Re: Removing dpkg arch definition for arm64ilp32?

2023-11-11 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 08:36:16PM +, Wookey wrote: >On 2023-11-11 18:57 +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: >> Hi! >> >> On Fri, 2023-10-27 at 20:17:21 -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> > On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 02:29:30PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >>

Re: Bug#1054583: dpkg-dev: really enable -fstack-clash-protection onarmhf/armel

2023-10-27 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 10:30:33AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: >On 10/27/23 09:30, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> >> Are either of those ports (armeb/arm64ilp32) actually useful / alive >> at this point? >> >Another architecture you might consider adding is whatever is us

Re: Bug#1054583: dpkg-dev: really enable -fstack-clash-protection on armhf/armel

2023-10-27 Thread Steve McIntyre
32 as far as >I'm aware. I'd suggest enabling the feature only on armhf/armel for the >time being. Are either of those ports (armeb/arm64ilp32) actually useful / alive at this point? -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "You can't barbecue lettuce!" -- Ellie Crane

Re: unbreaking LibreOffices tests on at least release architectures

2023-06-18 Thread Steve McIntyre
t. > >Must have misremembered. It still does - I got this copy via the debian-arm list... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "This dress doesn't reverse." -- Alden Spiess

Re: Bug#1029843: live-boot: Devices Requiring Firmware: multiple requested files in single line overlapping / special characters

2023-05-09 Thread Steve McIntyre
nst that background, I genuinely think Microsoft have done the sensible thing by sticking to ACPI rather than embracing DT for Arm platforms... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Dance like no one's watching. Encrypt like everyone is. - @torproject

Re: Status of dpkg-shlibdeps tracking ARM object linkage ABI mismatches

2023-05-03 Thread Steve McIntyre
hen maybe we might find some help from Wookey or Emmanuel (who should both be reading this list!). >(I think at least the issue with wine should be solved now with commit >https://salsa.debian.org/wine-team/wine/-/commit/51f48d3e6c04cef760610d14ba5f368e7f2baf7a) Nod. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge,

Re: Kernel doesn't find SATA ports on Softiron 1000 (arm64 Seattle)

2023-03-04 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sun, Mar 05, 2023 at 12:09:24AM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: >Source: linux >Version: 6.1.12-1 >Severity: important > >Hey folks, > >I've just upgraded my Seattle-based system to bookworm and it no >longer finds the onboard AHCI SATA storage so it stops at an initr

Re: About ARM

2023-02-11 Thread Steve McIntyre
ither. In terms of booting the installer, there are a range of images that you can use for different U-Boot machines, or with EFI you should be able to use the standard ISOs. The libreboot link from Paolo is talking about ancient x86 hardware with coreboot, which isn't really relevant here. -- Steve McIn

Re: another attempt at Y2038

2022-10-18 Thread Steve McIntyre
er binaries AFAICS.) I don't want to be rude, but I really don't see how m68k fits here. Of course, feel free to do a rebootstrap if you like, but I genuinely don't see any great need for it. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com “Changing random s

Re: On the existance of arm* porters

2022-08-25 Thread Steve McIntyre
uess >not. Argh. I used to do this, but I don't have the time or the inclination to step up any more. I'm very surprised to not see Wookey not list himself, tbh. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com 'There is some grim amusement in watching Pence try

Re: Debian on Pine64 H64B?

2021-09-04 Thread Steve McIntyre
really* going to help motivate the various folks who are working on support for Arm platforms, most of them doing that work on their own time as volunteers. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "This dress doesn't reverse." -- Alden Spiess

Re: WARNING! shim-signed on arm64 in buster may fail to boot

2021-06-22 Thread Steve McIntyre
the same error :-). Yup. I'll have to respin the installer images soon. I'm also looking at another shim upload, so I'm probably going to wait for that yet. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "This dress doesn't reverse." -- Alden Spiess

Re: WARNING! shim-signed on arm64 in buster may fail to boot

2021-06-21 Thread Steve McIntyre
Hi again, On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:46:53AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >In testing of the 10.10. point release over the weekend, we found a >significant problem with shim-signed on arm64. ... >I'm working on a more user-friendly fix now, and I hope to push it out >via the

