Re: hyperthreading or not

2006-01-24 Thread Emmanuel Fleury
Paul Brook wrote: The only way to reliably tell is to try it. Right. Hyperthreading helps some things and hurts others. I have an AMD64 hyperthreaded box at home and I don't see when it should harm... :-/ The point of hyperthreading is to use unused ressources of the processor for the

Re: Sarge AMD64 installation won't boot

2006-01-24 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 03:49:54AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and I never messed with an initrd. My understanding is that the purpose of an initrd is to provide an image of a RAMdisk containing the modules the kernel needs to access the root file system; but if the hardware and

Re: hyperthreading or not

2006-01-24 Thread Jo Shields
Emmanuel Fleury wrote: Paul Brook wrote: The only way to reliably tell is to try it. Right. Hyperthreading helps some things and hurts others. I have an AMD64 hyperthreaded box at home and I don't see when it should harm... :-/ The point of hyperthreading is to use

Re: hyperthreading or not

2006-01-24 Thread Emmanuel Fleury
Jo Shields wrote: The problem with hyperthreading is that there's only a bare minimum of distinct hardware - almost all resources are shared. notably, a pipeline stall on one thread (where the pipelines on a p4 are ridiculously long) will flufh the hyperthread's pipeline too. Ok, two threads

Re: hyperthreading or not

2006-01-24 Thread Jo Shields
Emmanuel Fleury wrote: Jo Shields wrote: The problem with hyperthreading is that there's only a bare minimum of distinct hardware - almost all resources are shared. notably, a pipeline stall on one thread (where the pipelines on a p4 are ridiculously long) will flufh the hyperthread's

Athlon Dual core support in kernel

2006-01-24 Thread Dmytro Kovalskyy
Dear All, Could someone point me which kernel to use with Athlon64 X2? Thanks in advance - Dmytro Kovalskyy, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: Athlon Dual core support in kernel

2006-01-24 Thread Emmanuel Fleury
Dmytro Kovalskyy wrote: Dear All, Could someone point me which kernel to use with Athlon64 X2? Any SMP kernel would fit. Regards -- Emmanuel Fleury morganj 0 is false and 1 is true, correct? alec_eso 1, morganj morganj bastard. -- http://bash.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Athlon Dual core support in kernel

2006-01-24 Thread Lubos Vrbka
hi, Could someone point me which kernel to use with Athlon64 X2? my machine booted happily with 2.6.12, however there are some timer synchronization problems with this kernel. the first version working correcly is 2.6.14, iirc. i run vanilla 2.6.15 on my box. regards, -- Lubos [EMAIL

Re: Athlon Dual core support in kernel

2006-01-24 Thread Dmytro Kovalskyy
В сообщении от Вторник 24 Январь 2006 12:11 Emmanuel Fleury написал(a): Dmytro Kovalskyy wrote: Dear All, Could someone point me which kernel to use with Athlon64 X2? Any SMP kernel would fit. I think, not exactly jobipok:~# dmesg|more Bootdata ok (command line is root=/dev/md0 ro

Re: Athlon Dual core support in kernel

2006-01-24 Thread X-TRaZy
Works like a charm here. I think there was several X2/SMP issues on pre 2.6.14-smp kernels [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# uname -r 2.6.15-1-amd64-k8-smp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 15 model : 35 model name

Re: Athlon Dual core support in kernel

2006-01-24 Thread Dmytro Kovalskyy
Ok, thanks to all! If to compile a new kernel which compiler version better to use gcc-3.4 or gcc-3.3? Are there some necessary options in menuconfig for the 2.6.15-1-amd64-k8-smp kernel? Ragards Works like a charm here. I think there was several X2/SMP issues on pre 2.6.14-smp

Re: Athlon Dual core support in kernel

2006-01-24 Thread X-TRaZy
Dmytro Kovalskyy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Ok, thanks to all! If to compile a new kernel which compiler version better to use gcc-3.4 or gcc-3.3? Are there some necessary options in menuconfig for the 2.6.15-1-amd64-k8-smp kernel? 2.56.15 is in SID right now...No need to compile...

