On Jul 23, 2006, at 1:49 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
On Jul 23, 2006, at 6:58 AM, Geert Stappers wrote:
On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 02:14:26AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
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Installation on (OldWorld) PowerMac beige G3 (Gossamer) using miBoot
floppies and netinst CDrom
that it was actually tasksel
that hung. Sorry for any confusion this may have caused.
Hope this helps!
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On Jul 23, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Frans Pop wrote:
On Monday 24 July 2006 02:36, Rick Thomas wrote:
I have not yet tried using lspci on a system during installation. Do
you need that test done?
You should be able to simply check if the lspci output is present in
(IIRC) /var/log/installer
of an overworked sysadmin who finds
herself installing a dozen machines at once.
Thanks!
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On Jul 22, 2006, at 3:01 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 11:19:06PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
On Friday 21 July 2006 22:09, Rick Thomas wrote:
Putting the install CDrom into sources.list makes sense when you are
installing from a full CD (or DVD) set, because there's a large
On Jul 22, 2006, at 4:45 AM, Jens Seidel wrote:
Hi Rick,
On Sat, Jul 22, 2006 at 03:55:28AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
Hmmm... That doesn't square with my recent experience. I've had
aptitude hang on me a couple of times with messages saying
(approximately -- from memory) can't read cdrom
On Jul 21, 2006, at 4:37 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 09:13:51PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
Some testing also noted that /etc/apt/sources.list includes the
install CD as a source. I don't think this is a good idea -- it
means that I have to hang onto the install CD
.
I'll try again -- both netinst and businesscard -- latest daily and
report back.
Rick
On Jul 21, 2006, at 12:50 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
On Jul 21, 2006, at 10:50 AM, Eddy Petrişor wrote:
I call BS :-D !
Joke aside, this i from a system installed on Monday via a
buisnesscard CD:
... sources.list snipped...
I don't see any CD source.
Maybe you were talking about netinst
I'm curious... On the cdimage.d.o server there seem to be two
parallel series of daily-build debian-installer cd images. They are
clearly different, but why?
Enjoy!
Rick
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Name
from
the installed system. I *was* able to get it (as part of the
pciutils package) from the mirror via aptitude. So it's not
missing completely.
Full log files are available on request...
Enjoy!
Rick
| Jul 20 05
On Jul 20, 2006, at 7:24 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it
Initial boot: [o]
Detect network card:[o]
Configure network: [o]
Detect CD: [o]
Load installer modules: [o
On Jul 20, 2006, at 7:24 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
2) However, strangely, the lspci command seems to be missing
from the installed system. I *was* able to get it (as part of the
pciutils package) from the mirror via aptitude. So it's not
missing completely.
Interestingly... I had
Package: installation-reports
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BootX and netinst CD (see below)
I also tried using the businesscard CD witht he same results
Image version: Full URL to image you downloaded is best
On Jul 15, 2006, at 4:21 AM, Holger Levsen wrote:
Hi,
On Friday 14 July 2006 14:55, Rick Thomas wrote:
This bug (258545) can be closed as wont fix. It's not reasonable
(or possible -- I think) to do what I wanted and what your revised
bug title asks for.
We can detect hfs-partitions
On Jul 15, 2006, at 2:51 PM, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
* Rick Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-07-15 01:48]:
Yeah, ntpdate will do the job, and it's a good bit smaller than the
full ntp-simple package.
The alternative you were thinking of *may* be chrony.
Maybe, although it seems that ntpdate
will
allow you the option to ask for the address of a preferred NTP
server. But if you use this option, you need to think about what to
do if it fails.
Doing something that will work in the easy cases is pretty straight-
forward.
Getting the corner cases right is non-trivial.
Rick
On Jul 14
On Jul 13, 2006, at 1:46 AM, Daniel Dickinson wrote:
I downgraded the bug report on the kernel, but then I realized you
might not be using the kernel I thought. Did you install 2.6.15 or
2.6.16? 2.6.16 is the one that has the issues.
I'm using the 2.6.15 kernel.
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So go figure!
Rick
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designation for your machine.
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and bringing up-to-date. Any help on that
would be appreciated.
