Re: Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 08:30:27PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: > I was afraid of the accents and fast-talk of some people while other > people whose first language was not English were easier to understand > as they took time to organize and deliver their questions not just in > Q but also

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-13 Thread Ralf Treinen
On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 04:11:29PM +0100, Chris Lamb wrote: > Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > I'm all for encouraging first-time speakers, but Q at the end of a > > session are valuable too; as such, to me, outlawing Q is a bit like > > throwing the kid out with the bathwater. > > Just to be clear,

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-13 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 08/09/18 at 11:11 +0100, Chris Lamb wrote: > Anyway, whilst I am in no way suggesting DebConf takes an identical > approach (!!), I would be curious to know whether if we are missing any > new contributions this way. I fully agree that Q are very important at DebConf. However, I wonder if we

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-13 Thread Chris Lamb
Wouter Verhelst wrote: > I'm all for encouraging first-time speakers, but Q at the end of a > session are valuable too; as such, to me, outlawing Q is a bit like > throwing the kid out with the bathwater. Just to be clear, I would agree with this and am not even strongly advocating the weaker

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Sep 08, 2018 at 04:40:38PM +0100, Chris Lamb wrote: > Hi Samuel, > > > > About embarrassing behaviour from the audience: First, this barely ever > > > happens, [...] > > > > I completely agree this all of this, and that's what I explain to our > > PhD students. But them actually

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-12 Thread Norbert Preining
>"Talks should be either 30 minutes long plus 10 minutes for questions >and answers or 45 minutes long plus 15 minutes for questions and >answers." > >QA been mandatory, is it a problem? I would say very normal and standard procedure. Has been like this in most conferences I have attended.

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-12 Thread Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana
Hi, I was reading 35c3 CfP [1] and I saw this: "Talks should be either 30 minutes long plus 10 minutes for questions and answers or 45 minutes long plus 15 minutes for questions and answers." QA been mandatory, is it a problem? [1]

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-12 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 12 septembre 2018 13:13 +0100, Ian Jackson : >> I don't suggest to change anything for Debconf, I am just bad at >> conferencing. > > I think you would probably have interesting things to say. I would > like it if you felt able to give a talk, so I am keen that we remove > the barriers that

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Samuel Thibault writes ("Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)"): > Matthew Vernon, le sam. 08 sept. 2018 15:41:14 +0100, a ecrit: > > Moderators happy/able to cut people off who aren't really > > asking a question seems a better solution than banning all questions.

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Chris Lamb writes ("Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)"): > I noticed yesterday [0] that the PyCascades conference [1] explicitly > does not permit any questions and answers after a presentation. This is interesting. As an audience member I have sometimes found myself intensely irritated

Re: Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-11 Thread shirish शिरीष
Reply in-line :- On 10/09/2018, Sicelo wrote: > I would like to add my humble point of view on this issue ... > > Background: first time attendee & speaker at DebConf16 > I went through the same situation myself in Debconf16 . When I had given my proposal for the talk I wasn't prepared it to

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-11 Thread Philip Hands
Norbert Preining writes: > On Mon, 10 Sep 2018, Gunnar Wolf wrote: >> > My suggestion is as follows: >> > * anyone can send questions for that specific talk (anonymously or >> > not) by accessing an url >> > * other people can upvote/downvote the question as the talk is going >> > * the speaker

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-10 Thread Samuel Henrique
> > The times when I saw the "please don't go to the mic if it's not a > > question" was when there were women speaking, and I think I understand > > why they would want that and I'm ok with it*. But yes, It shouldn't be > > I'm not. Treating women differently is not something I support. Why >

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-10 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018, Josh Triplett wrote: > A good moderator can help address that (you can get halfway there by > just reminding people "ask questions, don't make statements or comments; > make sure your question benefits the whole room". That is a very strange point! I am more than grateful for

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-10 Thread Josh Triplett
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 09:54:04AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: > On Mon, 10 Sep 2018, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > DebConf. I'd *never* describe DebConf Q as "an open mic pedantry > > slam", from many years of experience. I'm used to people asking > > +1 > 25 years of attending conferences I have

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-10 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018, Steve McIntyre wrote: > DebConf. I'd *never* describe DebConf Q as "an open mic pedantry > slam", from many years of experience. I'm used to people asking +1 25 years of attending conferences I have never seen an "open mic pedantry slam". Aren't we creating a dragon from a

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana dijo [Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 11:32:57AM -0300]: > > I too started off as an absolutely terrified public speaker, and the > > Q were especially nerve racking. I should note that DebConf in > > particular was especially intimidating, not due to anything related to > >

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-10 Thread Bdale Garbee
Gunnar Wolf writes: > I really disliked the voting part of this tool, though. I don't want > people to refrain from asking something because they think they will > be downvoted. I like the idea of people being able to "up vote" to indicate that a question already asked is one they'd like to

