maybe gnome too. seems orca dont see speech-dispatcher module? braille
works just fine. i experimenting with xfce
i have debian with mate. i insatlled xfce with tasksel but no choice to
start xfce in lightdm. how to start xfce?
mattias jonsson, on Sun 23 Oct 2016 18:19:38 +0200, wrote:
> orca dont seems to start at all
Ok, so please do modify /etc/xdg/autostart/orca-autostart.desktop as I
said.
Samuel
orca dont seems to start at all
Den 2016-10-23 kl. 18:18, skrev Samuel Thibault:
Hello,
mattias, on Tue 18 Oct 2016 16:00:03 +0200, wrote:
I try to get orca running on xfce
I have do
xfconf-query -c xfce4-session -n -t bool -p /general/StartAssistiveTechnologies
-s true
but orca not work
Hello,
mattias, on Tue 18 Oct 2016 16:00:03 +0200, wrote:
> I try to get orca running on xfce
>
> I have do
>
> xfconf-query -c xfce4-session -n -t bool -p
> /general/StartAssistiveTechnologies
> -s true
>
> but orca not work
What do you mean by "not work"
I try to get orca running on xfce
I have do
xfconf-query -c xfce4-session -n -t bool -p
/general/StartAssistiveTechnologies -s true
but orca not work
I have a lot of error about libgl.so
Any idea
On 10/16/16, mattias wrote:
> hwwat name?
>
> in mate it are named mate-terminal
Hi, Mattias.. I just tried "xfce4-terminal", and it worked. Hope that helped. :)
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hwwat name?
in mate it are named mate-terminal
On dim., 2014-11-30 at 23:02 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> There is no strict rule, the maintainer is completely free to skip
> versions, take an upstream snapshot, etc. I don't know what XFCE
> maintainers are used to be doing. You can for instance have a look at
> the
Yves-Alexis Perez, le Sun 23 Nov 2014 23:14:31 +0100, a écrit :
> On mar., 2014-10-21 at 00:13 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Do you feel like uploading this change for Jessie, or we'd rather go the
> > wrapper way for Jessie?
>
> That really looks a bit invasive for Jessie.
Ok, I'll keep the
On mar., 2014-10-21 at 00:13 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Do you feel like uploading this change for Jessie, or we'd rather go the
> wrapper way for Jessie?
That really looks a bit invasive for Jessie.
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Samuel Thibault, le Tue 21 Oct 2014 00:07:41 +0200, a écrit :
> Samuel Thibault, le Mon 20 Oct 2014 22:58:14 +0200, a écrit :
> > Yves-Alexis Perez, le Mon 20 Oct 2014 22:47:41 +0200, a écrit :
> > > On lun., 2014-10-20 at 22:42 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > > > I forgot to answer this:
> > > >
Samuel Thibault, le Mon 20 Oct 2014 22:58:14 +0200, a écrit :
> Yves-Alexis Perez, le Mon 20 Oct 2014 22:47:41 +0200, a écrit :
> > On lun., 2014-10-20 at 22:42 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > > I forgot to answer this:
> > >
> > > Yves-Alexis Perez, le Mon 20 Oct 2014 22:34:22 +0200, a écrit :
lightdm will apparently be the default dm for non-gnome DE such as
> > > > XFCE, LXDE, MATE. ATM it never auto-start Orca, some code would be
> > > > needed for this.
> > >
> > > So much for not starting that automatically, then. Did the plan change?
> &g
Yves-Alexis Perez, le Mon 20 Oct 2014 22:47:41 +0200, a écrit :
> On lun., 2014-10-20 at 22:42 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > I forgot to answer this:
> >
> > Yves-Alexis Perez, le Mon 20 Oct 2014 22:34:22 +0200, a écrit :
> > > I guess that this is not about the user session but really
> > > a
On lun., 2014-10-20 at 22:42 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> I forgot to answer this:
>
> Yves-Alexis Perez, le Mon 20 Oct 2014 22:34:22 +0200, a écrit :
> > I guess that this is not about the user session but really
> > about the greeter?
>
> Yes, in order to be able to login non-blindly.
>
Ok
On lun., 2014-10-20 at 22:41 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Yves-Alexis Perez, le Mon 20 Oct 2014 22:34:22 +0200, a écrit :
> > On lun., 2014-10-20 at 00:21 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > > lightdm will apparently be the default dm for non-gnome DE such as
> > > XFCE
I forgot to answer this:
Yves-Alexis Perez, le Mon 20 Oct 2014 22:34:22 +0200, a écrit :
> I guess that this is not about the user session but really
> about the greeter?
Yes, in order to be able to login non-blindly.
