -0700, Avi wrote: >> > It is common practice that the presenter should repeat any question >> > before answering it. >> >> Only if the question was not spoken into a microphone.

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-13 Thread Avi
> Only if the question was not spoken into a microphone. Sometimes, yes. But this is a pretty simple way to give both recording and privacy in presentations. > Presenters often forget to do this. Remind them. :) On Sep 13, 2014 7:21 PM, "Ben Hutchings" wrote: > On Sat, 2014-09-13 at 15:40 -070

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-13 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2014-09-13 at 15:40 -0700, Avi wrote: > It is common practice that the presenter should repeat any question > before answering it. Only if the question was not spoken into a microphone. > As long as this speaking protocol is followed, I don't see any > understanding issues arrising from o

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-13 Thread Avi
It is common practice that the presenter should repeat any question before answering it. As long as this speaking protocol is followed, I don't see any understanding issues arrising from only recording the presenter. On Sep 13, 2014 5:54 PM, "Aigars Mahinovs" wrote: > On 12 September 2014 18:52,

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-13 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
On 12 September 2014 18:52, John Sullivan wrote: > Gaudenz Steinlin writes: > >> But I agree that this view might be skewed be that fact that I >> personally think that the talks video are very valueable and don't mind >> being filmed during the talks. > > I find audio and video of the primary sp

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek writes: > On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 01:23:29PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: >> I might be wrong on this, but I expect those that don't mind to be >> filmed to vastly outnumber those that oppose to it. So to me it seems >> enough to make it clear that talk rooms are filmed and to ha

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-13 Thread Harlan Lieberman-Berg
On Sat, 2014-09-13 at 22:34 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > If the main difficulty with a proper opt-in system is that we don't > want to throw photo refuseniks into a ghetto (or stop them asking > questions), we could just stop videoing the questions at all. I don't think we should throw the baby out

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-13 Thread Ian Jackson
Steve Langasek writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration"): > Respecting people's wishes to not be on film while providing videos of the > talks is a solved problem: we designate "do not film" areas of the > audien

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-13 Thread John Sullivan
Gaudenz Steinlin writes: > But I agree that this view might be skewed be that fact that I > personally think that the talks video are very valueable and don't mind > being filmed during the talks. I find audio and video of the primary speaker and the slides very valuable. I'm a little lost as to

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-12 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 01:23:29PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > I might be wrong on this, but I expect those that don't mind to be > filmed to vastly outnumber those that oppose to it. So to me it seems > enough to make it clear that talk rooms are filmed and to have a space > for those that do

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-12 Thread Philip Hands
Gaudenz Steinlin writes: > Clint Adams writes: > >> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 09:23:33AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: >>> If you are seated next to someone who is asking a question, the value is in >>> *not* having to accommodate individual requests to not be videoed, and >>> having these requests

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-12 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Clint Adams writes: > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 09:23:33AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: >> If you are seated next to someone who is asking a question, the value is in >> *not* having to accommodate individual requests to not be videoed, and >> having these requests disrupt the utility of the videos

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Clint Adams writes: > What would be better is to have a small "film" area up near the speaker, > and allow those who wish to be filmed show their explicit consent by > moving into it to ask their questions on camera, and to not force anyone > to be in that area if they do not want to be. I've ac

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-11 Thread Clint Adams
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 09:23:33AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > If you are seated next to someone who is asking a question, the value is in > *not* having to accommodate individual requests to not be videoed, and > having these requests disrupt the utility of the videos in capturing the > flow of

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 04:11:35PM +, Clint Adams wrote: > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:44:24AM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > > So do you think we should no longer record and stream the Debconf talks? > I would personally be fine with this but people tell me that the > conference video is int

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-11 Thread Clint Adams
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:44:24AM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > So do you think we should no longer record and stream the Debconf talks? I would personally be fine with this but people tell me that the conference video is integral to producing a great free operating system. > Or what's your s

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-11 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
On 11 September 2014 14:19, Holger Levsen wrote: > if you are a speaker, you can decide, whether recorded or not. > > if you are an attendee and enter a recorded room, this takes precedence over > your lanyard. be that a talk or the group photo. > > if you are an attendee and enter a recorded room

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-11 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Donnerstag, 11. September 2014, Richard Hartmann wrote: > Not in the context of the lanyards, though. If you have that lanyard, > whatever its colour may be, and sit in an area with video-taping, one > default _has_ to prevail over the other. > > And what happens if a room is crowded and o

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-11 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:14:43PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > >And anyway, the historic memory value we get from having photos from >the conference is IMO quite high. The photos and videos are very important to me personally, and I doubt I'm alone in that feeling. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge,