Re: Athlon Dual core support in kernel

2006-01-24 Thread X-TRaZy
X-TRaZy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Dmytro Kovalskyy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Ok, thanks to all! If to compile a new kernel which compiler version better to use gcc-3.4 or gcc-3.3? Are there some necessary options in menuconfig for the 2.6.15-1-amd64-k8-smp kernel?

Re: Athlon Dual core support in kernel

2006-01-24 Thread Lubos Vrbka
Ok, thanks to all! If to compile a new kernel which compiler version better to use gcc-3.4 or gcc-3.3? Are there some necessary options in menuconfig for the 2.6.15-1-amd64-k8-smp kernel? 2.56.15 is in SID right now...No need to compile... the question is whether Dmytro wants to move to

Re: Athlon Dual core support in kernel

2006-01-24 Thread Dmytro Kovalskyy
В сообщении от Вторник 24 Январь 2006 13:32 X-TRaZy написал(a): X-TRaZy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Dmytro Kovalskyy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Ok, thanks to all! If to compile a new kernel which compiler version better to use gcc-3.4 or gcc-3.3? Are there some

Re: Athlon Dual core support in kernel

2006-01-24 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 11:18:11AM +0100, Lubos Vrbka wrote: my machine booted happily with 2.6.12, however there are some timer synchronization problems with this kernel. the first version working correcly is 2.6.14, iirc. i run vanilla 2.6.15 on my box. There are some TSC issues being

Re: Sarge AMD64 installation won't boot

2006-01-24 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 05:46:48PM -0500, Robert Isaac wrote: You could even save yourself some effort and install Yaird from backports.org :) It wasn't there when I did it. :) Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: No swap on my Debian Sid system

2006-01-24 Thread Jack Malmostoso
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:00:19 +0100, Lennart Sorensen wrote: Besides with the price of ram, a system shouldn't normally be swapping anyhow, so any minimal performance difference isn't worth considering. Neither is the cost of disk space for doing raid for swap. I completely agree with you on

Re: cdparanoia

2006-01-24 Thread Paul Koenig
I was messing with this also. I am not at home right now but if I recall you need to do scsi emulation. The device to use then is /dev/sg0(or something like this) Then the CD spools up and hammers a song out in seconds versus 10s of minutes. I am by far not an expert and struggling with

Re: How big will the 32-bit chroot end up being? What goes in these days?

2006-01-24 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 03:27:48AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. I'd read elsewhere that the AMD64 cdrdao was buggy, and the patch to fix the bugs wasn't in either Sarge or Etch yet. I guess that's out-of-date info. It is in 'stinky-pete' archive though since the patch is trivial

Re: Athlon Dual core support in kernel

2006-01-24 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 01:09:39PM +0200, Dmytro Kovalskyy wrote: Ok, thanks to all! If to compile a new kernel which compiler version better to use gcc-3.4 or gcc-3.3? Are there some necessary options in menuconfig for the 2.6.15-1-amd64-k8-smp kernel? Why not use the 2.6.15 kernel

Re: Athlon Dual core support in kernel

2006-01-24 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 01:12:29PM +0100, Lubos Vrbka wrote: the question is whether Dmytro wants to move to sid... if not, i compiled the 2.6.15 on my dual dualcore opteron box with the standard gcc that ships with sarge, i.e. 3.3.5. everything works like a charm. no special options were

Re: Sarge AMD64 installation won't boot

2006-01-24 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 03:49:54AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I have a dumbass question: why is yaird necessary at all? Or more accurately, why is an initrd necessary at all? Is it something about 2.6.x kernels? Back when I built 2.4.x kernels for my Athlon XP machine, I follwed

Re: hyperthreading or not

2006-01-24 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 06:45:01PM +0100, Thomas Steffen wrote: That kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it? The idea of HT was to increase the utilisation of core CPU groups by having two threads ready for dispatch. If one thread stalls, the other thread could still dispatch operations,

Re: Athlon Dual core support in kernel

2006-01-24 Thread Lubos Vrbka
Lennart Sorensen napsal(a): On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 01:09:39PM +0200, Dmytro Kovalskyy wrote: Ok, thanks to all! If to compile a new kernel which compiler version better to use gcc-3.4 or gcc-3.3? Are there some necessary options in menuconfig for the 2.6.15-1-amd64-k8-smp kernel? Why not

