Bug#384323: Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-28 Thread Christian Perrier
How much of localechooser's finish-install script really needs to run at the very end? Could some/all/the problimatic bits be moved to a base-installer.d hook, where they would happen before console-cryillic is installed? Interesting question. We currently have: -install libfribidi0 for RTL

Bug#384323: Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-27 Thread Joey Hess
Christian Perrier wrote: Indeed, they are. Localechooser's finish-install does so but, from Eugenyi explanations, it indeed overwrites the defaults set by the console-cyrillic package itself. Indeed, I see two ways to go: -remove console-cyrillic for Russian and do just like we do for

Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-26 Thread Christian Perrier
Just FYI. D-Link DSL-200 (rev.B1) was distributed for free _as officially supported modem_ for new ADSL users during the last months by one popular ADSL provider in Saint-Petersburg and suburbia. So, I think several thousands of users are currently using it here. Of course most of them work

Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-26 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 26, Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it's still time to try working to support such modems from the installer, through the ppp-udeb and all that kind of stuff. It's not practical. Either it can work in the installer without fiddling or it's easier for the user to install

Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-25 Thread Christian Perrier
As for clock, I think you didn't get my point. I don't complain about what installed system thought of my clock (whether they were set to UTC or local time). I just want to say that hardware clock must have not been changed in any case without reliable response from NTP server. Debian has to

Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-25 Thread Christian Perrier
I guess I didn't, if I understood your question correctly. In other words I used non-localised D-I interface. So, your suggestion becomes to install stuff to support the rendering of cyrillic at the console when one selects the Russian keymap. That would actually mean a major design change in

Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-25 Thread Dmitry Semyonov
Christian, On 8/25/06, Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, in an idealistic world. But we even don't have the needed manpower to process issues that really pertain to the installer so, except when issues are obviously identifiable (see above), we cannot really make the very hard

Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-25 Thread Dmitry Semyonov
Marco, On 8/25/06, Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 24, Dmitry Semyonov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, it's not very hard to install using an USB DSL modem after base has been installed, look at the instructions at http://dsl.linux.it/DebianNetinstall . The most common modems

Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-25 Thread Dmitry Semyonov
Christian, On 8/25/06, Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In other words I used non-localised D-I interface. So, your suggestion becomes to install stuff to support the rendering of cyrillic at the console when one selects the Russian keymap. [...] So, I really think that we will

Bug#384323: Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-24 Thread Stanislav Maslovski
Hello, On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 11:55:44PM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: [ ... ] I'm yelling right now because I'm quite angry. We put a lot of efforts to allow you guys having an installer translated in all your languages and such negligence is really desperating. This sounds like you

Bug#384323: Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-24 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Stanislav Maslovski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Hello, On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 11:55:44PM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: [ ... ] I'm yelling right now because I'm quite angry. We put a lot of efforts to allow you guys having an installer translated in all your languages and such

Bug#384323: Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-24 Thread Stanislav Maslovski
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 10:35:13AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: [ ... ] Because the bug _is_ noticed now it is better to think of how to solve it instead of yelling. Eugeniy has actually proposed some ways how to do it. I hope you understand that this problem is common for all languages

Bug#384323: Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-24 Thread Igor Zubarev
Sorry for newb question.Is it possible to have good and readable russian fonts without console-cyrillic in Debian?-- Igor Zubarev

Bug#384323: Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-24 Thread Christian Perrier
I see. Personally, I also do not use console-cyrillic in my russian installations. The console-tools package has a set of russian fonts and keymaps I am pretty satisfied with. So, perhaps, one solution is to make console-cyrillic optional and remove it from tasks or whatever place Maybe, yes.

Bug#384323: Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-24 Thread Max Dmitrichenko
it is mentioned in the installer. But then /etc/console/boottime.keymap.gz and /etc/console-tools/config should be configured properly with a certain tool. I am not experienced with the details of how the installer works, so Indeed, they are. Localechooser's finish-install does so but,

Bug#384323: Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-24 Thread Christian Perrier
AFAIK, console-cyrillic is just a set of cyrillic fonts, keymaps and a script to tie them up. One thing to mention is that keymap is generated dynamically by the script from a base keymap and a chosen method of layout switching. That's all. Dunno. kbd development seems pretty stucked...and

Bug#384323: Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-24 Thread Dmitry Semyonov
Christian, On 8/24/06, Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Dmitry, also, for reporting this bug. There's at least one Russian user who uses D-I in his own language I consider this bug makes D-I currently not releasable with Russian activated. Let me clarify one thing. I

Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-24 Thread Dmitry Semyonov
Eugeniy, On 8/23/06, Eugeniy Meshcheryakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 23 серпня 2006 о 10:03 +0200 Christian Perrier написав(-ла): I selected Russian key-map during installation, but looks like Russian font was not installed (or properly configured). Therefore, switching to Russian in

Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-24 Thread Dmitry Semyonov
Christian, On 8/23/06, Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CC'ing this also to Marco, current eciadsl maintainer. Marco, just skip to first mention of eciadsl. I think you should be informed as well. Despite the fact that network was not configured and there was no way to get

Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-24 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 24, Dmitry Semyonov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What could be done here? eciadsl (is this the only available package for USB DSL modems?) + pppoe + dependencies should be included on netinst CD. eciadsl documentation should be improved, and D-I should detect DSL modems automatically.

Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-23 Thread Christian Perrier
Thanks for your detailed report. Despite the fact that network was not configured and there was no way to get accurate time from ntp server, and despite UTC=no setting in /etc/default/rcS, d-i changed hardware clock to a wrong value (a few hours ahead), although the clock was set correctly

Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-23 Thread Eugeniy Meshcheryakov
clone 384248 -1 reassing -1 localechooser retitle -1 localechooser: Should not overwrite console-cyrillic configuration thanks 23 серпня 2006 о 10:03 +0200 Christian Perrier написав(-ла): I selected Russian key-map during installation, but looks like Russian font was not installed (or

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2006-08-23 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
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2006-08-23 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
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Bug#384323: Bug#384248: installation-report: Almost successful Etch installation with di-beta3

2006-08-23 Thread Christian Perrier
severity 384323 important thanks Quoting Eugenyi Meshcheryakov analyzing a bug report about broken installer in Russian: I tried default installation in Russian (RF) in qemu with network off, and console-cyrillic was installed. There was also dialogs displayed by console-cyrillic after