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-11 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
On 11 September 2014 12:55, Richard Hartmann wrote: > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: >> Tagging is a different issue. IMO nobody should tag any other person on >> any photo. I'm well aware that with todays face recognition technology >> this won't help much, but still I

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-11 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Paul Wise wrote: >> Would signs at the entrance to talk rooms and/or "no video" areas inside >> the rooms be enough. > > That would help for the audience side of things yes. Not in the context of the lanyards, though. If you have that lanyard, whatever its colour

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-11 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > Tagging is a different issue. IMO nobody should tag any other person on > any photo. I'm well aware that with todays face recognition technology > this won't help much, but still I belive there's a difference between > having an anonymou

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-11 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Donnerstag, 11. September 2014, Paul Wise wrote: > I think we should give speakers the option (want no recording, want > only be audio recorded, want recorded on video+audio or don't mind > either way). I agree. > We can make that choice more obvious to attendees and > photographers by p

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > So do you think we should no longer record and stream the Debconf talks? > Or what's your solution to be able to continue to record and stream > video from talks and at the same time respect your privacy? >From my earlier mail: I think w

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-11 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Clint Adams writes: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:14:43PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: >> project. But I do feel strongly the "no photo" group should be opt-in >> (and not the "photos OK" group). I don't have numbers for DC14 (and it > > I feel strongly the opposite. Violating my privacy should alwa

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-11 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Richard Hartmann writes: > Three corner cases I can't get out of my mind: > > * What about people who appear to the group photo while wearing > no-photo lanyards? I think keeping the shot as-is, but not tagging > them by name, would be prudent. Tagging is a different issue. IMO nobody should tag

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
On 11 Sep 2014 05:52, "Daniel Kahn Gillmor" wrote: > > On 09/10/2014 08:16 PM, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: > > that would take extra days of my work for no good reason. > > i understand that it's extra work, but i don't understand why it's "no > good reason" -- we're trying to respect people who are s

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Clint Adams
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:14:43PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > project. But I do feel strongly the "no photo" group should be opt-in > (and not the "photos OK" group). I don't have numbers for DC14 (and it I feel strongly the opposite. Violating my privacy should always require my active consent.

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Daniel Kahn Gillmor dijo [Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:52:33PM -0400]: > On 09/10/2014 08:16 PM, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: > > that would take extra days of my work for no good reason. > > i understand that it's extra work, but i don't understand why it's "no > good reason" -- we're trying to respect pe

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 09/10/2014 08:16 PM, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: > that would take extra days of my work for no good reason. i understand that it's extra work, but i don't understand why it's "no good reason" -- we're trying to respect people who are signalling (via e.g. a black lanyard) that they would rather no

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
On 11 September 2014 02:22, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Donnerstag, 11. September 2014, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: >> This is a great idea - if we can make a no-photo lanyard be double >> wide *and* light up when exposed to photo flash (like the pedestrian >> safety reflectors) > > now I miss th

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:22 AM, Holger Levsen wrote: > ok, found my words again: make these the lanyards for people who want their > pictures taken. (and TBH, I think this years white swirly ones were quite very > well visible - once again perfect is the enemy of good. ;-) Agreed; perfect is the

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Richard Hartmann
Second times' the charm... http://www.chapea.com/Lanyard-Reflectante/en http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Hot-sale-and-promotional-reflector-Lanyard_1104449300.html So those exist and they should show up on all flash photographs. Of course they will be more or less invisible to sesse with his

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Donnerstag, 11. September 2014, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: > This is a great idea - if we can make a no-photo lanyard be double > wide *and* light up when exposed to photo flash (like the pedestrian > safety reflectors) now I miss the tags and fear you really think so. besides "uhm, no" I'm

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:49 AM, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: > if we can make a no-photo lanyard be double > wide *and* light up when exposed to photo flash (like the pedestrian > safety reflectors) I actually tried to find those first for exactly that reason, and settled for neon later. I was only a

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
On 11 September 2014 00:56, Richard Hartmann wrote: > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Gunnar Wolf (personal) > wrote: > >> I also think the photo-free zones would not be a solution. > > Not fully, especially considering that people need to walk around to > get from A to B and making the hallways

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Richard Hartmann
Three corner cases I can't get out of my mind: * What about people who appear to the group photo while wearing no-photo lanyards? I think keeping the shot as-is, but not tagging them by name, would be prudent. * What about people who seat themselves in the normal talk room audience, or even act a

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:32 AM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > You could have the happy-with-photography lanyards be bright colors, and > hand out dark or black lanyards for the people who have not opted into > being photographed. The issue, to me, is that you need bright colours for people who

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:26 AM, Holger Levsen wrote: > so why do have children "more rights" than other attendees? (and don't get me > wrong, I fully support that Both socially and legally speaking, the concept of parents/guardians exists for the very reason that children need more protection