Re: Sarge AMD64 installation won't boot

2006-01-24 Thread Ken Bloom
Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Sun, Jan 22, 2006 at 09:09:23AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It worked beautifully. A day or two ago, the URL seems to have changed. http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/ works now. I didn't know port 81 had ever worked on that machine. It is run by one

Re: Sarge AMD64 installation won't boot

2006-01-24 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 12:21:10PM -0600, Ken Bloom wrote: The package may have been renamed to linux-image-* instead of kernel-image-*. It certainly would have been. :) Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: hyperthreading or not

2006-01-24 Thread Thomas Steffen
On 1/24/06, Jo Shields [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with hyperthreading is that there's only a bare minimum of distinct hardware - almost all resources are shared. notably, a pipeline stall on one thread (where the pipelines on a p4 are ridiculously long) will flufh the hyperthread's

Re: Athlon Dual core support in kernel

2006-01-24 Thread Gnu-Raiz
On Tuesday 24 January 2006 04:04 am, Dmytro Kovalskyy wrote: Dear All, Could someone point me which kernel to use with Athlon64 X2? Thanks in advance - Dmytro Kovalskyy, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at an smp kernel image, or

Re: hyperthreading or not

2006-01-24 Thread Adam Skutt
Jo Shields wrote: Hyperthreading gives an illusion of responsiveness on the desktop, but no vendor in their right minds ships servers with HT turned on. That's funny. You should tell Sun that about their Niagara processors. Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Re: cdparanoia

2006-01-24 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 09:52:36AM -0700, Paul Koenig wrote: I was messing with this also. I am not at home right now but if I recall you need to do scsi emulation. The device to use then is /dev/sg0(or something like this) Then the CD spools up and hammers a song out in seconds versus

Re: Athlon Dual core support in kernel

2006-01-24 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 07:35:21PM +0100, Lubos Vrbka wrote: Lennart Sorensen napsal(a): Why not use the 2.6.15 kernel from unstable rather than bothering with compiling your own for now? optimization, perhaps? What optimization? myself, i usually compile my own kernel to include only the

Re[8]:This is Moving

2006-01-24 Thread Inman Brittney
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Re: hyperthreading or not

2006-01-24 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 12:32:54PM -0500, Adam Skutt wrote: Jo Shields wrote: Hyperthreading gives an illusion of responsiveness on the desktop, but no vendor in their right minds ships servers with HT turned on. That's funny. You should tell Sun that about their Niagara processors.

Re-install grub.

2006-01-24 Thread Thierry LARMIER
Hello all, I want to format my FAT32 disk and re-install windows ( Windows need to be re-installed often. :-))). Yes I need windows only for game :- But I know that windows will erase my MBR :-. I saw 2 solutions with knoppix live cd : First solution #grub root (hd0,3) --- I have an

Re: Re-install grub.

2006-01-24 Thread Gian Domeni Calgeer
Am Dienstag 24 Januar 2006 21:19 schrieb Thierry LARMIER: Hello all, I want to format my FAT32 disk and re-install windows ( Windows need to be re-installed often. :-))). Yes I need windows only for game :- But I know that windows will erase my MBR :-. I saw 2 solutions with

Re: Re-install grub.

2006-01-24 Thread Corey Hickey
Thierry LARMIER wrote: Hello all, I want to format my FAT32 disk and re-install windows ( Windows need to be re-installed often. :-))). Yes I need windows only for game :- But I know that windows will erase my MBR :-. I saw 2 solutions with knoppix live cd : First solution

Re: Re-install grub.

2006-01-24 Thread Gian Domeni Calgeer
Am Dienstag 24 Januar 2006 22:22 schrieb Gian Domeni Calgeer: Am Dienstag 24 Januar 2006 21:19 schrieb Thierry LARMIER: Hello all, I want to format my FAT32 disk and re-install windows ( Windows need to be re-installed often. :-))). Yes I need windows only for game :- But I know

Re: Re-install grub.