WARNING! shim-signed on arm64 in buster may fail to boot

2021-06-21 Thread Steve McIntyre
support to make that work. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "...In the UNIX world, people tend to interpret `non-technical user' as meaning someone who's only ever written one device driver." -- Daniel Pead

Re: Feedback from the community -> ARM

2021-06-13 Thread Steve McIntyre
m, especially as it's been >demonstrated that, even for an SBC as quirky and as ill-suited for it as the >Raspberry Pi (and that was part of the point of the whole exercise), it is >not that difficult to achieve. +1000 -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.

Re: Debian on Apple M1 hardware

2021-03-13 Thread Steve McIntyre
he other problem is that I do not think that we can repartition Apple >file systems yet, which adds a "play around with the Apple >repartitioning software until you finally have a linuxable partition" >step (I did that, and it made me hate macOS)... Ugh. That process looks hateful :-( -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com There's no sensation to compare with this Suspended animation, A state of bliss

Re: Bug#976481: libatomic-queue: FTBFS on arm64: hardware.hpp:25:6: error: #warning "No hardware_pause implementation available - falling back to local volatile noop." [-Werror=cpp]

2020-12-05 Thread Steve McIntyre
tsc" : "=a"(lo), "=d"(hi)); return (static_cast(hi) << 32) | static_cast(lo); } #elif defined(_M_AMD64) static inline std::uint64_t getticks(void) { return __rdtsc(); } #else // TODO - add support for more compilers! #error "Unsupported compi

Re: Bug#976572: bio-eagle: FTBFS: MemoryUtils.hpp:34:10: fatal error: xmmintrin.h: No such file or directory

2020-12-05 Thread Steve McIntyre
Either the package doesn't support non-x86, or there's a bug and it's mis-detecting which platform you're on. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Mature Sporty Personal More Innovation More Adult A Man in Dandism Powered Midship Specialty

Re: Linker issues for libssw on armel, mips64el and mipsel

2020-08-12 Thread Steve McIntyre
ild doesn't even attempt to make the library libssw.a. Check the Makefiles etc. to see if it has hard-coded architecture support? -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English

Re: Graphical installer on arm64 (netboot and cdrom)

2020-07-07 Thread Steve McIntyre
them, or I can >resend them if you want. > >[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2020/05/msg00178.html > >There's also a small change I posted for bug #961590 [2] that includes >fb-modules in the netboot pkg-list, I'd be glad if that could be merged as >well. > >[2] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=961590#30 > -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Mature Sporty Personal More Innovation More Adult A Man in Dandism Powered Midship Specialty

Re: Bug#956418: src:glibc: Please provide optimized builds for ARMv8.1

2020-05-06 Thread Steve McIntyre
be ambarrassed as you point out the obvious flaw I'm missing...) -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "... the premise [is] that privacy is about hiding a wrong. It's not. Privacy is an inherent human right, and a requirement for maintaining the huma

Re: Graphical installer on arm64 (netboot and cdrom)

2020-04-27 Thread Steve McIntyre
built >debian-testing-arm64-xfce-CD-1.iso on my chromebook. Overall rushing through >the graphical installation went just fine. Just some minor hardware-specific >problems, and I had to handle chromeos bootloader stuff manually, but nothing >wrong with the graphical parts from what I c

Re: Bug#956418: src:glibc: Please provide optimized builds for ARMv8.1

2020-04-22 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 01:08:46PM -0400, Noah Meyerhans wrote: >On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 05:48:27PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> I think the -moutline-atomics is probably good to enable by default >> once we've got it (gcc 10). that's the suggestion I've heard from gcc >>

Re: Bug#956418: src:glibc: Please provide optimized builds for ARMv8.1

2020-04-22 Thread Steve McIntyre
nions on this matter? It's a good question, and thanks for asking! I definitely think it's worth doing -moutline-atomics, and I'm hoping Steve can share some performance numbers to help convince. :-) -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Who needs computer imagery when you've got Brian Blessed?