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 09/10/2014 05:56 PM, Richard Hartmann wrote: > PS: Asking people who do not want to be photographed to wear bright > colours is somewhat counter-intuitive... You could have the happy-with-photography lanyards be bright colors, and hand out dark or black lanyards for the people who have not opte

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Donnerstag, 11. September 2014, Richard Hartmann wrote: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: > > Children should *not* be photographed without prior consent > > from their parents. > Just to re-iterate this point: This makes sense in all cases and no > matter what, if a

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: > Children should *not* be photographed without prior consent > from their parents. Just to re-iterate this point: This makes sense in all cases and no matter what, if anything, we end up doing, this should be communicated clearly to every at

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > (Due to the particular room configurations and camera angles in place this > time, the "do not film" area was "somewhere outside the talk room and watch > the talk via the stream". Black cardboard cutouts could work in case DC15 and follo

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Philipp Kern wrote: > Rooms that are being videotaped are also to be marked, fwiw. Valid point. It feels silly, but taping camera warnings to the doors can't hurt. Unless there are signs at the entrance of the Youth Hostel, already. Richard -- Richard ___

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Gunnar Wolf (personal) wrote: > I also think the photo-free zones would not be a solution. Not fully, especially considering that people need to walk around to get from A to B and making the hallways no-photo seems like unenforceable overkill. Yet, it would be tr

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:25:35PM +0300, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: > Even a blacklist is practically impossible to realize while > maintaining even just a good coverage of the event. Whitelisting? > Forget about all photo coverage and just have video of just the > slides. Anything else will be practi

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
On 10 September 2014 22:50, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: > All proposed solution looks like a division by zero error. There are conflicting requirements - covering Debconf (either with photo or video) requires a lot of images of people while privacy concerns require not to take images of people. > So t

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
On Wed, 2014-09-10 at 10:37 +0200, Mika Pflüger wrote: > Hi, > > Steve Langasek wrote: > > Any solution that you come up with is going to be at the discretion > > of the photographers to conform to, because the law is not on the > > side of the photograph's subject where public spaces are concern

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
On Sun, 2014-09-07 at 22:15 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: > > > I would like to ask to remove the "Do not photograph me" checkbox in > > Debconf registration form as we do not really have a technology to > > implement that. > > As someone who che

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Philipp Kern
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:08:55PM +0300, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: > My reading of the law is that even in a public setting people > photographed must give some kind of consent before the photo can be > published in any way. From photography forums I read that in public > events this is usually hande

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Mittwoch, 10. September 2014, Christoph Egger wrote: > >> I didn't understand the point of the yelling at people to stand-up when > >> they had the microphone. Was this to get a clearer video of the person? I dont get the part with the yelling neither, but standing up (usually) also helps

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Christoph Egger
Judit Foglszinger writes: >> I didn't understand the point of the yelling at people to stand-up when >> they had the microphone. Was this to get a clearer video of the person? > There is a clearer video of the person > and it makes it easier for the camera operator > to quickly catch the speaking

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Mittwoch, 10. September 2014, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: > On 10 September 2014 11:37, Mika Pflüger wrote: > > Note that for the next DebConf the legal situation is more complicated > > as Germany has much more strict "rights to the own image" than most > > other countries (see e.g. > > http:/

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
On 10 September 2014 11:37, Mika Pflüger wrote: > Note that for the next DebConf the legal situation is more complicated > as Germany has much more strict "rights to the own image" than most > other countries (see e.g. > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recht_am_eigenen_Bild, in German). I am > not a

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-10 Thread Mika Pflüger
Hi, Steve Langasek wrote: > Any solution that you come up with is going to be at the discretion > of the photographers to conform to, because the law is not on the > side of the photograph's subject where public spaces are concerned. Note that for the next DebConf the legal situation is more com

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-09 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Paul, On Sun, Sep 07, 2014 at 10:15:16PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > In practice, the attendees I'm thinking of watched talks from outside > rooms and didn't participate in discussions. One attendee I spoke to > had adverse consequences due to be photographed and identified in a > photo. I don't

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:03:05AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > > I'd love to hear from people like Micah who did check the box and > > who were frustrated this year if they think such a solution would > > work well. > I am in the same position as Micah, especially since I've been > raising thi

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-09 Thread Gunnar Wolf
(slightly reordered, failure matched with imperfect solution) I am in the same position as Micah, especially since I've been raising this issue for many years, and since I generally don't want my photos released in public space. Differently coloured lanyards would work under three conditions:

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-09 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
On 10 September 2014 00:22, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > I think we do have technology to implement that. Maybe not with 100% > hit rate, but not that far off. Give people who don't want to be > photographed differently-coloured lanyards. It costs a bit more, since > we need two types of lanyards a