Samuel
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Yves-Alexis Perez, le Mon 20 Oct 2014 22:34:22 +0200, a écrit :
> On lun., 2014-10-20 at 00:21 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > lightdm will apparently be the default dm for non-gnome DE such as
> > XFCE, LXDE, MATE. ATM it never auto-start Orca, some code would be
> > nee
On lun., 2014-10-20 at 00:21 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Hello,
>
> lightdm will apparently be the default dm for non-gnome DE such as
> XFCE, LXDE, MATE. ATM it never auto-start Orca, some code would be
> needed for this.
So much for not starting that automatically, the
Your message dated Thu, 02 Oct 2014 15:39:18 +
with message-id
and subject line Bug#760777: fixed in gnome-orca 3.14.0-1
has caused the Debian Bug report #760777,
regarding gnome-orca: please autostart orca in LXDE, XFCE and MATE too
to be marked as done.
This means that you claim that the
Michael Biebl, le Mon 08 Sep 2014 14:30:56 +0200, a écrit :
> >> I fail to see why a11y would be important enough to force it to Xfce
> >> installations while not beeing important enough to force it to default
> >> installations.
> >
> > Right, we can probab
>> I fail to see why a11y would be important enough to force it to Xfce
>> installations while not beeing important enough to force it to default
>> installations.
>
> Right, we can probably add it to task-desktop instead. Joey?
I'm not sure if this is the right appr
>> > > I sympathise with a11y, but forcing gnome-orca on everyone won't
>> > > happen.
>> >
>> > Well, that is actually precisely our goal: to have gnome-orca installed
>> > on all systems, ready to be started in case one needs it.
>>
&
Control: reassign -1 task-xfce-desktop
Control: tags -1 - wontfix
Yves-Alexis Perez, le Sun 07 Sep 2014 22:23:34 +0200, a écrit :
> On dim., 2014-09-07 at 21:53 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Yves-Alexis Perez, le Sun 07 Sep 2014 21:15:19 +0200, a écrit :
> > > On dim., 2
installed
> on all systems, ready to be started in case one needs it.
Then it's unrelated to Xfce, and you want to include that in the base
system. I would still disagree, but that wouldn't be my call anyway.
>
> There is this very simple scenario: you welcome a blind guest at home
t is actually precisely our goal: to have gnome-orca installed
on all systems, ready to be started in case one needs it.
There is this very simple scenario: you welcome a blind guest at home,
and he'd like to use the home computer. Currently, with XFCE, you'd
click on "Enable assistive
On dim., 2014-09-07 at 20:30 +0100, Chris Norman wrote:
> Sorry for the cross posting, but I thought I was posting to
> Accessibility before, and wasn’t:
>
> My apologies Yves-Alexis Perez, I didn’t realise I’d replied
> privately. I thought I was replying to the bug thread… I don’t usually
> repl
that there’s not much point me
posing my question on the bug tracking system either?
Cheers,
On 7 Sep 2014, at 20:24, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> On dim., 2014-09-07 at 20:24 +0100, Chris Norman wrote:
>> OK, I didn’t mean to cause offence. I don’t even use XFCE, I was just
>> int
On dim., 2014-09-07 at 21:13 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Well, for a blind user, it *is*!...
Sure, but not everyone's blind. I sympathise with a11y, but forcing
gnome-orca on everyone won't happen.
>
> Anyhow, what do you propose to fix the accessibility of XFCE? Adding
&g
Processing control commands:
> forwarded -1 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736237
Bug #760777 [gnome-orca] gnome-orca: please autostart orca in LXDE, XFCE and
MATE too
Set Bug forwarded-to-address to
'https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736237'.
> block
On dim., 2014-09-07 at 21:00 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Package: xfce4-session
> Version: 4.10.1-8
> Severity: important
> User: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
> Usertags: a11y
>
> Hello,
>
> ATM, with a fresh XFCE installation, enabling "Enable a
Yves-Alexis Perez, le Sun 07 Sep 2014 21:06:43 +0200, a écrit :
> > ATM, with a fresh XFCE installation, enabling "Enable assitive
> > technologies" does not actually start the orca screen reader, because
> > the screen reader does not get installed along the XFCE i
Control: forwarded -1 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736237
Control: block -1 by 760740
Samuel Thibault, le Sun 07 Sep 2014 20:48:19 +0200, a écrit :
> Currently, gnome-orca does not get automatically started when e.g.
> enabling "Enable assistive technologies" in
Package: gnome-orca
Version: 3.2.2-1
Severity: important
Tags: patch
User: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
Usertags: a11y
Hello,
Currently, gnome-orca does not get automatically started when e.g.
enabling "Enable assistive technologies" in XFCE because the autostart
desktop f
; Hello,
>
> After a fresh Jessie install of Debian with the XFCE desktop and logging
> in with the user created at installation ("joe"), there are some
> processes left behind by lightdm, running ad lightdm user, notably:
>
> lightdm509 0.0 0.0 24340 588 ?