Re: Graphical installer on arm64 (netboot and cdrom)

2020-04-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 07:36:42PM +0300, Alper Nebi Yasak wrote: >On 20/04/2020 18:38, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> Does /dev/tty0 show up in /proc/consoles in your setup? We might need >> to tweak that yet... > >Here is a small but untested patch for rootskel's reopen-co

Re: Graphical installer on arm64 (netboot and cdrom)

2020-04-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 03:43:57PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 03:21:20PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >>On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 05:03:02PM +0300, Alper Nebi Yasak wrote: >>>On 20/04/2020 16:36, Steve McIntyre wrote: >>>> I'm just going

Re: Graphical installer on arm64 (netboot and cdrom)

2020-04-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 06:06:55PM +0200, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: >W dniu 20.04.2020 o 17:54, Steve McIntyre pisze: > >> OK. Can you edit the grub command line and add "console=tty0" before >> starting please? > >Now I have two d-i running. One on tty0, one o

Re: Graphical installer on arm64 (netboot and cdrom)

2020-04-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 05:51:03PM +0200, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: >W dniu 20.04.2020 o 17:38, Steve McIntyre pisze: >> Hey Marcin! >> >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 05:36:30PM +0200, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: >>> W dniu 20.04.2020 o 16:43, Steve McIntyre

Re: Graphical installer on arm64 (netboot and cdrom)

2020-04-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
Hey Marcin! On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 05:36:30PM +0200, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: >W dniu 20.04.2020 o 16:43, Steve McIntyre pisze: > >> Try the image at >> >> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/arm64-gi/ > >Booted VM with it. Debian installer started

Re: Graphical installer on arm64 (netboot and cdrom)

2020-04-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 03:21:20PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 05:03:02PM +0300, Alper Nebi Yasak wrote: >>On 20/04/2020 16:36, Steve McIntyre wrote: >>> I'm just going to test again with that change included, then I can >>> push a netinst imag

Re: Graphical installer on arm64 (netboot and cdrom)

2020-04-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 05:03:02PM +0300, Alper Nebi Yasak wrote: >On 20/04/2020 16:36, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> I'm just going to test again with that change included, then I can >> push a netinst image somewhere for you to test... > >I'd appreciate it. Here's ano

Re: Graphical installer on arm64 (netboot and cdrom)

2020-04-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:23:06PM +0300, Alper Nebi Yasak wrote: >On 16/04/2020 15:40, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:43:36PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> > >> > ACK. >> > >> > Building locally to test here... >> >&g

Re: Graphical installer on arm64 (netboot and cdrom)

2020-04-16 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:43:36PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >ACK. > >Building locally to test here... And I have a build that looks OK by eye. Unfortunately, my local test machine (Macchiatobin) seems to be dying and I can't test this effectively now. :-( It needs some ti

Re: Graphical installer on arm64 (netboot and cdrom)

2020-04-14 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 10:11:12PM +0300, Alper Nebi Yasak wrote: >On 06/04/2020 17:48, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> > Alper Nebi Yasak: >> > - added event-modules to arm64 netboot-gtk >> > - commented-out serial-modules from arm64 netboot >> >> So w

Re: Graphical installer on arm64 (netboot and cdrom)

2020-04-06 Thread Steve McIntyre
#include "gtk-linux" >+ >+#mouse-modules-${kernel:Version} >+event-modules-${kernel:Version} >+xserver-xorg-input-evdev-udeb >+xserver-xorg-video-fbdev-udeb >+ >+#speakup-modules-${kernel:Version} >+#sound-modules-${kernel:Version} >+#console-setup-linux

Re: Trying Debian/armhf rebootstrap with time64

2020-03-23 Thread Steve McIntyre
it would also > help find and fix additional bugs in packages, and make an > interesting unoffical Debian target, I don't see it replacing > the existing armhf port any time soon. Ditto. Thanks for the great summary of what you've been working on! -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "When C++ is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb." -- Steven M. Haflich

Re: Y2038 - best way forward in Debian?