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reports, for lack of a better. Will somebody who understands such
things please assign it to an appropriate priority and package?
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and quik.
I'm willing to help with testing/debugging either or both of these
two projects (floppy quik and merged bootloader) on my testing Beige
G3 (I can also get occasional access to a few other types of old
Macs, if that would be helpful).
Please keep me in the loop.
Thanks!
Rick
On Jul 12, 2006, at 12:06 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
On Jul 11, 2006, at 6:10 PM, Frans Pop wrote:
On Tuesday 11 July 2006 23:43, Rick Thomas wrote:
Interestingly enough, I just tried this with the corresponding
BusinessCard image and it worked just fine.
Could it be that the first time you
production bootloader.
It wasn't a trivial exercise. I encountered and overcame several
bits of buggy behavior. I will be describing the process and
submitting bug reports on these problems in good time.
Enjoy!
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On Jul 10, 2006, at 9:18 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
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Description of the install, in prose, and any thoughts, comments
and ideas you had during the initial install.
Tasksel died refusing with it's last breath to install untrusted
packages.
Earlier
On Jul 11, 2006, at 6:10 PM, Frans Pop wrote:
On Tuesday 11 July 2006 23:43, Rick Thomas wrote:
Interestingly enough, I just tried this with the corresponding
BusinessCard image and it worked just fine.
Could it be that the first time you tried during a mirror sync?
That could
maybe
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large and infrequently used packages?
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On Jun 28, 2006, at 7:17 AM, Holger Levsen wrote:
Hi Rick,
partitioning works now, sarge has been released, can we close this
bug? :-)
regards,
Holger
Makes sense to me.
Thanks!
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retrofitting them back in?
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On Jun 23, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Magnus Käck wrote:
I recently installed testing ppc on my mac mini with no problems,
but just after I upgraded and now I get this during boot.
i8042.c: No controller found.
FATAL: Error inserting i8042 (/lib
On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 14:24 -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
I can confirm this problem (finish install doesn't finish the
install - just flashes the screen and returns to the main menu) when
installing on a PowerMac G4.
I saw it when installing directly from the June 12 jigdo DVD. I
.
Rick
On Jun 14, 2006, at 8:06 AM, Jeffrey B. Green wrote:
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INSTALL REPORT
Debian-installer-version: 12 Jun 06 - testing (etch) jigdo cd(#1)
uname -a: Linux naro 2.6.15-1-powerpc #2 Mon Mar 6 12:39:17 CET
2006 ppc GNU/Linux
Date: 13 Jun 06
Method: How did you
*. If
it makes us angry, it's *not* fun.
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Booted direct from daily netinst CD
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the output (called
ash_dmesg_output in the top level) of dmesg run from the ash
shell I get dropped into. At least that doesn't contain any
potential typos, since I didn't type it.
Hopefully!
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possible interrupts
PID hash table entries: 2048 (order: 11, 32768 bytes)
GMT Delta read from XPRAM: -240 minutes, DST: on
time_init: decrementer frequency = 16.708033 MHz
time_init: processor frequency = 300.69 MHz
MMU:exit
Then it hangs.
Any help will be appreciated!
Thanks,
Rick
PS
On Jun 6, 2006, at 3:46 AM, Sven Luther wrote:
Rick, can you send us a list of the dpkg -l of this system, and
check exactly
what did happen during the kernel installation. If you can provide
us all the
logs of the installation, or can do another one, it would be welcome.
Friendly,
Sven
On Jun 6, 2006, at 6:18 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
On Jun 6, 2006, at 3:46 AM, Sven Luther wrote:
Rick, can you send us a list of the dpkg -l of this system, and
check exactly
what did happen during the kernel installation. If you can provide
us all the
logs of the installation, or can do
On Jun 6, 2006, at 5:40 PM, Frans Pop wrote:
(removing all irrelevant CCs; please respect the reply-to)
On Tuesday 06 June 2006 12:18, Rick Thomas wrote:
OK, they are here:
http://www.rcthomas.org/~rbthomas/logfiles/
As there is absolutely no mention of 2.6.8 in this installation
On Jun 6, 2006, at 6:35 PM, Sven Luther wrote:
On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 06:29:10PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
It's an oldworld Mac (beige G3) and I use MacOS-9/BootX as the
bootloader, so I skipped the install quik bootloader step during
the install (used continue without bootloader). That's
On Jun 6, 2006, at 3:46 AM, Sven Luther wrote:
reassign 370418 base-installer
thanks
On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 01:46:02AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
reassign 370418 initramfs-tools
thanks
On Monday 05 June 2006 09:13, Rick Thomas wrote:
Begin: Mounting root file system ... ...
