Re: [Debconf-discuss] hardware which runs Debian or a blend or a sub-set, debian blends, gaming on open day/week-end.

[David Lechner]

I don't know if this is worth me requesting a login for the wiki since I 
am not involved in debconf at all, but...


We run Debian on LEGO MINDSTORMS EV3 (robotics). http://www.ev3dev.org





On 6/7/16 12:51 PM, Bernelle Verster wrote:

Hi all

I wrote up this thread into the wiki, please edit, add, remove as you wish.

This is for something open hardware /embedded systems related at the
Open Weekend at DebConf16. Whatever you want to happen, put it on the
wiki, and I'll try to make it happen. :)

https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay_Hardware

cheers
B

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 5:10 AM, Paul Wise  wrote:

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Elena ``of Valhalla'' wrote:


actually the Pyra should have the same hardware modem isolation that the
Neo900 has, but I can't find the precise quote about it on the forums.

I asked about it on IRC a while ago and was told that the isolation
would be the same but that all the monitoring and other features would
be only present in the Neo900:

https://neo900.org/faq#privacy
https://neo900.org/resources (see the talks)

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] hardware which runs Debian or a blend or a sub-set, debian blends, gaming on open day/week-end.

[Sicelo]

On Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 07:51:17PM +0200, Bernelle Verster wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I wrote up this thread into the wiki, please edit, add, remove as you wish.
> 
> This is for something open hardware /embedded systems related at the
> Open Weekend at DebConf16. Whatever you want to happen, put it on the
> wiki, and I'll try to make it happen. :)
> 
> https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay_Hardware
> 
> cheers
> B
> 
I have Nokia N900, and since I'm attending DebConf16, I'll try to
install Debian on it before I arrive. Unfortunately there are a few
hardware issues with this N900 currently, but I hope at least to run a
basic Debian.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] hardware which runs Debian or a blend or a sub-set, debian blends, gaming on open day/week-end.

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi all

I wrote up this thread into the wiki, please edit, add, remove as you wish.

This is for something open hardware /embedded systems related at the
Open Weekend at DebConf16. Whatever you want to happen, put it on the
wiki, and I'll try to make it happen. :)

https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay_Hardware

cheers
B

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 5:10 AM, Paul Wise  wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Elena ``of Valhalla'' wrote:
>
>> actually the Pyra should have the same hardware modem isolation that the
>> Neo900 has, but I can't find the precise quote about it on the forums.
>
> I asked about it on IRC a while ago and was told that the isolation
> would be the same but that all the monitoring and other features would
> be only present in the Neo900:
>
> https://neo900.org/faq#privacy
> https://neo900.org/resources (see the talks)
>
> --
> bye,
> pabs
>
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] hardware which runs Debian or a blend or a sub-set, debian blends, gaming on open day/week-end.

[Paul Wise]

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Elena ``of Valhalla'' wrote:

> actually the Pyra should have the same hardware modem isolation that the
> Neo900 has, but I can't find the precise quote about it on the forums.

I asked about it on IRC a while ago and was told that the isolation
would be the same but that all the monitoring and other features would
be only present in the Neo900:

https://neo900.org/faq#privacy
https://neo900.org/resources (see the talks)

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] hardware which runs Debian or a blend or a sub-set, debian blends, gaming on open day/week-end.

[Elena ``of Valhalla'']

On 2016-06-03 at 11:23:30 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> These devices are created by people somewhat related to the FLOSS
> world, so it makes sense that they would work on upstreaming
> Linux/bootloader support for them. The Pyra looks almost perfect but
> has PowerVR and won't have the same modem isolation/monitoring as the
> Neo900. I am really looking forward to the Neo900 existing (sigh
> PowerVR) but I'm not sure I will be able to afford it and many laptops
> are cheaper than it.

actually the Pyra should have the same hardware modem isolation that the
Neo900 has, but I can't find the precise quote about it on the forums.
There is still the PowerVR.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] hardware which runs Debian or a blend or a sub-set, debian blends, gaming on open day/week-end.

[Paul Wise]

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Steven Chamberlain wrote:

> That may be true of /mainstream/ mobile devices.  But the Nokia N900
> shipped in 2009 with a Debian-derived OS, and even this year I see
> recent commits to mainline Linux kernel and debian-installer for that
> device.  If it's possible to run pure Debian on these devices now, that
> may be the sort of thing that Shirish wanted to showcase?

Ack, but I'm not sure potential users would be convinced by Debian
running on a 7 year old mobile device from before the iPhone era
(keyboard instead of finger-oriented) with no warranty and a known to
be brittle USB socket.

Smartphone users I know are unwilling to even use Android due to
software quality, them switching to an OS they have never heard of on
non-mainstream devices seems like it will never happen.

> Jonas mentioned Openmoko and GTA04 already.  The Pyra handheld (with LTE
> modem) by Dragonbox likely won't ship until after DebConf16, but the OS
> being developed for it is a very clean Debian armhf rootfs.  Maybe
> someone could bring a PocketCHIP to DebConf, if those ship anytime soon.

These devices are created by people somewhat related to the FLOSS
world, so it makes sense that they would work on upstreaming
Linux/bootloader support for them. The Pyra looks almost perfect but
has PowerVR and won't have the same modem isolation/monitoring as the
Neo900. I am really looking forward to the Neo900 existing (sigh
PowerVR) but I'm not sure I will be able to afford it and many laptops
are cheaper than it.

> Before having an N900, I had a Sharp Zaurus clam-shell handheld (which
> is not a phone), but pure Debian could be installed on that too IIRC.
> Debian has for a long time been a good alternative OS for handhelds, it
> is just rare that they ship with 'pure' Debian preinstalled (for even a
> quite liberal definition of pure).

I'm assuming the FLOSS community did the Linux/bootloader port to the
Zaurus rather than Sharp doing it?

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] hardware which runs Debian or a blend or a sub-set, debian blends, gaming on open day/week-end.

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Bernelle Verster (2016-06-02 09:17:56)
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 9:02 AM, shirish शिरीष  
> wrote:
>> The expert in this area would obviously be Jonas as he has been 
>> working with embedded and is in know of much, much more and he would 
>> be probably more aware of which devices can have debian in a jiffy 
>> and which would require lot more work.

No, the Debian experts on embedded stuff are the emdebian folks!


> Jonas is also a purist, which is great, but I think in this context
> and with the time limit, we need to look at what is agreeable without
> being too ideological. Have a look at the ShowMeBox stuff, Jonas and
> others did a lot of work there. Unfortunately the ShowMeBox as it is
> currently envisaged may not make it to DebConf16, but this idea may
> incorporate some of it.
> https://wiki.debian.org/ShowMeBox

Thanks - I consider "purist" as a compliment. :-)

You will sure need to be pragmatic to get things working fast.  But you 
will also need to be realistic.

My biggest concern with the things mentioned by Shirish is not how 
challenging those devices are to tinker with using purely Debian, but 
how challenging they are to tinker with _at_ _all_.

 - Jonas

P.S.  Incidentally, I will attend a haccker session this weekend with 
the GTA04 developers - i.e. the successor to OpenMoko.  No, that doesn't 
make me an expert on that device: I offer help _packaging_ the code for 
the device.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] hardware which runs Debian or a blend or a sub-set, debian blends, gaming on open day/week-end.

[Paul Wise]

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 3:02 PM, shirish शिरीष wrote:

> There is also the short-lived debian-mobile mailing list
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-mobile/ after which I think
> a decision was made to put more efforts on getting android bits in
> Debian main, probably because most upstream may not be active.
> 

Debian doesn't support mobile devices because Linux mainline doesn't
support them and probably never will until the mobile device upgrade
cycle starts slowing down. Android bits in main won't fix that, but it
will eventually allow us to build Android apps on our laptops and
potentially run Android apps on our Debian laptops.

https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools

> Incidentally, I'm planning to buy a new phone (around $100 - $125)
> budget, so any recommendations to look at which is/could be ported to
> Debian would be good to know. @Jonas - recommendations ?

Due to various factors, making a phone support Debian properly will
require more time than it takes that phone to become obsolete. Of
course you can easily get any Android phone that is GPL compliant to
run some parts of Debian in a very hacky way.

https://wiki.debian.org/ChrootOnAndroid
http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/log/2012/12/03/debian-mobile/
https://cascardo.eti.br/blog/GNU_on_Smartphones_part_II/
https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] hardware which runs Debian or a blend or a sub-set, debian blends, gaming on open day/week-end.