2006-01-24 Thread Gian Domeni Calgeer
Am Dienstag 24 Januar 2006 22:54 schrieb Corey Hickey: Thierry LARMIER wrote: Hello all, I want to format my FAT32 disk and re-install windows ( Windows need to be re-installed often. :-))). Yes I need windows only for game :- But I know that windows will erase my MBR :-.

Re: Re-install grub.

2006-01-24 Thread KawaK
First, thanks to you for your answers. I tried with the debian CD installer expert mode. I choose language +keyboard. But grub is not installed at this level. So I continue with module loading in the installation. After there is partman. But I was scared to continue and scratch my debian

Gnomemeeting and pwc module (Quickcam Pro 4000)

2006-01-24 Thread Thierry LARMIER
Hello all, I have a Logitech Quickcam Pro 4000. I use the Luc Saillard's pwc module . My webcam working fine with xawtv or camstream. But not with Gnomemeeting. I don't see my beautiful face :-) but there are scrumble lines that move if I move my hand in front of the webcam. So it is a format

Re: hyperthreading or not

2006-01-24 Thread Adam Skutt
Lennart Sorensen wrote: They aren't intel netburst architecture. Someone else is free to implement hyperthreading (SMT) without a shared pipeline after all. Not sure how Sun (or IBM for that matter) do theirs. They have multiple cores per die with multiple SMT units per core. And it's very

AMD 64 CPU Chip Selection Question

2006-01-24 Thread Patrick Carlson
Hello all. I'm looking to build a new system for Debian Linux. I'm going with an AMD64 chip. However, does the Linux AMD 64 kernel support AMD64, AMD64 X2 Dual Core, and AMD64 FX? Do they all work with the same AMD64 build? Thanks for the help! :)

Re: Re-install grub.

2006-01-24 Thread Albert Oliver Serra
Hi Why don't you do a boot-disk [1], or try with a flash memory [2] (I haven't tried it) and once you have grub, you can restore your MBR from it [3]. I hope it can help you Albert [1]http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Creating-a-GRUB-boot-floppy

no sound from alsa

2006-01-24 Thread Majors, Jason
I just set up amd64 etch on my PC. I am running the 2.6.12-1-em64t-p4-smp kernel image on an intel based system. I have the following kernel modules loaded: snd_intel8x0 40064 6 snd_ac97_codec 90308 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_pcm 102792 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec

Re: AMD 64 CPU Chip Selection Question

2006-01-24 Thread Jaime Ochoa Malagón
The short anwer is Yes and Opteron too, although I don't see any text about an FX chip. On 1/24/06, Patrick Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all. I'm looking to build a new system for Debian Linux. I'm going with an AMD64 chip. However, does the Linux AMD 64 kernel support AMD64,

Re: no sound from alsa

2006-01-24 Thread Jaime Ochoa Malagón
talk about your harware model (mother board) is ever a good idea... On 1/24/06, Majors, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just set up amd64 etch on my PC. I am running the 2.6.12-1-em64t-p4-smp kernel image on an intel based system. I have the following kernel modules loaded: snd_intel8x0

Re: No swap on my Debian Sid system

2006-01-24 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Emmanuel Fleury wrote: Most of the current applications are designed to fit in 512Mo of RAM and they probably don't use yet the 64bits-span memory allocation that your processor can do. So... ;-) 2769 anthony 15 0 496m 173m 26m S 0.0 5.0 40:44.77 mozilla-thunder 6208 root 16

Re: AMD 64 CPU Chip Selection Question

2006-01-24 Thread Dean Hamstead
i was going to, and then i decided the $500 difference was better left on my credi card ;) Dean Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote: I mean about a debian in a FX machine... On 1/24/06, Dean Hamstead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the FX chip is the gaming model or something its a little faster and costs a

Re: No swap on my Debian Sid system

2006-01-24 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Jack Malmostoso wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo /sbin/mdadm -Q /dev/md1 Password: /dev/md1: is an md device which is not active /dev/md1: is too small to be an md component. Considering that you ran mkswap on the underlying partitions it is wholey unsurprising that you destroyed md1. Hint: