Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

Hi, Le 10/11/2019 à 09:46, Devin Prater a écrit : Thank you for your fair, calm message. Yes, Linux accessibility is at a crisis point, but we do have four years to change this, even make things better than they have ever been. Now, that doesn’t mean we should just Exactly. wait until

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

This is very good. A roadmap will keep them accountable. Thank you so much for your work. > On Nov 10, 2019, at 9:29 AM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL > wrote: > > > Le 10/11/2019 à 15:23, Devin Prater a écrit : >> Yes, this is true. I forget that she is the only active developer of Orca, >> sorry.

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

Le 10/11/2019 à 15:23, Devin Prater a écrit : Yes, this is true. I forget that she is the only active developer of Orca, sorry. I simply want the developer of Orca to be talking with the people that point fingers at Orca as the problem because Obviously, screen readers are magic and can do

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

Yes, this is true. I forget that she is the only active developer of Orca, sorry. I simply want the developer of Orca to be talking with the people that point fingers at Orca as the problem because Obviously, screen readers are magic and can do things for blind people that transcend the GUI or

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

Samuel Thibault, le dim. 10 nov. 2019 12:33:17 +0100, a ecrit: > Devin Prater, le dim. 10 nov. 2019 02:46:51 -0600, a ecrit: > > if GTK4 folks say it’s Orca’s fault, put an issue on Orca, and > > loop them all in, grab some popcorn, and watch them point fingers. > > I don't think we want to make

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

Hello, Alex ARNAUD, le ven. 08 nov. 2019 09:29:21 +0100, a ecrit: > To be fully clear: There is no risk to see something changes on your > experience > until approximately 4 years. Possibly a bit longer. It took a lot of time for applications to migrate from gtk2 to gtk3. Migrating to gtk4 will

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

Devin Prater, le dim. 10 nov. 2019 02:46:51 -0600, a ecrit: > if GTK4 folks say it’s Orca’s fault, put an issue on Orca, and > loop them all in, grab some popcorn, and watch them point fingers. I don't think we want to make Joanmarie handle that. Samuel

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

Thank you for your fair, calm message. Yes, Linux accessibility is at a crisis point, but we do have four years to change this, even make things better than they have ever been. Now, that doesn’t mean we should just wait until three years have passed, then jump to action, but we don’t have to

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

say this to devin prater. he glorify mac. Den 9 november 2019 07:58:53 skrev Vojtěch Šmiro : Hello. Hypra is great, I have it from May this year and it is super. It isn't good to fight together what is better than something. Every system is good for some actions, some is accessible, some is

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

Hello. Hypra is great, I have it from May this year and it is super. It isn't good to fight together what is better than something. Every system is good for some actions, some is accessible, some is more or less accessible. Anyway, this is Debian list and here we would solve Debian

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

I think it is perfectly reasonable to talk about Hypra, as they support Debian with testing, with code, and with feedback. Even more so, their contributions also benefit other distros, just like work done in other groups benefit Debian. it is a little less obvious that we should allow

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

Assuming that you still work at Hypra, I don't think that it is acceptable to use your debian.org e-mail to promote your work place. This work place works for Debian. So I dont see the problem. It works not-paid by Debian for Debian, so my job is a volunteer action for Debian. Thanks to

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

On 11/8/2019 5:42 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: > http://hypra.fr > > English release not completely up-to-date, but the most important is here. > > > Jean-Philippe MENGUAL > > Le 08/11/2019 à 17:39, mattias a écrit : >> website? >> >> On 2019-11-08 17:29, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: >>> A

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

http://hypra.fr English release not completely up-to-date, but the most important is here. Jean-Philippe MENGUAL Le 08/11/2019 à 17:39, mattias a écrit : website? On 2019-11-08 17:29, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: A company who sells computers with Debian, from a universality access point

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

website? On 2019-11-08 17:29, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: A company who sells computers with Debian, from a universality access point of view. It means: not needed to use commandlinie (but possible) MATE desktop, Orca with as nice as possible voice according to the language, Iris OCR to read