[Bernelle Verster]

thanks Shirish

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 9:02 AM, shirish शिरीष  wrote:
> at bottom :-
>
> On 02/06/2016, Bernelle Verster  wrote:
>> hi
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:36 AM, Keerthana Krishnan
>>  wrote:
>>> Wow, that sounds like a great idea if done! It showcases the versatility
>>> of
>>> Debian beautifully, but is it possible to pull it together?
>>
>> I would like to try. :) I know nothing of any of this though (I'm a
>> Debian and IT noob), so the first step would be to create a list of
>> requirements, flesh out what exactly you're thinking (this would
>> include support stuff, screens, plugpoints, extention cords, etc etc
>> as well as the 'Debian stuff' - hardware, bandwidth etc etc etc). I
>> can then take that to the local organisations and see what we can pull
>> together (wrt equipment and volunteers). I would need something great
>> to show them by ... this weekend? (Not final, but something that would
>> sell the idea well)
>>
>> Perhaps, in the interest of time, the requirements need to be
>> prioritised into 'have to have, this won't happen without it', and
>> nice-to-haves. Shirish, could I ask you to make a start at it on a
>> wiki page, that you link to from the Debian Day wiki please?
>> Maybe https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay_Hardware ?
>>
>
> Dear Bernelle,
>
> The expert in this area would obviously be Jonas as he has been
> working with embedded and is in know of much, much more and he would
> be probably more aware of which devices can have debian in a jiffy and
> which would require lot more work.

Jonas is also a purist, which is great, but I think in this context
and with the time limit, we need to look at what is agreeable without
being too ideological. Have a look at the ShowMeBox stuff, Jonas and
others did a lot of work there. Unfortunately the ShowMeBox as it is
currently envisaged may not make it to DebConf16, but this idea may
incorporate some of it.
https://wiki.debian.org/ShowMeBox

>
> Having said that, have made a crude page at
> https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay_Hardware
>
> Most of the contestants are from https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn
>
> Apart form the wired and wireless routers, there have been these
> smartwatches and all which probably also could be made to work. There
> is also the short-lived debian-mobile mailing list
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-mobile/ after which I think
> a decision was made to put more efforts on getting android bits in
> Debian main, probably because most upstream may not be active.
> 
>
> Even if we can have a showcase of Android variants like Replicant and
> f-droid and conversations around them, that might get some interest
> going and I'm sure most DD's would have one or the other device which
> has them. The same would be of most GNU/Linux groups as well. If we
> are able to get some tablets hands-on even those will be good.

I think the goal here would be to play, and get broader interest in
hacking, open hardware. After the Open Weekend, this can become more
technical and purist :)
>
> Incidentally, I'm planning to buy a new phone (around $100 - $125)
> budget, so any recommendations to look at which is/could be ported to
> Debian would be good to know. @Jonas - recommendations ?
>
>
>
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[shirish शिरीष]

at bottom :-

On 02/06/2016, Bernelle Verster  wrote:
> hi
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:36 AM, Keerthana Krishnan
>  wrote:
>> Wow, that sounds like a great idea if done! It showcases the versatility
>> of
>> Debian beautifully, but is it possible to pull it together?
>
> I would like to try. :) I know nothing of any of this though (I'm a
> Debian and IT noob), so the first step would be to create a list of
> requirements, flesh out what exactly you're thinking (this would
> include support stuff, screens, plugpoints, extention cords, etc etc
> as well as the 'Debian stuff' - hardware, bandwidth etc etc etc). I
> can then take that to the local organisations and see what we can pull
> together (wrt equipment and volunteers). I would need something great
> to show them by ... this weekend? (Not final, but something that would
> sell the idea well)
>
> Perhaps, in the interest of time, the requirements need to be
> prioritised into 'have to have, this won't happen without it', and
> nice-to-haves. Shirish, could I ask you to make a start at it on a
> wiki page, that you link to from the Debian Day wiki please?
> Maybe https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay_Hardware ?
>

Dear Bernelle,

The expert in this area would obviously be Jonas as he has been
working with embedded and is in know of much, much more and he would
be probably more aware of which devices can have debian in a jiffy and
which would require lot more work.