2020-02-11 Thread Steve McIntyre
a lot of them are using Debian as a base already - see the Civil Infrastructure Platform as an example: https://www.cip-project.org/ As these people are already engaging in ELTS work, I don't expect that this setup is going to go away any time soon. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.

Y2038 - best way forward in Debian?

2020-02-04 Thread Steve McIntyre
better path? Feel free to point out things you think I may have missed. We should get started on this soon - the longer we leave it, the more likely it is that we'll see 2038 bugs biting people. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "Yes, of cours

Re: Build failure of janest-base on arm64...

2020-01-14 Thread Steve McIntyre
=sid > >This looks like ~ 70 arm64-only Build-Attempted failures since buildd >chroots were regenerated on Sunday, in a wide variety of packages. Ah, that's useful to know. I wish I'd seen that before disappearing down a rabbit-hole yesterday! :-/ -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.

Re: Build failure of janest-base on arm64...

2020-01-13 Thread Steve McIntyre
that file defines the expected cpuinfo flags. *Guessing* - is something in ocaml trying to parse the cpuinfo flags and making a mistake? That *might* explain why you're getting different results here from one machine to the next. But that's just a guess. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.

Re: MP30-AR0 arm64 sdcard slot not detected

2019-10-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
latform should normally use a DTB provided by firmware. There are bits of the platform that are configured by firmware at boot, so you can't reliably use a static DTB with the kernel image. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "The problem with defending t

BoF at DC19

2019-05-07 Thread Steve McIntyre
Hey folks, I've just registered a session for the usual BoF at DebConf. If you have any specific topics you'd like to raise, please let me know... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Mature Sporty Personal More Innovation More Adult A Man

Re: Debian Installer on Pine64+ (no serial console)

2019-05-04 Thread Steve McIntyre
sers. Andrei - how was your SD card formatted when you started? Inside d-i, partman should not be creating a new partition table if there's one already there. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com We don't need no education. We don't need no thought control.

Re: Does ARMEL toolchain include NEON support?

2019-03-03 Thread Steve McIntyre
cally, no. The toolchains are set up to explicitly set flags to state which ABI a binary is targeting. It's not possible to say "both". -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "This dress doesn't reverse." -- Alden Spiess

Re: Does ARMEL toolchain include NEON support?

2019-02-28 Thread Steve McIntyre
ers must get passed >in integer registers since there are no floating-point registers >in the ABI. Nod. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com We don't need no education. We don't need no thought control.

Re: Does ARMEL toolchain include NEON support?

2019-02-28 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 09:05:04AM +, Ian Campbell wrote: >On Wed, 2019-02-27 at 23:45 +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> >> So this is a place where the world is just *different* compared to x86 >> - the different versions of the ARM architectures have signficantly >

Re: Does ARMEL toolchain include NEON support?

2019-02-27 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 06:30:36PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: >On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 5:46 PM Steve McIntyre wrote: >> >> So, I've got to ask - what hardware are you likely targeting here >> where it matters to build stuff for armel yet also use NEON if it's >

Re: Does ARMEL toolchain include NEON support?

2019-02-27 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 04:59:50PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: >On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 4:01 PM Steve McIntyre wrote: >> >> OK. In your build log I can see >> >> n file included from aria_simd.cpp:19: >> /usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnueabi/8/include/arm_neon.h:31:2: e

Re: Does ARMEL toolchain include NEON support?

2019-02-27 Thread Steve McIntyre
EON intrinsics not available with the soft-float ABI. Please use -mfloat-abi=softfp or -mfloat-abi=hard" What errors do you get if you try -mfloat-abi=softfp (etc.)? To be able to use NEON support you may also have to specify a CPU/FPU combination that includes it - the default a

Re: Multiple console support in d-i

2019-02-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
fit together. > >Have I missed anything? > >Does anyone care about all this? Shall I just stop now (it's working >fine) or tidy a bit more to make the names clearer and reduce the >cruft further? As I said, I'm happy to test a clean rolled-up set of patches, one per d-i "package". If that works and looks OK, I say "go for it" but we need to be it ASAP. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say." -- Edward Snowden

Re: After update to latest Stretch--boot stops

2019-02-19 Thread Steve McIntyre
the armhf kernel for this update. A fixed kernel is on its way very soon, but for now you can manually download and install a locally-built package from Julien at https://people.debian.org/~jcristau/linux-922478/ [1] https://bugs.debian.org/922748 -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK

Re: Multiple console support in d-i

2019-01-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 01:16:43PM +, Ian Campbell wrote: >On Sat, 2019-01-19 at 11:08 +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> >So far I have done a proof-of-concept hack and demonstrated that >> >running two instances does in fact work nicely without anything >> >

Re: Multiple console support in d-i

2019-01-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
n't aware of /proc/consoles, and it does sound like exactly the right thing to be looking at. :-) -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Into the distance, a ribbon of black Stretched to the point of no turning back

Re: arm64 graphical installer

2019-01-19 Thread Steve McIntyre
oot/gtk/arm64.cfg >b/build/pkg-lists/netboot/gtk/arm64.cfg >new file mode 100644 >index 000..2d8530a >--- /dev/null >+++ b/build/pkg-lists/netboot/gtk/arm64.cfg >@@ -0,0 +1,10 @@ >+#include "gtk-linux" >+ >+#mouse-modules-${kernel:Version} >+xserver-xorg-input-evdev-udeb >+xserver-xorg-video-fbdev-udeb >+ >+#speakup-modules-${kernel:Version} >+#sound-modules-${kernel:Version} >+#console-setup-linux-fonts-udeb >+#espeakup-udeb -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com < Aardvark> I dislike C++ to start with. C++11 just seems to be handing rope-creating factories for users to hang multiple instances of themselves.

Re: Rebuilding the entire Debian archive twice on arm64 hardware for fun and proft

2019-01-07 Thread Steve McIntyre
very similar cause and solution. ACK, good call and thanks for the link! That looks like exactly the problem, still. 18 months later with no response from the maintainers. :-( -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "I used to be the first kid on the

Re: Rebuilding the entire Debian archive twice on arm64 hardware for fun and proft

2019-01-06 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Mon, Jan 07, 2019 at 12:07:49AM +, peter green wrote: >On 06/01/19 23:45, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> In my initial testing for rebuilding armhf only, I did not enable >> either of these. I was then finding *lots* of "Illegal Instruction" >> cr

Rebuilding the entire Debian archive twice on arm64 hardware for fun and proft

2019-01-06 Thread Steve McIntyre
esults here. I still have my machines set up for easy rebuilds, so reproducing things and testing fixes is quite easy - just ask! -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Armed with "Valor": "Centurion" represents quality of Discipline,

Re: coturn - bus error on armhf

2018-12-22 Thread Steve McIntyre
couple of days ago. See https://bugs.debian.org/916919 -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com You lock the door And throw away the key There's someone in my head but it's not me

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-24 Thread Steve McIntyre
;machinery. Why? Because we also have an SPI driver as part of LinuxCNC >that actually works, at mind boggling data rates. Sorry Gene, but that's utterly irrelevant to this discussion. We know you're interested in LinuxCNC, but not everybody is... -- Steve McInt

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-23 Thread Steve McIntyre
m64 iron, so for me a server arm64 board with PCIe slots >(and thus PCIe graphic cards) and on-board Aspeed "VGA card" is more common >compared to GLES-enabled arm64 SoC. Yeah - it depends exactly on your background. There's a small (but growing) set of arm64 desktop users, and

Re: Summary of the Arm ports BoF at DC18

2018-10-28 Thread Steve McIntyre
>On 20-09-18 10:24, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> * I'm expecting to pick up several Synquacer machines (24-core Cortex >>A53) to use for Debian, donated by Linaro. Some will become >>buildds, wanting to get more to use for autopkgtest, debian-ci, >>reproduc

Re: icinga2 in stretch-backports: build failures on arm{el,hf}

2018-10-16 Thread Steve McIntyre
e in "base" to see what it's doing with memory. Yet I can see that other builds are fine (e.g. 2.9.2-1 in unstable). An optimisation problem maybe? -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Armed with "Valor": "Centurion" represen

Re: Package guile-2.2 is not building on armel (Not-For-Us)... Why?

2018-10-07 Thread Steve McIntyre
-2.0 throughout buster if we can. Right now I'm finishing up analysis from doing full rebuilds of the archive for both armhf and armel on arm64 hosts. More news shortly... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "Arguing that you don't care about t

Re: Summary of the Arm ports BoF at DC18

2018-09-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 09:49:45PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: >Hi Steve, > >On 20-09-18 10:24, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> * I'm expecting to pick up several Synquacer machines (24-core Cortex >>A53) to use for Debian, donated by Linaro. Some will become >>buildds,

Summary of the Arm ports BoF at DC18

2018-09-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
ttps://lists.debian.org/debian-arm/2018/06/msg00062.html -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "When C++ is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb." -- Steven M. Haflich signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: armel/armhf arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-07-24 Thread Steve McIntyre
re with ARM Cortex Cores. >Alternatively, X-Gene 1. ThunderX, ThunderX2 and Centriq are definitely not >supported. Agreed on the others, but X-Gene 1 works just fine for A32. Not sure about later cores... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Dance like no one's watching. Encrypt like everyone is. - @torproject

Re: Building armel on arm64

2018-07-24 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:22:36AM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: >On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 07:27:15AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >>... >> The next big problem I can see is in our haskell packages for >> armhf. From my build log for haskell-zxcvbn-c_1.0.1-4.

Re: Building armel on arm64

2018-07-24 Thread Steve McIntyre
etup building armel on arm64, perhaps on the same arm-arm-01. Possibly. Let's see how things go - I'm looking at sourcing many more machines too... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "I can't ever sleep on planes ... call it irrational if you like, but I'm afraid I'll miss my stop" -- Vivek Das Mohapatra

Arm ports build machines (was Re: Arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concerns)

2018-06-29 Thread Steve McIntyre
/ [2] https://www.cnx-software.com/2017/09/24/gigabyte-synquacer-96boards-enterprise-platform-is-powered-by-socionext-sc2a11-24-core-armv8-soc/) [3] https://www.qualcomm.com/products/qualcomm-centriq-2400-processor [4] https://www.cavium.com/product-thunderx2-arm-processors.html [5] http://open-estua

Re: Arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concerns

2018-06-29 Thread Steve McIntyre
le >for some time. Nod. The "fun" thing we see is that quite a few of the biggest AArch64 CPUs are A64-only, but there's still a selection of things available that I think look OK. I'll post separately in a moment about that... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Is there anybody out there?

Re: debian installer on arm64

2018-01-15 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 08:16:07PM +0100, Thorsten Alteholz wrote: >Hi Steve, > >On Sat, 13 Jan 2018, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 07:59:14PM +0100, Thorsten Alteholz wrote: >> > am I right that this U-Boot stumbles over partition id 0xef of t

Re: debian installer on arm64

2018-01-13 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 07:59:14PM +0100, Thorsten Alteholz wrote: >Hi Steve, > >On Fri, 12 Jan 2018, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> No, not at all. Unfortunately, the Macchiatobin still ships with >> U-Boot installed as the default firmware and it's not all that useful >>

Re: debian installer on arm64

2018-01-11 Thread Steve McIntyre
an.org/daily-images/arm64/ >[2] https://wiki.debian.org/Arm64Port [3] https://wiki.solid-run.com/doku.php?id=products:a8040:communityboard:dipswitch [4] http://eciton.net/~leif/macchiatobin/flash-image-17.10.bin [5] https://lists.einval.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/macc

Re: 0ad FTBFS on arm64: help expected

2017-11-29 Thread Steve McIntyre
ipt world. It takes a lot of effort to port to new architectures, but due to awful API/ABI practices there are embedded (out-of-date, buggy and insecure) copies all over the place. :-( -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com You lock the door And throw away the key There's someone in my head but it's not me

Re: Anyone using stretch/buster/sid on ARMv4t ?