How do you measure memory? Free?
Could you quite possibly post the output of free and whatever else you
measure with? (the full output)
For reference against jessie, i'm installing an up to date jessie right
now...
Thanks
Anthony (bofh80)
learn that they won't even figure
> out how to close a window are not Gnome's (or XFCE's, for that matter)
> target audience.
> If you want that, install KDE and tell it to use one of the
> let's-mimic-Windows/MacOS themes.
xfce is perfectly useable to most people by de
> because the drivers had been deprecated. Lets not go into the
> 256/512MB of ram that the CD only computer has and how much gnome or
> xfce is going to chew up and bring the machine to a crawl as soon you
> try to do anything and it hits swap.
[...]
I have a wheezy VM running Xfce comfortab
Hi,
Lennart Sorensen:
> it needs buttons on windows that people expect to see where they expect
> to see them
You mean left vs. right side?
> Would Debian be willing to make gnome3 have different defaults than
> upstream in the interest of actually being useable to new users who are
> used to o
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:15:15AM +0200, Thomas Weber wrote:
> Not sure why you'd want to go for third world countries, but let's look
> at Germany (Aldi is one of the two biggest discounters here):
> http://www.presseportal.de/pm/112096/2653870/aldi-senkt-preise-fuer-fischprodukte-oel-und-smoothi
at bottom :-
On 8/11/14, Thomas Weber wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 03:20:49AM +0100, Anthony F McInerney wrote:
>> Would the people who are claiming that blank cdr are cheaper than dvdr,
>> especially in third world countries, please cite sources (shops, price
>> checkers etc) of the price of
On Mon, 11 Aug, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Thomas Weber
wrote:
Not sure why you'd want to go for third world countries, but let's
look
at Germany (Aldi is one of the two biggest discounters here):
http://www.presseportal.de/pm/112096/2653870/aldi-senkt-preise-fuer-fischprodukte-oel-und-smoothies
CD
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 03:20:49AM +0100, Anthony F McInerney wrote:
> Would the people who are claiming that blank cdr are cheaper than dvdr,
> especially in third world countries, please cite sources (shops, price
> checkers etc) of the price of say 5 pack or 10 pack, even up to 50pack of
> CD's,
r simply because the
drivers had been deprecated. Lets not go into the 256/512MB of ram that the
CD only computer has and how much gnome or xfce is going to chew up and
bring the machine to a crawl as soon you try to do anything and it hits
swap.
DVD readers/writers are cheaper now than CD readers/wr
idth then choose no
> desktop environment or XFCE/LXDE. But if you can spare some more time
> then you can install GNOME/KDE. Seems like a good deal. And USB
> sticks are cheaper (also easier to reuse) so I don't get the 'hurting
> developing countries' argument.
With netinst
2014/08/08 18:14 "Yves-Alexis Perez" :
>
> [...]
>
> Put it another way, Xfce (and other DEs) have been hurt by the various
> enforced transitions (ConsoleKit,
> hal/devicekit-power/upower/upower-0.99), yes. Combined with the lack of
> resources, that means it lay
Why are we discussing CD/DVD sizes? Why not just use an USB
netinstall? It's then possible to download and install the stuff you
need, if you don't want to use a lot of bandwidth then choose no
desktop environment or XFCE/LXDE. But if you can spare some more time
then you can install
On ven., 2014-08-08 at 18:38 -0700, Paul C. Bryan wrote:
> With all due respect to XFCE, I'd hate the interpretation to be along
> the lines of, "Oh, Debian state of the art desktop environment feels
> something like Windows, circa 2000." But, XFCE's lightweight. It&#
On jeu., 2014-08-07 at 23:57 +0200, Jordi Mallach wrote:
> Hi Debian,
About the decision itself, as Debian Xfce main maintainer, I honestly
don't really care. I don't think the default desktop matters that much
on Debian (while I guess it means a lot for Ubuntu, for example). I
a
Hi,
From the experience of Sonar, mentioned by Alejandro, it's possible to
make a DE accessible from LXDE. But XFCE seems to stay a good testing
project hard to handle for end-user.
Best regards,
Le 09/11/2013 14:15, Halim Sahin a écrit :
Hi all,
In my point of view debian should r
Hi all,
In my point of view debian should really change it's default desktop to
xfce because of the systemd requirement of gnome.
I am not happy with current situation but debian support other os's as
well and systemd is only available for Linux.