Having said that, have made a crude page at
https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay_Hardware

Most of the contestants are from https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn

Apart form the wired and wireless routers, there have been these
smartwatches and all which probably also could be made to work. There
is also the short-lived debian-mobile mailing list
https://lists.debian.org/debian-mobile/ after which I think
a decision was made to put more efforts on getting android bits in
Debian main, probably because most upstream may not be active.


Even if we can have a showcase of Android variants like Replicant and
f-droid and conversations around them, that might get some interest
going and I'm sure most DD's would have one or the other device which
has them. The same would be of most GNU/Linux groups as well. If we
are able to get some tablets hands-on even those will be good.

Incidentally, I'm planning to buy a new phone (around $100 - $125)
budget, so any recommendations to look at which is/could be ported to
Debian would be good to know. @Jonas - recommendations ?



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[Bernelle Verster]

hi

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:36 AM, Keerthana Krishnan
 wrote:
> Wow, that sounds like a great idea if done! It showcases the versatility of
> Debian beautifully, but is it possible to pull it together?

I would like to try. :) I know nothing of any of this though (I'm a
Debian and IT noob), so the first step would be to create a list of
requirements, flesh out what exactly you're thinking (this would
include support stuff, screens, plugpoints, extention cords, etc etc
as well as the 'Debian stuff' - hardware, bandwidth etc etc etc). I
can then take that to the local organisations and see what we can pull
together (wrt equipment and volunteers). I would need something great
to show them by ... this weekend? (Not final, but something that would
sell the idea well)

Perhaps, in the interest of time, the requirements need to be
prioritised into 'have to have, this won't happen without it', and
nice-to-haves. Shirish, could I ask you to make a start at it on a
wiki page, that you link to from the Debian Day wiki please?
Maybe https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay_Hardware ?

>
> On 2 June 2016 at 05:03, shirish शिरीष  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Warning - Would be slightly longish mail. Apologies for noise.
>>
>> Maybe it's too late in the day but for quite sometime I had been
>> thinking/dreaming if we could have/show-cased Debian running on
>> various hardware doing different things, unusual things . While Debian
>> on the desktop, workstation and server and Debian on ARM is somewhat
>> known there are and would probably be some unusual devices where
>> Debian or a sub-set/blend is used.
>>
>> For instance, Debian-Edu would be a good candidate to share and
>> showcase as well as Debian Med and other such blends which run/use
>> specific hardware which ties in debian, for instance the galileo
>> package which just entered Debian archive just today which works with
>> 'fitbit' devices (have no idea what they are.).
>>
>> There would also be quite some equipment which probably is integrated
>> or in process of being integrated/reverse-engineered which people
>> would love to see.
>>
>> IIRC, even HP one of the main sponsors of debconf, is/was bringing out
>> 'The Machine'  although later we don't know what is happening to it,
>>
>> http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/207897-hp-kills-the-machine-repurposes-design-around-conventional-technologies
>>
>> One of the DD's was working with HP 'The Machine' project. I also
>> remember that some VR packages were made for Debian (and are the
>> archive I *think*) , it would be good/nice if are able to try out HP's
>> backpack for VR
>>
>> http://www.in.techradar.com/news/gaming/HP-and-MSIs-backpacks-put-a-new-spin-on-VR/articleshow/52467485.cms
>> and see what can be worked within the Debian universe.
>>
>> Similarly as there would be kids (as well as big kids/adults) who
>> might like to blow off steam once in a while, we could have few
>> systems where we have games like 0ad or/and vdrift, supertuxkart among
>> others who could get some potential new users while having good PR for
>> Debian too.
>>
>> The only downside I see here is that we would need slightly large
>> number of volunteers than some of the other choices that indiebio has
>> outlined. https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay
>>
>> What do people think/make of above ?
>> --
>>   Regards,
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[Keerthana Krishnan]

Wow, that sounds like a great idea if done! It showcases the versatility of
Debian beautifully, but is it possible to pull it together?