Begin: Running
Package: debian-installer
Installing from the Debian testing beta2 netinst image on a beige G3
oldworld PowerPC Mac, using the BootX bootloader from MacOS9...
Everything went just fine until it came time to reboot. (copied by
hand from the screen, so forgive any inaccuracies!):
Begin:
Good! It looks like whatever it was got fixed.
Thanks!
Rick
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Same thing happens with the latest powerpc etch snapshot on a
NewWorld Mac (the latest snapshot won't load at all on my OldWorld Mac)
Rick
process is broken and ought to be fixed.
Rick
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messages) and it hangs.
Is the ATI video driver compiled into the kernel on this CD?
Any help will be appreciated...
Thanks!
Rick
PS: Below is the output of lspci from this machine with sarge on it...
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:00:00.0 0600: 1057:0002 (rev 40)
:00
on a problem they encountered.
The solution to insufficient person power is to recruit more
developers. Developers start out as users, just like everybody else.
Chasing away users who are trying to be helpful is the exact opposite
of recruiting.
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switch and donate the old one to a museum somewhere...
Enjoy!
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Take a look in
http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/spellcheck/level1/latest/nozip/vi_all.txt
There's a line with 24 of them in it that looks like this:
- Việt\t\t\t\tAnh\t\t\tGiá trị giao
diện\t\tinterface
Hope that helps!
Rick
On Apr 17, 2006, at 9:58 PM, Clytie Siddall
remember seeing this problem.
Rick
On Apr 2, 2006, at 1:53 AM, Christian Perrier wrote:
(resending this mail which I originally sent to the wrong address)
We (D-I team) have an old bug lying in kbd-chooser bug log for
Oldworld Powermac installs:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug
remember seeing this problem.
Rick
On Apr 1, 2006, at 11:21 AM, Christian Perrier wrote:
We (D-I team) have an old bug lying in kbd-chooser bug log for
Oldworld Powermac installs:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=269653
Given that kbd-chooser and the installer have changed a lot
is not intended to find repositories on CDROM, but only
on
network mirrors.
Would it be difficult to have it offer a CD-ROM option as well as the
usual network mirrors?
Rick
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it as additional swap space after rebooting from the flash.
It's complicated, but -- would that work? I suspect it could be
completely automated if you need it to be.
Rick
On Mar 22, 2006, at 1:37 PM, Frans Pop wrote:
On Wednesday 22 March 2006 18:17, Patrick Nomblot wrote:
I 'm really
On Mar 22, 2006, at 3:08 PM, Frans Pop wrote:
On Wednesday 22 March 2006 20:48, Rick Thomas wrote:
On Mar 22, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Frans Pop wrote:
On Wednesday 22 March 2006 16:16, Matheus Morais wrote:
The d-i firsts steps of installation proccess are working well but
in choose-mirror part
I've often wished there were such a task/configuration. It's useful
for servers that normally operate without a keyboard or screen -- so I
can ssh in and run things like xterm and a browser there when I need
to.
Rick
On Mar 16, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Christian Perrier wrote:
Standard
I have a box with a dead CD drive and I would like to install Sarge on
it. How can I add pppoe to the net install floppies?
rick
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are friendly... (-8)
Friendly,
Sven Luther
Enjoy!
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On Nov 13, 2004, at 8:44 AM, Sven Luther wrote:
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 04:54:46PM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote:
I got a chance to do an install from your mini.iso on a test machine.