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

A company who sells computers with Debian, from a universality access point of view. It means: not needed to use commandlinie (but possible) MATE desktop, Orca with as nice as possible voice according to the language, Iris OCR to read paper documents, Compiz for visual settings if the person

Re: Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

On Fri, 8 Nov 2019, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 11:10:53 > From: MENGUAL Jean-Philippe > To: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian > Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 16:11:09 + (UTC) > R

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

what is hypra? On 2019-11-08 17:10, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: Hi Devin, Sorry for advertisment in advance, but: > I would definitely recommend the Mac. You’ll still be able to run free software, in an environment like > Unix. Optionally, if you use the command line, check out

Re: Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

Hi Devin, Sorry for advertisment in advance, but: > I would definitely recommend the Mac. You’ll still be able to run free software, in an environment like > Unix. Optionally, if you use the command line, check out https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr Hypra

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

Thanks so much for this information. I did have the impression that volunteers work on this, I should have done more research. Also, thanks Jean-Philippe for the much easier ways of contributing to all this than the knee-jerk reaction of some people of “Well if you don’t like it then make it

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

Hi, Frankly I think these companies (IBM, Redhat) dont completely focus on desktop. I dont know who they sell this to. I think their main business is servers. So I am not so surprised, even if it is sad, they dont invest. However I keep hope: during the next hackfest, we will discuss what is

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

On Fri, Nov 8, 2019, at 3:21 AM, Devin Prater wrote: > I would definitely recommend the Mac. You’ll still be able to run free > software, in an environment like Unix. Optionally, if you use the command > line, check out https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr > > It isn’t as powerful as Fenrir or

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

Le 08/11/2019 à 01:21, thom...@fastmail.cn a écrit : Hi, > I guess the issue seems to be that patches are being created for what upstream thinks is a broken system in some ways and it sounds like things like keyboard snooping could cause problems in the future. I honestly don't know

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

Hi, +1 to what Alex said, and QT accessibilty is progressing too. And indeed console applications will continue to work. As the saying goes: "Don't destroy your now worrying about tomorrow" Best, Didier Le 08/11/2019 à 09:29, Alex ARNAUD a écrit : Hello Thomas, To be fully clear: There is

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

Jean-Philippe MENGUAL Le 08/11/2019 à 01:21, thom...@fastmail.cn a écrit : Hi, I guess the issue seems to be that patches are being created for what upstream thinks is a broken system in some ways and it sounds like things like keyboard snooping could cause problems in the future. I

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

sts.debian.org > <mailto:debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org> > Ämne: Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian > > I would definitely recommend the Mac. You’ll still be able to run free > software, in an environment like Unix. Optionally, if you use the command &

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: Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian I would definitely recommend the Mac. You’ll still be able to run free software, in an environment like Unix. Optionally, if you use the command line, check out https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr It isn’t as powerful as Fenrir or Speak, but it gets the job done well

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

Howdy, Optionally, if you use the command line, check out https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr FYI: Fenrir should run on OSX as well using the PTY Terminal emulation backend :). cheers chrys Zitat von Devin Prater : I would definitely recommend the Mac. You’ll

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Devin we know you are a mac fanboy!But stop glorify macMac are not for everyoneMac are not perfect Skickades från E-post för Windows 10 Från: Devin PraterSkickat: den 8 november 2019 09:21Till: thom...@fastmail.cnKopia: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.orgÄmne: Re: Future of Accessibility

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

Hello Thomas, To be fully clear: There is no risk to see something changes on your experience until approximately 4 years. The issue we've found are in GTK4 and we'll work with GTK4 developers to ensure the Linux accessibility will continue to be as good as today. Best regards, Alex. Le

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

I would definitely recommend the Mac. You’ll still be able to run free software, in an environment like Unix. Optionally, if you use the command line, check out https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr It isn’t as powerful as Fenrir or Speak, but it gets the job done

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

On 11/8/2019 1:21 AM, thom...@fastmail.cn wrote: > Hi, > I have followed the discussion on the orca list lately and the conflicts > around GTK 4 accessibility. I guess without getting into the drama of it all, > I would just like to ask those who are knowledgeable if they think we will > have