On 2 June 2016 at 05:03, shirish शिरीष  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Warning - Would be slightly longish mail. Apologies for noise.
>
> Maybe it's too late in the day but for quite sometime I had been
> thinking/dreaming if we could have/show-cased Debian running on
> various hardware doing different things, unusual things . While Debian
> on the desktop, workstation and server and Debian on ARM is somewhat
> known there are and would probably be some unusual devices where
> Debian or a sub-set/blend is used.
>
> For instance, Debian-Edu would be a good candidate to share and
> showcase as well as Debian Med and other such blends which run/use
> specific hardware which ties in debian, for instance the galileo
> package which just entered Debian archive just today which works with
> 'fitbit' devices (have no idea what they are.).
>
> There would also be quite some equipment which probably is integrated
> or in process of being integrated/reverse-engineered which people
> would love to see.
>
> IIRC, even HP one of the main sponsors of debconf, is/was bringing out
> 'The Machine'  although later we don't know what is happening to it,
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/207897-hp-kills-the-machine-repurposes-design-around-conventional-technologies
>
> One of the DD's was working with HP 'The Machine' project. I also
> remember that some VR packages were made for Debian (and are the
> archive I *think*) , it would be good/nice if are able to try out HP's
> backpack for VR
>
> http://www.in.techradar.com/news/gaming/HP-and-MSIs-backpacks-put-a-new-spin-on-VR/articleshow/52467485.cms
> and see what can be worked within the Debian universe.
>
> Similarly as there would be kids (as well as big kids/adults) who
> might like to blow off steam once in a while, we could have few
> systems where we have games like 0ad or/and vdrift, supertuxkart among
> others who could get some potential new users while having good PR for
> Debian too.
>
> The only downside I see here is that we would need slightly large
> number of volunteers than some of the other choices that indiebio has
> outlined. https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay
>
> What do people think/make of above ?
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] hardware which runs Debian or a blend or a sub-set, debian blends, gaming on open day/week-end.

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting shirish शिरीष (2016-06-02 01:33:20)
> for instance the galileo package which just entered Debian archive 
> just today which works with 'fitbit' devices (have no idea what they 
> are.).

Fitbit is a black-box gadget for use for e.g. measuring how many steps 
you take a day. The galileo software can only grab encoded data dumps 
and upload it to the accompanying cloud service - yes, the package 
description also mentions "possibly" being able to decode locally, but 
so far that is merely wishful thinking.  Not an example of hardware that 
run Debian.


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[Debconf-discuss] hardware which runs Debian or a blend or a sub-set, debian blends, gaming on open day/week-end.

[shirish शिरीष]

Hi all,

Warning - Would be slightly longish mail. Apologies for noise.

Maybe it's too late in the day but for quite sometime I had been
thinking/dreaming if we could have/show-cased Debian running on
various hardware doing different things, unusual things . While Debian
on the desktop, workstation and server and Debian on ARM is somewhat
known there are and would probably be some unusual devices where
Debian or a sub-set/blend is used.

For instance, Debian-Edu would be a good candidate to share and
showcase as well as Debian Med and other such blends which run/use
specific hardware which ties in debian, for instance the galileo
package which just entered Debian archive just today which works with
'fitbit' devices (have no idea what they are.).

There would also be quite some equipment which probably is integrated
or in process of being integrated/reverse-engineered which people
would love to see.

IIRC, even HP one of the main sponsors of debconf, is/was bringing out
'The Machine'  although later we don't know what is happening to it,
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/207897-hp-kills-the-machine-repurposes-design-around-conventional-technologies

One of the DD's was working with HP 'The Machine' project. I also
remember that some VR packages were made for Debian (and are the
archive I *think*) , it would be good/nice if are able to try out HP's
backpack for VR
http://www.in.techradar.com/news/gaming/HP-and-MSIs-backpacks-put-a-new-spin-on-VR/articleshow/52467485.cms
and see what can be worked within the Debian universe.

Similarly as there would be kids (as well as big kids/adults) who
might like to blow off steam once in a while, we could have few
systems where we have games like 0ad or/and vdrift, supertuxkart among
others who could get some potential new users while having good PR for
Debian too.

The only downside I see here is that we would need slightly large
number of volunteers than some of the other choices that indiebio has
outlined. https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay

What do people think/make of above ?
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