It's a G4 350 MHz (AGP graphics). I'm not clear as to whether this
will install your test yaboot or not, but here's
I was going to wait until I could try it with a normal image. I
assume that this means I would not have encountered this problem then.
So should I submit a bug report against monolithic, or is it a known
problem -- bug report would be redundant?
Rick
On Nov 15, 2004, at 11:17 AM, Colin Watson
On Nov 15, 2004, at 12:41 PM, Sven Luther wrote:
On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 12:29:09PM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote:
I was going to wait until I could try it with a normal image. I
assume that this means I would not have encountered this problem then.
So should I submit a bug report against monolithic
On Nov 10, 2004, at 6:01 AM, Sven Luther wrote:
On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 03:46:58AM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote:
The new yaboot seems to work at least on one of my machines. I'll
try some others later.
Specifically, I tried it on my BlueWhite G3. I booted holding
down the C key (ADB keyboard
of putting up with all the model specific
quirks of quik -- there's no way to avoid using the MacOS disk
partitioning utility at least once to install the driver/patch
partitions on a disk if you intend to boot Linux from that disk.
Enjoy!
Rick
PS -- I'll leave the question of what all this means
only to OldWorld Macs. On NewWorld
Macs, Apple requires all add-in cards that want to support booting to
do so by having a hunk of ROM on the card that extends the Apple Open
Firmware with commands for booting from that card.
Enjoy!
Rick
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a standard install).
It's definitely worth the trouble to get hold of a MacOS 8.5 - 9.1 CD
and install it -- just for the convenience factor.
My two cents,
Rick
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On Saturday, October 30, 2004, at 06:07 AM, Sebastiaan Molenaar wrote:
On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 06:54, Rick Thomas wrote:
snip /snip
ROM compatible disk and CD drivers. b) They can put up with the
vagaries of Open firmware and quik for their particular hardware.
snip /snip
Personally, I think
to keep and use floppies, and
replace them when they wear out) and living with your principles.
Hope this helps!
Rick
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On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 12:50 PM, Brad Boyer wrote:
On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 03:50:31AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
I may be mistaken, but I believe that snip...
Well, it's not really that simple. I'll try to explain as I go
along in the message. snip...
Thanks Brad! the extra detail
On Wednesday, October 27, 2004, at 07:44 AM, Wouter Hanegraaff wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 10:33:45AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
As I've said before, if you can afford the disk space (big IDE
disks are cheap) the boot loader that I suggest as being most
robust and flexible is MacOS
On Wednesday, October 27, 2004, at 11:04 AM, Wouter Hanegraaff wrote:
On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 01:44:06PM +0200, Wouter Hanegraaff wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 10:33:45AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
As I've said before, if you can afford the disk space (big IDE
disks are cheap) the boot loader
is released.
Enjoy!
Rick
debian:~# mac-fdisk -l
/dev/hdc
#type name length
base ( size ) system
/dev/hdc1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63 @
1 ( 31.5k) Partition map
/dev/hdc2 Apple_Driver43
can get a kernel with an optimized set of drivers built-in that
will still fit on a floppy. It's worth a try!
Have fun!
Rick
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the whole of phase1 (possibly multiple times)
and get on to testing phase2 stuff sooner.
Enjoy!
Rick
On Friday, October 22, 2004, at 04:51 PM, Jaonary Rabarisoa wrote:
Hi all,
I'm going to clean my hard drive and re-install all my system. I have a
powerpc based computer and I will put mac os x
On Thursday, October 21, 2004, at 11:23 AM, Duane Cottle wrote:
Hey all,
Trying to see what's on the 2.6 root.img, I've been unsuccessful
mounting it as loop or the actual floppy.
What filesystem type is it? I figured it was ext2, but mount says it's
not.
I've tried cramfs, hfs, hfsplus, but it's
args?
That would give me a straightforward way of setting the kernel
arguments without having to make my own boot floppies.
What do you think?
Rick
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From: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat Oct 16, 2004 05:12:16 AM US/Eastern
To: Rick Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Duane Cottle [EMAIL PROTECTED], debian-
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sven
Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re
.
Hi Duane,
I'm forwarding this to Sven Luther, who generates the floppy images in
question. I'm also forwarding this to the debian-boot list, where
there are other folks besides Sven who may be able to help.
Enjoy!
Rick
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On Tuesday, October 5, 2004, at 08:11 PM, Sven Luther wrote:
On Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 07:57:20PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
The IDE controller that isn't working for Rick is driven by the
aec62xx
driver, off the PCI bus. This driver *is* in the appropriate udebs and
*is* being loaded in the floppy
needed such a warning too. Admittedly that was a fair
while ago, and the situation may have improved.
In any case, I'd be inclined to put it on *all* versions of the
manual, even i386. It tells folks where to go to get the latest
version. That's always a good idea.
Enjoy!
Rick
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that isn't working for Rick is driven by the aec62xx
driver, off the PCI bus. This driver *is* in the appropriate udebs and
*is* being loaded in the floppy build, but the IDE devices attached to
it are not being detected. Search for Probing in the logs and you'll
see what I mean.
It looks to me as if ide
!
Rick
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image
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pretty well -- modulo a few small
glitches that are likely to be architecture non-specific, so need
no special pleading from me.
Thanks!
Rick
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pre-rc2 businesscard CD
=
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error message screen --
give folks a little time to read what's going on.
Rick
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JJ=$(basename $II '.img')
echo Please label as $JJ
done
It's invoked as (for example):
makefloppy boot.img root.img net-drivers.img
Enjoy!
Rick
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On Thursday, September 30, 2004, at 12:11 AM, Duane Cottle wrote:
Hi Rick,
Sure does. I spent five hours reading your posts since March today.
I take that as the highest of compliments. (-8) Thank you, sir!
It's
already saved me a lot of trouble testing this stuff. Been working with
boot floppies
, or a feature?
Enjoy!
Rick
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someone say that MacOS-X doesn't need these
driver partitions. I don't know for sure.
Hope this helps!
Rick
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I'd be perfectly happy (personally) if it only worked in 2.6.
However, I believe that Sarge d-i has, as one of it's goals, to
support both 2.4 and 2.6. Does anybody else on the list know for
sure?
Rick
On Tuesday, September 28, 2004, at 06:21 AM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
On Mon, Sep 27, 2004
(which requires a bootable Mac OS
installation) or quik (which must deal with the buggy firmware of that era).
Sadly true!
regards,
Holger
Enjoy!
Rick
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in the manual as well.
Glad to help!
http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/
Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_7.5_Version_7.5.3/
Be careful of URL-wrap-syndrome!
Enjoy!
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. Specifically, the System file is zero length. This is
true of both boot and ofonlyboot for both 2.4 and 2.6. It won't
boot that way.
Enjoy!
Rick
PS -- In case it matters, here's where I got the images...
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On Monday, September 27, 2004, at 04:40 PM, Joey Hess wrote:
Rick Thomas wrote:
I've submitted several bug reports on this topic. The developers
know about it, and may fix it sometime. It's not as easy to fix as
it sounds, because the mesh controller is not on the regular PCI
bus, so the normal
that in place of
/dev//part6. Shell auto-completion is your friend here!
note 3: BootX gives you a variety of places to put your kernels
and initial ramdisk images. I've used the folder-names that I
chose when I was getting started. You should use your own choice,
of course.
Enjoy!
Rick
On Sunday
. The developers
know about it, and may fix it sometime. It's not as easy to fix as
it sounds, because the mesh controller is not on the regular PCI
bus, so the normal hardware discovery programs never get a chance
to see it.
Enjoy!
Rick
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On Saturday, September 25, 2004, at 04:13 AM, Colin Watson wrote:
On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 01:50:34AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
ROOT-2) The root-2 floppy is a bunch of udebs for all the
components that wouldn't fit on root. [This is a good design,
but it requires that root have everything needed
for things. We were just being
inefficient,
that's all.
Glad to hear that you can free up space and still maintain
functionality. I look forward to seeing the result!
Enjoy!
Rick
PS - I've often wondered if things would be simpler (maybe *much*
simpler) if the floppy-boot process just assumed
debugging
when all else has failed.
Enjoy!
Rick
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