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-09 Thread martin f krafft
> I'd love to hear from people like Micah who did check the box and > who were frustrated this year if they think such a solution would > work well. I am in the same position as Micah, especially since I've been raising this issue for many years, and since I generally don't want my photos released

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-09 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] micah anderson > While it may be true that we do not "have a technology to implement > that", I think the problem may be that we are trying to find > technological solutions to social problems, that we are letting the > technology dictate the viability of implementing this and finally, > figur

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-09 Thread Judit Foglszinger
> I didn't understand the point of the yelling at people to stand-up when > they had the microphone. Was this to get a clearer video of the person? There is a clearer video of the person and it makes it easier for the camera operator to quickly catch the speaking person. > When I got the > 'pictur

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-09 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Dienstag, 9. September 2014, Gunnar Wolf (personal) wrote: > I also think the photo-free zones would not be a solution. I don't > think > marking reservations for shy/privacy-minded people will work. It could > help a bit, but... don't think it would be enough. well, don't let perfect be t

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-09 Thread Gunnar Wolf (personal)
I would like to ask to remove the "Do not photograph me" checkbox in Debconf registration form as we do not really have a technology to implement that. As someone who checked that option (mainly in solidarity with privacy conscious DebConf attendees I've met over the years), I agree it is qui

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-09 Thread micah anderson
Paul Wise writes: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: > >> I would like to ask to remove the "Do not photograph me" checkbox in >> Debconf registration form as we do not really have a technology to >> implement that. > > As someone who checked that option (mainly in solidari

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: > I would like to ask to remove the "Do not photograph me" checkbox in > Debconf registration form as we do not really have a technology to > implement that. As someone who checked that option (mainly in solidarity with privacy conscious DebC

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-06 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 09/05/2014 05:09 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > I believe "we" don't upload there - the copyright holder (or someone > else licensed to do so) does. > > I dislike a bunch of services, but don't dictate my fellow Debian > friends not to use those. Instead I advocate strongly to use better > a

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-05 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting John Sullivan (2014-09-05 17:38:24) > Jonas Smedegaard writes: > >> Quoting John Sullivan (2014-09-05 04:26:36) >>> Luke Faraone writes: >>> On 4 September 2014 13:38, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Aigars Mahinovs [2014-09-04 12:33 > -0700]: >> On a side n

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-05 Thread John Sullivan
Jonas Smedegaard writes: > Quoting John Sullivan (2014-09-05 04:26:36) >> Luke Faraone writes: >> >>> On 4 September 2014 13:38, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Aigars Mahinovs [2014-09-04 12:33 -0700]: > On a side note: I am note aware of any legal or privacy problems > occur

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-05 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Holger Levsen (2014-09-05 16:32:54) > On Freitag, 5. September 2014, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> I believe "we" don't upload there - the copyright holder (or someone >> else licensed to do so) does. > > yes, but *we* invite the photographer, Aigars, to make these photos on > *our* behalf,

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-05 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Freitag, 5. September 2014, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > I believe "we" don't upload there - the copyright holder (or someone > else licensed to do so) does. yes, but *we* invite the photographer, Aigars, to make these photos on *our* behalf, so I think we have a say on the licence too. I'd

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-05 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Thomas Goirand (2014-09-05 10:36:01) > On 09/05/2014 12:21 AM, Holger Levsen wrote: > > There should also be documentation, that > > > > a.) you're the photographer, so people who dont want their photos taken > > should > > hide from you > > b.) that you're automatically + immediatly up

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-05 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 09/05/2014 12:21 AM, Holger Levsen wrote: > There should also be documentation, that > > a.) you're the photographer, so people who dont want their photos taken > should > hide from you > b.) that you're automatically + immediatly uploading fotos to flickr, if I > understood you correctly.

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-05 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting John Sullivan (2014-09-05 04:26:36) > Luke Faraone writes: > >> On 4 September 2014 13:38, martin f krafft wrote: >>> also sprach Aigars Mahinovs [2014-09-04 12:33 -0700]: On a side note: I am note aware of any legal or privacy problems occuring from uploading public CC/GPL-li

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-05 Thread John Sullivan
Luke Faraone writes: > On 4 September 2014 13:38, martin f krafft wrote: >> also sprach Aigars Mahinovs [2014-09-04 12:33 -0700]: >>> On a side note: I am note aware of any legal or privacy problems >>> occuring from uploading public CC/GPL-licensed photos to either >>> Google Plus or Flickr (p

Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Do not photograph" checkbox in registration

2014-09-04 Thread Luke Faraone
On 4 September 2014 13:38, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Aigars Mahinovs [2014-09-04 12:33 -0700]: >> On a side note: I am note aware of any legal or privacy problems >> occuring from uploading public CC/GPL-licensed photos to either >> Google Plus or Flickr (paid version in both cases) >

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