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Samuel Henrique dijo [Sat, Sep 08, 2018 at 02:47:15PM -0300]: > For the speaker side, I saw a really good solution being used at this > year's DC by Audrey Tang[0], I think it is a non-free service, but it > should be something really easy to implement it for ourselves. Yes, looks like an

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-10 Thread Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana
Hi, - Mensagem original - > De: "Karen Sandler" > > I too started off as an absolutely terrified public speaker, and the > Q were especially nerve racking. I should note that DebConf in > particular was especially intimidating, not due to anything related to > the format of the

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-10 Thread Karen Sandler
On 2018-09-10 09:56, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:49:47AM +0200, Michael Prokop wrote: ... Or to quote Gary, from https://twitter.com/garybernhardt/status/989998209123536896: | who in hell called it conference talk Q and not an open mic pedantry slam And this is exactly

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-10 Thread Max Harmathy
Hi, I had my first talk at DebConf18 and I found it very helpful to have questions during the talk. It even led to a fullow-up BoF session. While I appreciate the effort to make conferences a comfortable to newcomers as possible, we should not loose focus on the content of the talks. After all

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-10 Thread Michael Prokop
* Chris Lamb [Sat Sep 08, 2018 at 11:11:39AM +0100]: > I noticed yesterday [0] that the PyCascades conference [1] explicitly > does not permit any questions and answers after a presentation. > Finding this intriguing, I followed up to ask for more information and > was given the following reply:

Re: Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-09 Thread Sicelo
I would like to add my humble point of view on this issue ... Background: first time attendee & speaker at DebConf16 I agree with everyone that speaking, and later on, questioning, can drain a first time conference speaker. Worse still when English is a language one does not use daily. Then of

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-09 Thread Samuel Thibault
Bdale Garbee, le dim. 09 sept. 2018 14:31:56 -0500, a ecrit: > Samuel Thibault writes: > > Sure, but that does not *have* to be done during the session, with > > the whole audience listening to the discussion, which I guess is the > > precise stressing point. Such a rule doesn't necessarily

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-08 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi > No live Q after talks makes it a more friendly environment for > first time and new speakers. @ericholscher has written about this and I cannot subscribe to either of this. Much has been said, most importantly, start small, at a local user meeting if you are scared to talk in front of

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-08 Thread Harlan Lieberman-Berg
On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Samuel Henrique wrote: > For the speaker side, I saw a really good solution being used at this > year's DC by Audrey Tang[0], I think it is a non-free service, but it > should be something really easy to implement it for ourselves. This could even be done with

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-08 Thread Samuel Henrique
Sorry, I don't mean "sugesstion" as "we should do this", I believe this is something that still has to be discussed to see what we agree upon. I agree with Steve McIntyre about being important to have good interaction on the talks, and doing the questions on the mic is good for that, as long as

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-08 Thread Samuel Henrique
For the speaker side, I saw a really good solution being used at this year's DC by Audrey Tang[0], I think it is a non-free service, but it should be something really easy to implement it for ourselves. My suggestion is as follows: * anyone can send questions for that specific talk (anonymously

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-08 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Chris On 2018/09/08 12:11, Chris Lamb wrote: > I noticed yesterday [0] that the PyCascades conference [1] explicitly > does not permit any questions and answers after a presentation. > > Finding this intriguing, I followed up to ask for more information and > was given the following reply: > >

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-08 Thread Ondrej Novy
Hi, I understand reasons behind this. One of reason why I didn't give any talk anywhere is, that questions after talk is really stressfull for me. I know my english is not perfect, I can speak but sometimes I can't understand correctly. 250 people in room, one of them ask me question and I would

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-08 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 8 septembre 2018 11:11 +0100, Chris Lamb : > Anyway, whilst I am in no way suggesting DebConf takes an identical > approach (!!), I would be curious to know whether if we are missing any > new contributions this way. I don't speak in front of large audiences because of the Q part. I have a

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-08 Thread Christoph Biedl
Chris Lamb wrote... > Here is the salient section from the linked page by Eric Holscher: Quite frankly, I find this very upsetting. > Let's start with speakers. Many first-time speakers that I know have > an intense anxiety around having the audience ask questions. They > think, "I am

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-08 Thread Matthew Vernon
On 08/09/18 15:37, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Sat, Sep 08, 2018 at 11:11:39AM +0100, Chris Lamb wrote: Hi, I noticed yesterday [0] that the PyCascades conference [1] explicitly does not permit any questions and answers after a presentation. Ewww... I *really* don't like this - for me, the

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-08 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Sep 08, 2018 at 04:51:33PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Sure, but that does not *have* to be done during the session, with > the whole audience listening to the discussion, which I guess is the > precise stressing point.

Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)

2018-09-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Steve McIntyre, le sam. 08 sept. 2018 15:37:19 +0100, a ecrit: > On Sat, Sep 08, 2018 at 11:11:39AM +0100, Chris Lamb wrote: > >I noticed yesterday [0] that the PyCascades conference [1] explicitly > >does not permit any questions and answers after a presentation. > > Ewww... > > I