2017-11-07 Thread Steve McIntyre
mel are Marvell Armada XP GP dev boards, commissioned in early 2014. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "Because heaters aren't purple!" -- Catherine Pitt

Re: how to distinguish armel and armhf at runtime?

2017-09-22 Thread Steve McIntyre
t's perfectly possible to have headers etc. for both on a single system with multi-arch (for example). It's an ABI choice, not a hardware difference. What are you trying to work this out for? Package build time? -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com

Re: Summary of the Arm ports BoF at DC17

2017-09-17 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 07:11:38PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: >On Thu, 2017-09-14 at 03:40 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >[...] >> There is optional kernel support to trap the exceptions here >> and emulate the instructions, but it's really not recommended for >> seri

Re: Summary of the Arm ports BoF at DC17

2017-09-14 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 12:06:13PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: >On Sep 14, Steve McIntyre <st...@einval.com> wrote: > >> The Pine64 [6] is another alternative, based on a mobile CPU. It's >> therefore got limited RAM and I/O. Upstreaming has taken a while, but >> is g

Re: Summary of the Arm ports BoF at DC17

2017-09-14 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 12:58:02PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: >On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >> It's possible to replace the installed U-Boot >> on many boards, but that depends on hardware support being properly >> upstreamed; lack of that ups

Summary of the Arm ports BoF at DC17

2017-09-13 Thread Steve McIntyre
15.html [4] https://www.scaleway.com/ [5] https://www.solid-run.com/product/armada-8040-networking-community-board/ [6] https://www.pine64.org/ [7] https://www.pine64.org/?page_id=3707 [8] https://wiki.debian.org/Arm64ilp32Port -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einv

Re: arm64: Booting from USB with UEFI?

2017-08-17 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:40:28PM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote: >Steve McIntyre <st...@einval.com> wrote: >> > >> >What's the state here? >> >Can arm64 boot directly from USB? >> >> Bugger. That's a mistake, yes. Quite a few (most?) of the arm64

Re: arm64: Booting from USB with UEFI?

2017-08-17 Thread Steve McIntyre
stake, yes. Quite a few (most?) of the arm64 UEFI platforms will boot from USB, and we've been making iso-hybrid CD images to support that ever since Jessie. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "C++ ate my sanity" -- Jon Rabone

Re: Bug#864848: Should not talk about hd-media - that's armhf only

2017-08-17 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 09:17:22PM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote: >On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 22:51:21 +0100 >Steve McIntyre <st...@einval.com> wrote: >> Package: installation-guide-armel >> Severity: normal >> >> As seen in >> >> https://www.

Bug#862941: binNMUs needed for multiple arm64 packages (#850814)

2017-05-18 Thread Steve McIntyre
Package: release.debian.org Severity: normal User: release.debian@packages.debian.org Usertags: binnmu Hey folks, As first discussed a while back, we've had a bug in gold which caused some broken builds of some arm64 packages. These were mostly in backports, with a few example in the early

Re: d-i manual: 3 "jessie" remain in current guide

2017-04-18 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 12:21:01AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: >Hello Steve, > >Steve McIntyre, on dim. 09 avril 2017 01:53:01 +0100, wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 08, 2017 at 05:39:20PM -0700, Vagrant Cascadian wrote: >> >So, unless it's implemented outside of the device-tre

Re: debian-installer now available in Ports

2017-04-12 Thread Steve McIntyre
it to work OK. I've offered before: I don't have the time personally to work on building ports images, but I'm more than happy to help other people getting them building on our official infrastructure... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Who needs computer imagery when you've got Brian Blessed?

Re: d-i manual: 3 "jessie" remain in current guide

2017-04-08 Thread Steve McIntyre
r doing a temporary build in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/arm64-mustang/ . I've not tested a stretch installation directly on a Mustang lately. The machine I used for the jessie testing has since been repurposed as a buildd. I'll see if I can access to test another. -- Steve McIntyre, Cam

Re: Bug#853793: dpkg: ABI mismatch detector is too strict on armel/armhf

2017-02-02 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 02:42:26PM +0100, Jens Reyer wrote: >On 02/02/2017 02:30 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> Dropping the -nostdlib argument to the gcc call inside sonames2elf >> makes a difference - it'll add libc6 to the mix and force the output >> to match the system you

Re: Bug#853793: dpkg: ABI mismatch detector is too strict on armel/armhf

2017-02-02 Thread Steve McIntyre
Hi, On Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 05:10:14AM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: >On Wed, 2017-02-01 at 15:34:04 +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> >> Please don't go down that route, the ABI flags are intended to save >> people from that. I'm curious what's going wrong with libgsm1 he

Re: Bug#853793: dpkg: ABI mismatch detector is too strict on armel/armhf

2017-02-02 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 05:03:13PM +0100, Jens Reyer wrote: >On 02/01/2017 04:34 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> >> Please don't go down that route, the ABI flags are intended to save >> people from that. I'm curious what's going wrong with libgsm1 here >> such that we'r

Re: Bug#853793: dpkg: ABI mismatch detector is too strict on armel/armhf

2017-02-01 Thread Steve McIntyre
worried about EABIv4, does the logic of the dpkg checker not match the checks we added in glibc itself? -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Mature Sporty Personal More Innovation More Adult A Man in Dandism Powered Midship Specialty

Re: armel after Stretch

2016-12-13 Thread Steve McIntyre
Roger Shimizu wrote: >On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 12:53 AM, Steve McIntyre <st...@einval.com> wrote: >> >> There are kernel helpers available to provide some atomic support, but >> they'll be very slow compared to real hardware support at this level. > >Are those ker

Re: armel after Stretch

2016-12-13 Thread Steve McIntyre
eak release work for testing migration etc. unless people are very careful... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com < Aardvark> I dislike C++ to start with. C++11 just seems to be handing rope-creating factories for users to hang multiple instances of themselves.

Re: armel after Stretch

2016-12-07 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 05:05:58PM +0100, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: >On 07/12/16 16:53, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> * It will need somebody happy to dive into the lower levels of the >>various toolchains to verify support for atomics and make things >>work w

Re: armel after Stretch (was: Summary of the ARM ports BoF at DC16)

2016-12-07 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 08:50:40PM +0900, Roger Shimizu wrote: >[ intentionally keep d-d CCed ] > >On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 02:36:05 +0100 >Steve McIntyre <st...@einval.com> wrote: > >> [ Please note the cross-post and Reply-To ] >> >> Hi folks, >> &

Re: Please give back prometheus on armel

2016-11-24 Thread Steve McIntyre
db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=antheil > >henze is an armhf buildd that also builds armel, but antheil is an armel >buildd, >like abel, so that seems fine. Correct - they're exactly the same hardware, using the same kernel etc. The only difference is that some of these are using an ar

Re: Daily d-i builds fail on armhf and armel with segfault in mklibs

2016-09-13 Thread Steve McIntyre
blibs | grep -v 'usr/lib/xorg/modules/.*\.so'` INFO: Using /lib/ld-linux.so.2 as dynamic linker Segmentation fault Command failed with status 139 : mklibs-readelf -R ./tmp/cdrom_gtk/tree/sbin/blkid ... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "The pro

Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release

2016-09-08 Thread Steve McIntyre
first quick-hack attempt failed dismally, so I'm midway down a more disruptive but thorough set of changes now. Once that's working, I'll ask on -devel again for package lists. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "I used to be the first kid on the block wanting a cranial implant, now I want to be the first with a cranial firewall. " -- Charlie Stross

Re: Porter roll call for Debian Stretch

2016-08-19 Thread Steve McIntyre
effect we expect is a small performance impact. If anything more crops up, we have expert help available. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "Because heaters aren't purple!" -- Catherine Pitt signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Summary of the ARM ports BoF at DC16

2016-08-11 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 11:47:12AM +, Riku Voipio wrote: >On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 02:36:05AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> armhf >> = >> Current port, first released with Wheezy. Due to cross-distro effort, >> this setup (ARMv7 EABI using VFPv3D-16) is the defa

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