At this time I.ll whant to say thx to
Piñeiro writes:
> Taking into account that the previous default desktop was GNOME (so
> GNOME Shell), this seems to suggest that GNOME accessibility support is
> broken. Probably some people think that because they are testing the
> accessibility support with the current Debian stable which still
ility as a reason to switch to XFCE? (fwd)
Man, I hope they don't do that. They ought to just go up to Gnome 3.10.
It's miles and miles ahead of 3.4 with stuff like pdf accessibility and all
the other improvements to Orca that are about to start coming out. Unless
you need to run a lig
On 11/05/2013 12:48 PM, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> I think the point behind accessibility's being mentioned was to
> make sure the default desktop is accessible.
As the Orca maintainer, I really appreciate that. :)
Similarly, I really appreciate the work done by the XFCE guys. They
have
Hi,
and thanks for your input.
Piñeiro (2013-11-05):
> So, there may be reasons for Debian to switch to XFCE. But IMHO,
> accessibility is not one of them.
Yes, initial a11y support in Gnome 3.x wasn't ideal, but thanks to
Emilio (if I remember correctly) we got some improved suppo
Jonathan Nadeau, a developer who is blind and is maintaining a distro
for users that are blind, ships GNOME 3.8 as the default desktop
environment [3]. And AFAIK, they will move to GNOME 3.10.
In any case, some people could argue that although those releases are
better, it is not worth it to upgrad
more time, I feel. Let's change the default desktop for
> > > installation to xfce.
> > > Cons:
> > > *
> >
> > What's the the status of XFCE regarding accessibility?
> >
> > That was a big strengh of GNOME for a long time, though I'
Hello,
Jean-Philippe MENGUAL (09/08/2012):
> Because if XFCE is default desktop […]
this hasn't happened yet. And might not happen at all.
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Hi,
Maybe you could report bugs you experienced here? Not sure it's perfect
to use the BTS for this, as orca doesn't work officially with XFCE, but
making a summary of bugs here seems a good idea. We could try
reproducting, test with 4.10, find workarounds, etc. I think it'
Hello,
I've asked and hoped you are all aware that this desktop environment has
many a11y related bugs.
Many of these bugs were fixed in xfce 4.10 but that version will not be
part of wheezy.
One of the big problems is to start at-spi-registryd before first gtk
application comes up.
Any wa
on Debian
(it's not a perfect solution, as MATE isn't in Deb repo but in non
official repo, anyway it's the easiest to do as we have few time before
Wheezy release).
About XFCE, orca devs say that's its capability to work with it is "in
progress". I wait for the new
Halim Sahin, le Thu 09 Aug 2012 10:14:08 +0200, a écrit :
> According to:
> http://www.muktware.com/4087/debian-wheezy-may-ship-xfce-default-desktop-environment
> gnome will may be not the default Desktop any more.
>
> What's the current a11y status of xfce in wheezy?
>
Hi,
According to:
http://www.muktware.com/4087/debian-wheezy-may-ship-xfce-default-desktop-environment
gnome will may be not the default Desktop any more.
What's the current a11y status of xfce in wheezy?
Does it come with orca installed!!!
Regards
Halim
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On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 09:24:55AM EST, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> I forgot to mention: as I'm not an Orca user, I have no idea whether
> xfce is actually usable with what is currently accessible. I can only
> say that it does technically work.
This reflects testing I have done in
I forgot to mention: as I'm not an Orca user, I have no idea whether
xfce is actually usable with what is currently accessible. I can only
say that it does technically work.
Samuel
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Hello,
I have just tried a bit xfce with Orca, it seems to be technically
working: by using
export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge
before starting the xfce session and orca, I could see orca being able
to read what I could think of: application menu, control panel, the
alt-f2 "run" w
I have a possible temporary solution. I'm able to get an accessible
panel using perlpanel in place of xfce4-panel. The only downsides to
perlpanel are a lack of keybindings and the menu; it doesn't have much
in it, at least on my system. To run it, I just type perlpanel in the
Hi,
add the following to you login shell's configuration or in
/etc/environment or ~/.profile
export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge
Then you must try to start at-spi-registryd before all other gtk
applications.
For a quickstart i would add this to startx skript but this is ugly.
Ask the xfce
"Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" writes:
>I have tried to contact many various programmers to enable support
> of Orca with XFCE desktop environment. I Am very sad, that i have no
> luck, so nobody wanted to discuss about it with me.
I can see how this is saddening.
> And i Am
Dear core developers,
I have tried to contact many various programmers to enable support of
Orca with XFCE desktop environment. I Am very sad, that i have no luck, so
nobody wanted to discuss about it with me. And i Am convinced, that it is
not require complex modiffications of at-spi
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